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Abhinandan was released on massive Indian pressure of war: Ayaz Sadiq Claims

Some one just deleted my post containing this news, here i post agaian....


Question is, who in Pakistan decided that, 2 is enough? specially when 9 more were locked!

I am on the record to say that from day one. If 9 jets were shot down, Indian's would have suffered such a set back that it would have been difficult for them to come out of it.

Secondly, their reputation would have suffered worldwide, which they couldn't have recovered.
Who in his right mind give advantage or show mercy to its enemies!! The one who has broken you in to two and still say that Baluchistan would leave Pakistan.
Daft, absolutely daft.
 
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On Wednesday, during the National Assembly proceedings, former NA Speaker and a Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz MNA, Ayaz Sadiq, referred to the circumstances in which India’s downed and captured pilot, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, was presumably returned.

Before I get to Sadiq’s statement, let me point out that he was nowhere in the decision-making loop. He was present in a meeting called to brief a group of parliamentarians representing all the parties in NA regarding Pakistan’s decision to return the downed pilot. Since I was not in that meeting, even though I have spoken to sources who know what transpired there, I will not comment on Sadiq’s statement in the videoclip that has gone viral and predictably picked up and hyped by the Indian media. What I will say, however, is that the decision was taken, after Pakistan showed the resolve to strike back, to signal to the world that (a) it does not want to escalate, but (b) it will retaliate if India chose to escalate.

I have written about this before, but let me recap some fundamental points:

a: After the Pulwama attack, based on statements from India, the BJP’s electioneering slogans and intelligence reports, Pakistan had warned relevant world capitals that India was planning to aggress against Pakistan. They were also told that while Pakistan did not want a conflict, in the event that India resorted to hostile action, Pakistan would not have any option but to go for quid pro quo-plus. Those warnings, unfortunately, weren’t heeded.

b: This changed when India attacked a seminary on the morning of February 26. Washington tried to convince Pakistan to not retaliate since no damage had been caused by the Indian aerial attack. Western capitals had chosen to side with India. Pakistan refused to stay quiet.

c: The Indian Air Force expected retaliation and flew combat air patrol through the evening and intervening night of February 26/27. On the Pakistani side, Pakistan Air Force was given the task to draw up the plan for a counter-strike and execute it. Initially, PAF had decided to strike four targets for a kill but were asked to only go for a show of resolve in order for the operational plan to remain dovetailed with the overall strategy of resolve but restraint. This was also important, at the early stage of conflict, to put the onus of escalation on India.

d: The PAF strike package executed Op Swift Retort on the morning of February 27. One MiG 21 was a certain kill with the pilot captured while a Su30MKI sustained damage and probably went down somewhere in Occupied Kashmir. Earlier, as per the final plan, the PAF fighter jets struck close to the selected targets but did not go for a kill. The action also showed India that Pakistan would not be deterred.


e: That evening, the R&AW chief spoke with then-DG-ISI and reportedly said that India would retaliate with a missile strike on nine targets. He was told that such an action would invite a Pakistani missile counterstrike. These facts have already been reported and are in the public domain. India was also in communication with the United States and the latter, through former US National Security Advisor, John Bolton, was trying to defuse the situation.

f: Pakistan had prepared for an Indian missile attack. As Prime Minister Imran Khan also said in the NA (and later reports corroborated his statement), India had prepared to launch an attack between 2100 and 2200 hours on February 27.

g: A combination of factors got into play: Pakistan’s resolve to strike back and fire three missiles for every one Indian missile strike against targets in Pakistan; Washington’s hectic diplomacy at that point (it had earlier thought that India would draw blood and Pakistan would be hard pressed to respond); the involvement of other state actors, including China and the United Arab Emirates, and Pakistan’s decision to debrief the captured pilot and return him.

[NB: Since memories are short, let me remind the readers that Pakistan had also returned one of the captured Indian pilots, Flight-Lieutenant Nachiketa Rao, during the Kargil conflict while the other pilot, Squadron-Leader Ajay Ahuja got killed after bailing out.]

h: India’s February 27 threat to resort to missile strikes clearly showed that after the PAF action on the morning of February 27, the Indian Air Force could not deliver a counter-punch which, theoretically, necessitated a destabilising action. Pakistan communicated its response to such an action, forcing India to calculate the cost of escalation. Corollary: the PAF had carried the day.

i: India’s threat and Pakistan’s response showed the perilous and flawed premise on which India’s limited, swift war concept is based. Exchange of missiles between a nuclear dyad is a big No. There’s no way that the threatened can figure out whether the threatener is using conventional warheads on its missiles. In the heat and din of a conflict, the threatened can neither afford to fail-deadly (retaliate to a conventional strike by a nuclear one) or fail-impotent (get decimated by a nuclear strike). Corollary: the chances of failing-deadly increase manifold.

This is a bird’s-eye view of the chain of events. The real issue, which necessitated this recap, is the absolutely irresponsible statement made by Sadiq, first on the floor of the House and then reinforcing the original stupidity by putting out a clarification (through a videoclip).

