A US-Vietnam Alliance? Not So Fast

[terranMarine]

What's matter, you Viets can bushiting on Chinese related subject and we should shut up in Vietnamese thread?

Looks like we hit the nerves of the "Prussian of SEA"

 

[ComradeNam]

Hahaha, Vietname is the Prussia of Asia? Where did those crazy Viets get that. In fact, Japan has been titled as the Prussia of Asia. But, the Japanese never saw themselves as Prussia, Brits, French or whatever of anyone, they are simply Japanese and pride themselves as such.

Only people with a strong inferiority complex have to project someone else on themselves.

I bet, none of these Viets really know the history and society of Prussia Germany. Saupreiß vietnamesischer.

You don't seem to get the point, like many Chinese here.

The title is not Vietnamese called to themselves, it is the western did.

Now take the two titles Prussian of Asia for Vietnamese and Sick Man of Asia for Chinese, the Chinese did not gain respect from the Western contradict to what the Chinese claim they were the victor of WWII

Similar to Israel of Asia for Vietnam, do you think we called ourselves that too?

 

[Viet]

Hahaha, Vietname is the Prussia of Asia? Where did those crazy Viets get that. In fact, Japan has been titled as the Prussia of Asia. But, the Japanese never saw themselves as Prussia, Brits, French or whatever of anyone, they are simply Japanese and pride themselves as such.

Only people with a strong inferiority complex have to project someone else on themselves.

I bet, none of these Viets really know the history and society of Prussia Germany. Saupreiß vietnamesischer.

Du bist voll mit Vorurteilen behaftet. Wenn du ein bisschen unvoreingenommen wärest und google, dann wirst du feststellen, dass das waren die Deutschen die uns so titulieren. Wir sind fleißig, intelligent und diszipliniert.

Vor allerdings Disziplin und Tapferkeit bringen uns dieser "Titel" ein, genau wie die Preussen früher inne hatten. Nicht wir ernennen uns selbst sondern die Deutschen. Heute gibt's kein Preussen mehr. Es sind wohl die Berliner, die die Fahnen hochhalten. Korrigiere mich wenn ich falsch sage.

Wo kommst du übrigens?

 

[Viet]

Looks like we hit the nerves of the "Prussian of SEA"

As long as you don't start with jungle, banana or monkey, it is ok. Or bride.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

You don't seem to get the point, like many Chinese here.

The title is not Vietnamese called to themselves, it is the western did.

Ups, it's about Korea
Die Preußen Asiens | WAZ.de

Or rather Japan?
SPIEGEL GESCHICHTEÂ 5/2011 -
Die Preußen Asiens

Sure, there are also articles about Vietnam being the Prussians of Asia. But neither Koreans nor Japanese would brag about this title in a forum.

Now take the two titles Prussian of Asia for Vietnamese and Sick Man of Asia for Chinese, the Chinese did not gain respect from the Western contradict to what the Chinese claim they were the victor of WWII

Not the Chinese claim, but it's accepted history, at least her in Germany.
Siegermacht – Wikipedia

Du bist voll mit Vorurteilen behaftet. Wenn du ein bisschen unvoreingenommen wärest und google, dann wirst du feststellen, dass das waren die Deutschen die uns so titulieren. Wir sind fleißig, intelligent und diszipliniert.

Vor allerdings Disziplin und Tapferkeit bringen uns dieser "Titel" ein, genau wie die Preussen früher inne hatten. Nicht wir ernennen uns selbst sondern die Deutschen. Heute gibt's kein Preussen mehr. Es sind wohl die Berliner, die die Fahnen hochhalten. Korrigiere mich wenn ich falsch sage.

Wo kommst du übrigens?

Keine Vorurteile, sondern gesunder Menschenverstand spielt bei mir die Hauptrolle. Ich kann Idiotie einfach nicht ab.

Ich bin ein echter Preiß.

 

[terranMarine]

i just google Israel of Asia and this is what i found
Jim Sleeper: Blame the Latest Israel-Arab War on... Singapore?

