1. I've no idea, one would need detailed information of the local area (and experience managing brigades) to figure out assembly areas. Detraining at Hyderabad for now (and Pano Aqil).
2. A thorough intelligence and recon is needed to envisage real threats at the border at this stage. Is it only BSF? Are regulars present? In what numbers and where? How far away are reinforcements and larger Indian formations?
Okay I will slow down a bit more but it becomes a bit more boring (I understand real military planning requires every nitty gritty dealt with, we do the same in business school in something we call business plans). But such requires access to a wide sort and experience, and ability to to be on the ground in these places... so it becomes a fruitless exercise to get into the nitty gritty of it...
Now, the next stop would be to indicate where all forces are on a map, where the Rangers are and other units. And what preparations are needed to launch them across the border, who to share this information with (like PAF, air defense, civilian administration (?)).
Where are the CAS formations and how will they act. How is their deployment. How where the deployed. What about the logistics of keeping the forces supplied. How will air defense be provided for the theatre? How will air defense coordinate between PAF and PA AAA
For choosing what vectors will be attacked, again we would need knowledge of the terrain, knowledge of what is going on in the border areas (intelligence) while being mindful not to alert the enemy, recon. How units placed on pak side will traverse and launch their attack. What time will the attack take place. How would you negotiate the fence? (Blowing it up will make a lot of noise. Can wire cutters be used or not? ) All these questions would require expertise from a wide assortment of people. And tons of real life experience...
However, all these questions, answering them with any real meaning is impossible without having access to information I as a foreign civilian shouldn't have. Which makes them moot...
Your mistake Joe. There are no divisions in Bhuj. Prove us wrong.
Well, this is just a war game in internet space not real. If it were real I'd be glad to be a part of it (and serve in the front lines).
Thanks for an excellent post Joe. About tanks on roads - isn't that why Rooikat types make a lot of sense for the PA? Cheap, easy to mass produce. And works in this case better than MBTs.
1. I've no idea, one would need detailed information of the local area (and experience managing brigades) to figure out assembly areas. Detraining at Hyderabad for now (and Pano Aqil).
2. A thorough intelligence and recon is needed to envisage real threats at the border at this stage. Is it only BSF? Are regulars present? In what numbers and where? How far away are reinforcements and larger Indian formations?
Okay I will slow down a bit more but it becomes a bit more boring (I understand real military planning requires every nitty gritty dealt with, we do the same in business school in something we call business plans). But such requires access to a wide sort and experience, and ability to to be on the ground in these places... so it becomes a fruitless exercise to get into the nitty gritty of it...
Now, the next stop would be to indicate where all forces are on a map, where the Rangers are and other units. And what preparations are needed to launch them across the border, who to share this information with (like PAF, air defense, civilian administration (?)).
Where are the CAS formations and how will they act. How is their deployment. How where the deployed. What about the logistics of keeping the forces supplied. How will air defense be provided for the theatre? How will air defense coordinate between PAF and PA AAA
For choosing what vectors will be attacked, again we would need knowledge of the terrain, knowledge of what is going on in the border areas (intelligence) while being mindful not to alert the enemy, recon. How units placed on pak side will traverse and launch their attack. What time will the attack take place. How would you negotiate the fence? (Blowing it up will make a lot of noise. Can wire cutters be used or not? ) All these questions would require expertise from a wide assortment of people. And tons of real life experience...
However, all these questions, answering them with any real meaning is impossible without having access to information I as a foreign civilian shouldn't have. Which makes them moot...
Your mistake Joe. There are no divisions in Bhuj. Prove us wrong.
Well, this is just a war game in internet space not real. If it were real I'd be glad to be a part of it (and serve in the front lines).
Thanks for an excellent post Joe. About tanks on roads - isn't that why Rooikat types make a lot of sense for the PA? Cheap, easy to mass produce. And works in this case better than MBTs.
Hmm. There goes the MBT; '...alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well....'
Let's look at this issue from first principles:
- The quickest way to get the PBI from one map coordinate to another is by air, glider or transport aircraft;
- If that is ruled out, and roads exist, then by lorry or by motor-cycle; the Wehrmacht used this a lot;
- If that is ruled out, and no roads exist, then by some sort of multi-axle drive vehicle (4 wheel drive at the base level) or on foot;
- All these are vulnerable to rifle-fire; so we look at the next option, a vehicle with cross-country capability and some protection;
- An option for richly endowed forces is tracked vehicles, the APC or the IFV;
- The moment we put armour on a lorry, it becomes heavier and either slows down or needs a more powerful engine;
- The moment we put a more powerful engine in the vehicle, it guzzles fuel, sets up an additional trail of logistics, and creates more happy bulls-eyes for the wide-eyed breed of lunatics who fly planes around shooting up other people's property;
- The moment we put armour on a lorry, the adversary trades in his rifle for a heavier-calibre automatic weapon, probably a 12.7 mm or, worst case, an even bigger gun; let us not even think about Oerlikons and similar automatic cannons shooting 20 mm through to 40 mm;
- The moment the adversary starts shooting at us with this kind of grossly unsporting round, we have to add more armour; and 'Yup', we need to upgrade the engine; and, 'Yup', the quartermasters curse the designer under their breath;
You see the point? This keeps escalating back and forth between target and hunter.
Now, exactly the same spiral happens to armoured vehicles without soldiers inside. Shooting and casualties, heavier protection, heavier engine, heavier logistics burden, shooter upgrades his guns, heavier protection, heavier engine, heavier logistics burden, and the chain goes on.
The Rooikat was useful against guerrillas in the brush armed mainly with Kalashnikovs and fragmentation grenades; a few sophisticates lugged around light machine guns and mortars. In the battlefield that you are thinking about, it would last as long as it takes Major Chandpuri to swap places with Salman Khan. That is why you need an MBT, because the person getting irritated at your approach has the ordnance to blow up anything smaller.
A Rooikat will be as useful as an ATV.
Glad to get the privilige of your replies and guidance!
I am merely commenting on my intent.
I was merely commenting on your comment.
Sometimes the worst way is the best as its least expected. Signalian means differently from me, he is implying RYK to North-East, SE as I am. Which is what everybody knows that any future armored engagement will take place somewhere very roughly East of Multan. But that is where this strategy is dumb - India knows this and has well rehearsed its response.
If we have any kind of local air superiority, the desert will prove to be the best slaughterhouse of large Indian formations, specially if we can get them to move around a bit.
When Philip II of Macedon got irritated by the Spartans, he sent his ambassador along to read them the riot act.In a rousing speech, the ambassador wound up with the words,'.....and if our King decides to come here with his troops, there will not be one brick standing on another in Sparta! Take heed, you Ephors! Take heed, you of the Assembly!'
Then he sat down and awaited the Spartan speech in response.
The Spartans looked around among themselves with some evident confusion. Finally, one Ephor stood up, and faced the Ambassador, and said,"If."
Philip never got to Sparta.
As for what you have described, do go and watch the thoroughly egged up film named Border.
@PanzerKiel has already mentioned 22 Cavalry.