Sadiq has been the speaker of the House. He is generally considered to be an equable person. Those who have been in public office, or at any point were entrusted with positions in the strategic decision-making chain, bear a very heavy cross: it’s called responsibility. Politics rotates; today’s opposition is tomorrow’s government and vice versa. In government, many positions and offices are privy to very sensitive information. People in such positions are considered adults and the information they come across and the decisions they make are a trust. That trust belongs to the state; neither to any political party nor to the partisan-political side of a government. Politicking belongs in a different domain.

I don’t know whether Sadiq strayed across the line inadvertently or was made to cross that line, but frankly that does not matter. If the first, he has no reason in the future to be entrusted with public office; if the second, then the PMLN seems to have decided that if it can’t be in the Penthouse, it will dynamite the entire condo.

What is even more surprising is the fact that the PMLN leadership, to the best of my knowledge (I hope I am wrong), has issued no statement condemning, unequivocally, Sadiq’s egregious blabbering.

The military round in February 2019 was won squarely by PAF. Everyone, from those on the ground to the pilots in the air, fought for Pakistan, the state. They were neither fighting for the PTI nor the PMLN and certainly not for blathering, partisan cretins.

In his clarification, Sadiq spoke about how the Indian media has twisted his words. What did he expect when he crossed the line from partisan politics to affairs of the state. Is he telling us that he had no idea that the Indian media would pick up his reckless words, that he is the personification of Hanlon’s razor? Worse, that he didn’t know the damage he would cause both to the deterrence trajectory and strategic signalling.

And if we do accept Hanlon’s razor in his case, what’s the lesson here? Strategy Street is not for jaywalking.


Sir, since you have put your professional weight behind this article, I would like to engage you in conversation.

The events surrounding and linked with Feb 27 can be divided into two categories: those that show Pakistan's clear victory, and those that show Pakistan's abject failure. The success has been recently re-iterated by the DG ISPR. Let me revisit our failures.

When you achieve a clear aerial superiority over your enemy, you use this advantageous position to further your own vested interests. Pakistan's vested interests were a peaceful South Asia and end of occupation of Kashmir. We all understand that these objectives can be achieved if we prevail upon the battlefield against our enemy. But for many reasons we do not initiate a battle. Feb 27 represents an opportunity where the enemy had started the battle, and we had achieve technological superiority over him. As Pakistanis, we expected our leaders - Bajwa and Khan - to further our vested interests. Instead, treason was committed against the vested interests of Pakistan, and the story of this treason starts with the release of Abhinandan on shady grounds.

Instead of declaring that India has started a war and it is now India's responsibility to end it by sitting on the negotiation table and agreeing to Pakistan's demands, and using Abhinandan as a tool of political pressure on the Modi government, we turned our success into defeat by giving space and oxygen to Modi so he can not only claim victory, but also win the next elections. The treason continued with letting the Indian submarine escape, and then the Prime Minister of Pakistan making excuses for Modi's behavior as a mere electioneering gimmick. The Prime Minister of Pakistan acted as Modi's personal PR assistant to help him win the election. This is an abject failure of leadership which in civilized societies would lead to a disgraceful exit for the leader. But in Pakistan, we are neither civilized nor graceful, so we don't understand when someone stands in utter disgrace. Imran Khan's very face is blackened by his treason, and it is only traitors and fools who proudly declare him their leader.

But the sordid saga of treason doesn't end here even. Pakistan had every right and opportunity to make a case in the United Nations Security Council against India. But instead of using every forum to pressurize India, the right to protest was literally laughed away by launching superfluous proceedings about fallen trees. On the other hand, during those same times, India, America, Britain, and France joined together to pressurize us in FATF.

I ask you, is this all random, or do we at least give our enemies America, Britain, and France enough respect to accept that they are meticulous planners? So then, I would like to invite your attention towards the fact that the traitor Imran Khan Niazi was involved in removing China's blockage of Maulana Masood Azhar as a global terrorist. This same traitor went to Iran and was on record saying 'Yes, we have terrorists in Pakistan'. I invite your attention to Hina Rabbani Khar's response in which the ex-Foreign Minister lambasted Khan's action.

And so, Pakistan's clear victory was turned into a defeat which continues to this day by the removal of Article 370, and now Indian attempts to change the very demographics of Kashmir. It then pains us Pakistanis to see army leadership defending these traitors.
 
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I am on the record to say that from day one. If 9 jets were shot down, Indian's would have suffered such a set back that it would have been difficult for them to come out of it.

Secondly, their reputation would have suffered worldwide, which they couldn't have recovered.
Who in his right mind give advantage or show mercy to its enemies!! The one who has broken you in to two and still say that Baluchistan would leave Pakistan.
Daft, absolutely daft.

It was obvious to you... to few other posters here, but at the same time there was a gang who was selling this nation an imminent Indian retaliation.
So what... should a true man become afraid and sit in house, in the face of an armed enemy?
Being pussy is not the culture of Lahore.... but it's right of all nation, to know the name of IG of pussies.
 