 

[mike2000]

well, it will be nice to see an alliance between Vietnam and the U.S. However i dont think/see that happening anytime soon. The main reason for this is that Vietnam is still very suspicious of U.S intentions(which i understand), since Vietnam is still a communist authoritarian country like its bigger Neighbour to the north unlike U.S democratic allies like philippines, in fact Vietnam is more similar/closer to China in its politcal system/policies/governance than any other country in the region/Asia. the VCP has been learning alot from its communist counterpart in China economic wise and adapting it to vietnam owns local realities/environment and there are also lots Politicans in VCP who are pro china and understand that they can't cut themselves off from a big country and neighbour like China despite the public resentment towards China. So this complicates matters
Secondly, Vietnam has very close relations with its former(and to a lesser extent current) patron Russia, who the U.S still consider a rival/threat. so in this situation it makes things complicated to pull vietnam closer to the U.S , as vietnam still finds it difficult to detach itself from its former romance with Russia/U.S.S.R.
However, things might change in a decade or two from now, when China becomes so powerful/dominant/undisputed leader in Asia, so much that Vietnam will find it even more difficult to remain non align/not to ally itself with a big power like the U.S to at least counter balance China and forget Russia who has way more interests/similar world view with China than small Vietnam, so Russia will not sacrificed those to support Vietnam in any conflict with China.
I wish all the best to Vietnam, considering all what the country went through from the war of independence from China to those against France to the Vietnam war to the subsequent U.S/western sanctions etc. Hopefully Vietnams government will focus more on reform/economy than war/conflicts or focusing too much on defence military/buying fighter jets worth billions(and in the process enriching even more countries like Russia, european countries etc) which otherwise could have gone to other more promising sectors in ITS economy like infrastructure,education,science,technology etc. Hopefully these disputes can be solve peacefully so poor countries like Vietnam or Philippines can focus more on improving their economy instead of spending unncessarily buying military hardwares from rich/developed countries. Wishing vietnam the best.

 

[Nike]

You don't seem to get the point, like many Chinese here.

The title is not Vietnamese called to themselves, it is the western did.

Now take the two titles Prussian of Asia for Vietnamese and Sick Man of Asia for Chinese, the Chinese did not gain respect from the Western contradict to what the Chinese claim they were the victor of WWII

Similar to Israel of Asia for Vietnam, do you think we called ourselves that too?

eeekkks, Israel of Asia? Don't know with Viets nibiru maps or they deluded themselves living in Planet Namec or Mars, my maps still pointed Israel located firmly in Asia landmass, and yet Vietnam dubbed themselves as Israel of Asia. how can we have another Israel in Asia

Even the Singaporean themselves doesn't like anyone to comparing their country with Israel

 

[terranMarine]

what's next? the USA of Asia?

 

[ComradeNam]

i just google Israel of Asia and this is what i found
Jim Sleeper: Blame the Latest Israel-Arab War on... Singapore?

Was it some Chinese in here give the title to us when seeing relationship between Vietnam-U.S? Now you get the point. All the title to us, not us invented. Whatever we get, still better than Sick Man of Asia and Paper Tiger what a shame for Chinese.

Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon
Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon - The Globalist

Now do you Chinese get the point. Vietnam in the Wests is more positive than Chinse.

 

[Grand Historian]

Was it some Chinese in here give the title to us when seeing relationship between Vietnam-U.S? Now you get the point. All the title to us, not us invented. Whatever we get, still better than Sick Man of Asia and Paper Tiger what a shame for Chinese.

Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon
Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon - The Globalist

Now do you Chinese get the point. Vietnam in the Wests is more positive than Chinse.

Yet the Prussian pleaded for help from the Sick Man,Chinese don't need flattery to realize that they were greater that other countries.

Chinese had much more of an influence on the West than Vietnam can ever have.

 

[Raphael]

eeekkks, Israel of Asia? Don't know with Viets nibiru maps or they deluded themselves living in Planet Namec or Mars, my maps still pointed Israel located firmly in Asia landmass, and yet Vietnam dubbed themselves as Israel of Asia. how can we have another Israel in Asia

Even the Singaporean themselves doesn't like anyone to comparing their country with Israel

Singaporeans know that these back-handed "compliments" are actually contemptuous and insulting. And at 50k GDP/capita, they have the confidence to want to be "Singaporeans" and not anyone else. Unfortunately, some less accomplished people have no confidence or self-esteem and are completely dependent on White masters throwing them a bone once every while .

