A very powerful and influential religious minority in Pakistan is openly printing and distributing altered and wrong version of Quranic translation

[AlKardai]

So the bottom line, this religion is useless for us.

Pakistan, as a state on the basis of Islam, formed its ideology in the purest sense.

We are meant to be the truest representation of Islam, Compassion and generosity on the face of the Earth- coupled with Sheer faith in Allah

 

[VCheng]

We are meant to be the truest representation of Islam, Compassion and generosity on the face of the Earth- coupled with Sheer faith in Allah

Yes, the whole world can see that. Very clearly.

 

[SQ8]

"Western clothing" is the norm pretty much across the world.. Japan, China, around these parts and basically everywhere else.

Young people want to do their own thing, doesn't mean they're all degenerates.

or what, you one of those hardcore salafists or something ?

The question comes in what is “eastern clothing?”
Technically the clothing in Pakistan is all carried over from the region - shalwar kameez is derived from Persian - Punjab roots. That dress existed not just before Pakistan but derivatives of it existed before Islam.
So nothing Islamic in that.

The western dresses actually all derive from the Turkic traditions of pants and tunics. So technically whatever is western also has eastern roots.
That leaves the clothing of women/men which derives from the idea of pre Islamic arabian traditions that came from other religions as well in terms of covering of the head and body for modesty.

So other than some romanticized fools wanting to be “Islamic” by wearing a Jubba(that existed in semetic and desert tradition before Abrahamic religions came ) and hugging a date palm the only guidance in Islam is to be modest and not tempt anyone sexually.

Pakistan, as a state on the basis of Islam, formed its ideology in the purest sense.

We are meant to be the truest representation of Islam, Compassion and generosity on the face of the Earth- coupled with Sheer faith in Allah

If they were only meant to be decent human beings that would he a high bar for Pakistanis

 

[AlKardai]

If they were only meant to be decent human beings that would he a high bar for Pakistanis

Then we shall set the bar in the truest name of the religion, and act upon it ourselves.
The first step to changing the world, is changing ourselves

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Qadianis aren’t the only one, Shias also print their own Quranic translation.

Many books are available in Pakistan, Titled like Amil peer ky Qurani wazif, Qurani tawaz, Qurani duain and istakhary with twisted ayats from Quran along with shyateen names. Black magic in in disguise.

Recently I caught this book in my family, someone brought it from Pakistan. Guess what, some page were clearly point reader towards jadu toona.

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Publications of Quran should be licensed to vetted large publications houses. Anyone else caught printing full or in party should be prosecuted.

good man , the Original Quranic text must remain unchanged. period. there is no argument there because Allah Subhan Talah has taken responsibility of its protection.

Translation is open to interpretation and hence we have different schools of Jurisprudence as long as they not deviate with the subject mater and soul there is room within the confines of Basic faith. only Sunni Tafasir range in dozens .

on the light side if Shias only follow tafaseer of say Abul A'la Maududi (which I have) then they will be Sunni like you and I . within Sunni school of Jurisprudence great Muslim scholars of their times compiled Tafsirs in multiple languages including Arabic, perisan, Turk etc.

as for Ahmedis the discussion is irrelevant because of their denial of Finality of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH just negates everything they have to say about Islam.
their books and literature cant affect any true Muslim.

If they were only meant to be decent human beings that would he a high bar for Pakistanis

Big ask there. no risk in Pakistan to cross that bar.

 

[ziaulislam]

So the bottom line, this religion is useless for us.

Bottom line..there is not religion in Pakistan

So how can we figure out the usefullness for something that doesn't exist

I see more religion in west then in Pakistan

Now sure there is less alcohol more modesty but certainly not more religion

 

[epebble]

So the bottom line, this religion is useless for us.

No, Religion gives a lot of comfort, and meaning in life to many people. The proper way you might want to phrase your question is, is religion useful for running the government? Generally, that answer, in most part of the world, most of the time, is no. Architects of a State dream by introducing religion into government, angels will rule the state; but usually, the demons chase away the angels and make permanent home. The demons, in Pakistan's case, are the military.

 

[Mugen]

Bottom line..there is not religion in Pakistan

So how can we figure out the usefullness for something that doesn't exist

I see more religion in west then in Pakistan

Now sure there is less alcohol more modesty but certainly not more religion

True, there is no religion in Pakistan. But I disagree about the West, it isn't religion that has allowed the West to flourish, it is intelligence, organisation and a bunch of other fundamental qualities that supersede anything religion can bring, it seems our people lack these basics which renders them unable to follow even simple systems, let alone something as complicated as Islam.

No, Religion gives a lot of comfort, and meaning in life to many people. The proper way you might want to phrase your question is, is religion useful for running the government? Generally, that answer, in most part of the world, most of the time, is no. Architects of a State dream by introducing religion into government, angels will rule the state; but usually, the demons chase away the angels and make permanent home. The demons, in Pakistan's case, are the military.

Can't disagree, but sometimes truth is uncomfortable, but we should still acknowledge it.

 

[SQ8]

Then we shall set the bar in the truest name of the religion, and act upon it ourselves.
The first step to changing the world, is changing ourselves

Im doing it in a place where being a decent human being is not a way to be let down by society. Where gheebat isn’t commom nor nepotism and corruption - alhamdulillah it is easy to be a decent human being in the US

 

[TheSolution]

True, there is no religion in Pakistan. But I disagree about the West, it isn't religion that has allowed the West to flourish, it is intelligence, organisation and a bunch of other fundamental qualities that supersede anything religion can bring, it seems our people lack these basics which renders them unable to follow even simple systems, let alone something as complicated as Islam.

The rule of law, meritocracy and appreciation for talent/skill is what allows the west to flourish.

All things which are ignored in Pakistan or will only put you at a disadvantage in our society because no one plays by the rules. Trying to be a good person allows you to be trampled upon.

The demons, in Pakistan's case, are the military.

In a state with shaky fundamentals and instability like Pakistan, the military should have been serving as the "angels" in our case. But they just add to the demons.

10% actually doing what they're supposed to, 90% 'extracurricular' things like aiding smuggling, running DHA businesses and Papa John's...

 

[ThunderCat]

Who cares. Who's to claim the "right version" of the Quran considering it was written 11 years after Muhammed died? Who is to state there were elements left our or altered?

You change the sound of one letter and the whole word can change and the whole meaning can change. An entire book memorized by various people over the course of 11 years?

Follow what makes sense and leave the rest.
If it's not the case, then go ahead and ban the Hadiths as well.

There more we get into theistic religions or doctrines, the more dynamic they become.