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So this means he's openly black mailing... to expose even more cowardice.
Why FIR brigade is selective in action?
On serious note... you don't need to tell us what twist to believe or not.
For me the issue is not complicated, it's as clear as 1+1=2
Neither regime neither PMLN should hide any thing... it's about time, all parties answer all the inconceivable that went around following the hit to Indian mig-21. incl. the idea of tea.
What will be most unacceptable, some civilian holding on to permission of shooting 9 more Indian jets.
 
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One thing is for sure, PMLN folks truly have no idea of anything military. Even on this board. :)

ROEs for an engagement aren’t decided once you’re up in the air and facing off an enemy. It’s done beforehand.

And even when digressed, like in the case of Su-30 shot, it was done for a very specific reason. I’d have considered most of these as childish arguments but they’re absolutely sinister, even on this board - trying to portray PAF as an unprofessional force, cooking up ROEs once they’re up in air.
 
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@CriticalThought what ever transpired in operation swift retort was unexpected, specially those who would brag about SU-30 in comparison to jF-17.
I always opposed them, but the out come was unbelievable for me and i trust also for the pilots of PAF.
I can say with full conviction, what ever happened on the eventful morning wasn't possible without divine help.
It was a God given opportunity to resolve Indo-Pak dispute without spilling much blood, sacrifice of life of Indian CoAS and few SU pilots was acceptable to me, in front of the greater cause.
Expect the next war to be bloody, as all of west and Iran will support India. While Pakistan would need a solid reason for military action and nothing gets more solid than India violating Pakistani territory and tried to bombed school of Quran learning children.
All these years we spent $ billions on army, just to exploit one God given opportunity but on the given day we started to dream of noble prize, instead of thinking of the forth coming miseries of our Kashmiri brothers and totally forgot the sufferings we had in WoT founded by axis of evil.
 
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One thing is for sure, PMLN folks truly have no idea of anything military. Even on this board. :)

ROEs for an engagement aren’t decided once you’re up in the air and facing off an enemy. It’s done beforehand.

And even when digressed, like in the case of Su-30 shot, it was done for a very specific reason. I’d have considered most of these as childish arguments but they’re absolutely sinister, even on this board - trying to portray PAF as an unprofessional force, cooking up ROEs once they’re up in air.

The Rumor is Sq.Hassan were very passionate (fought with his GIBS AVM) to get the permission for that SU-30 Short , any truth to the rumor ?
 
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The Rumor is Sq.Hassan were very passionate (fought with his GIBS AVM) to get the permission for that SU-30 Short , any truth to the rumor ?
No. ROEs were clear to protect our package. Took his shot cos he felt it was necessary. Yes, there was a lot of paperwork once on ground to explain his shot.
 
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The Rumor is Sq.Hassan were very passionate (fought with his GIBS AVM) to get the permission for that SU-30 Short , any truth to the rumor ?
If true.. he should be awarded 'Nishan e Haider'.
While the one who steered away his weapon from a possible India weapon depot, should be sent on long leave.
No. ROEs were clear to protect our package. Took his shot cos he felt it was necessary. Yes, there was a lot of paperwork once on ground to explain his shot.
This part was missing from airforce day debriefing to the wider world.
 
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Former speaker national assembly has made bombshell revelation today that Indian captive pilot Abhinandan was immediately released on massive Indian pressure of war.

Regardless of this claim is true or not, should such national secrets be revealed in public on floor of the assembly?

@Areesh @PakSword @Horus @Joe Shearer

In one fell swoop Ayaz has reduced IK, Qureshi, Bajwa to powerless caricatures. :sad: Even worse, Pak awam to their dismay discovering their armed forces has feet of clay.:o:
 
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They didn't mishandle it one bit IMO

It was a good move to release the pilot, he had no value to Pakistan because he cannot be interrogated like Kulboshan can because the Geneva Conventions apply to a POW. Frustrations and tensions were high on the Indian side that despite having a military budget 10X Pakistan's, the PAF had absolutely decimated the IAF.

Thus, it was a good decision by Pakistan to release the pilot because frankly he had no value for Pakistan and it was a good face saving for the Modi Government because they were absolutely desperate to show some sort of win to their local populace. Modi had promised his electorate that he will implement a Israeli style domination on Pakistan, when that couldn't happen he was able to give solace to his voters that he was able to get the pilot released. The pilot was only a burden that had to be fed, clothed, bathed and kept under a constant watch.

it was a wise decision :D
In one fell swoop Ayaz has reduced IK, Qureshi, Bajwa to powerless caricatures. :sad: Even worse, Pak awam to their dismay discovering their armed forces has feet of clay.:o:

very true.:D
In one fell swoop Ayaz has reduced IK, Qureshi, Bajwa to powerless caricatures. :sad: Even worse, Pak awam to their dismay discovering their armed forces has feet of clay.:o:

very true.:D
 
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No, all it has done is exposed the traitors who want to do propaganda on behalf of Modi's government in India.
And still Pmln is here to stay as political power for God knows how many years
 
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And still Pmln is here to stay as political power for God knows how many years
It is for the people to decide if they want to go back to the government which is what made Pakistan what it is today or remain patient and let natural progression towards growth take place.
 
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