 

[ANMDT]

eeekkks, Israel of Asia? Don't know with Viets nibiru maps or they deluded themselves living in Planet Namec or Mars, my maps still pointed Israel located firmly in Asia landmass, and yet Vietnam dubbed themselves as Israel of Asia. how can we have another Israel in Asia

Even the Singaporean themselves doesn't like anyone to comparing their country with Israel

in my opinion too, its a shame to compare itself of a country with israel

Was it some Chinese in here give the title to us when seeing relationship between Vietnam-U.S? Now you get the point. All the title to us, not us invented. Whatever we get, still better than Sick Man of Asia and Paper Tiger what a shame for Chinese.

Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon
Israel’s Rommel and Vietnam’s Napoleon - The Globalist

Now do you Chinese get the point. Vietnam in the Wests is more positive than Chinse.

China is a country in the world who holds the most of production in anything, and secured themselves with a restrict communist regime . Europe just HAD to have a better relationship with china then they had with vietnam, because once the relations tensed between US- EU - CH the whole world economy would go down . not the same for Vietnam

 

[Viet]

well, it will be nice to see an alliance between Vietnam and the U.S. However i dont think/see that happening anytime soon. The main reason for this is that Vietnam is still very suspicious of U.S intentions(which i understand), since Vietnam is still a communist authoritarian country like its bigger Neighbour to the north unlike U.S democratic allies like philippines, in fact Vietnam is more similar/closer to China in its politcal system/policies/governance than any other country in the region/Asia. the VCP has been learning alot from its communist counterpart in China economic wise and adapting it to vietnam owns local realities/environment and there are also lots Politicans in VCP who are pro china and understand that they can't cut themselves off from a big country and neighbour like China despite the public resentment towards China. So this complicates matters
Secondly, Vietnam has very close relations with its former(and to a lesser extent current) patron Russia, who the U.S still consider a rival/threat. so in this situation it makes things complicated to pull vietnam closer to the U.S , as vietnam still finds it difficult to detach itself from its former romance with Russia/U.S.S.R.
However, things might change in a decade or two from now, when China becomes so powerful/dominant/undisputed leader in Asia, so much that Vietnam will find it even more difficult to remain non align/not to ally itself with a big power like the U.S to at least counter balance China and forget Russia who has way more interests/similar world view with China than small Vietnam, so Russia will not sacrificed those to support Vietnam in any conflict with China.
I wish all the best to Vietnam, considering all what the country went through from the war of independence from China to those against France to the Vietnam war to the subsequent U.S/western sanctions etc. Hopefully Vietnams government will focus more on reform/economy than war/conflicts or focusing too much on defence military/buying fighter jets worth billions(and in the process enriching even more countries like Russia, european countries etc) which otherwise could have gone to other more promising sectors in ITS economy like infrastructure,education,science,technology etc. Hopefully these disputes can be solve peacefully so poor countries like Vietnam or Philippines can focus more on improving their economy instead of spending unncessarily buying military hardwares from rich/developed countries. Wishing vietnam the best.

Mike, I like your analysis. Though in one point I disagree: allying with a great military power. Not in one decade or two, no, we need a decision soon where we go and with whom.

 

[ANMDT]

Yet the Prussian pleaded for help from the Sick Man,Chinese don't need flattery to realize that they were greater that other countries.

Chinese had much more of an influence on the West than Vietnam can ever have.

To be honest ,vietnam is only known with the name of " Vietnam war" and Rambo movies ( bonus add, Shoes stamped with made in Vietnam ) i dont have a problem with Vietnam, or their regime or something to note this further, i only have problem with those old minded guys in Socialist party in Vietnam, who doesnt think about developing only considers to have agressive army. not a defensive one, without moving finger while china is coming and brain washing their own public.

Mike, I like your analysis. Though in one point I disagree: allying with a great military power. Not in one decade or two, no, we need a decision soon where we go and with whom.

What i have seen in plenty of Vietnamese i met, they are just positive people, who says " past is past " and looks positive on alliance of US, and their friendship. They are just so much forgiving on old things. One more point being ally with US wont save vietnam ,its mind of people who will save them , most of Vnamese i heard are expecting world to react against China among what China does in east sea, but it will never gona happen because Vnamese people and VN keeps silence on what happens in the world