A Soldier Reviews ‘Haider’ movie

[kaku1]

Actually it will show what's at stake. Give Indians a much needed dose of reality.

Sometimes we dont realize, but bitter medicine always works.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Of those children ?

No. The parents.

Come and live in Kashmir for 1 year. You will know what I mean.

The 17 year old kid who shot Malala in the head was not born a terrorist.

Sometimes we dont realize, but bitter medicine always works.

True, in fact this has pushed other Kashmiri accounts to be more widely read. Rahul Pandita's account is soon to be made into a film as well.

 

[kaku1]

In the movie they said that a group of "terrorists" (like Menon's group) were supported by the government who could wage the war against the terrorists frm across the border,was that true?

I think thats true, military operations are military operations.

One thing we civilians and politicians need to understand, military comes in when life and death situation arises, and to protect ourselves all things are holy.

No. The parents.

Come and live in Kashmir for 1 year. You will know what I mean.

The 17 year old kid who shot Malala in the head was not born a terrorist.

That is my whole point. Then whose fault is this.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That is my whole point. Then whose fault is this.

Malala?

 

[kaku1]

@SarthakGanguly My POV is little bit different, may be offensive to my Indians. But actually Kashmir insurgency was fault of no one, but actually of circumstances.Not of army and even not of separatist.

But if we go in another round of insurgency in K, then I have to say, this is now total fault of govt. sitting in New Delhi.

 

[Levina]

Dont know what happen in 1989, or ISI was involved or not. This is not the question of that right now.

But a whole generation took there birth in that, and they are adults now. They watched the bullets firing across there houses, there father in missing persons list, there mother dying in front of them. They watched all this.

If we dont able to bring them in main stream, and pushed them in another round of brain washing, then whose fault is this? Of those children ?

Hmm
But then making a movie like Haider would only add fuel to fire right now.

They were called the Ikhwaan ul Muslimeen. Those who did not want their kids to cross the LOC and fight a 'holy war' that brings all round devastation. It included many disillusioned ex-militants.

They exist today as Village Defence Committees - the first line of defence against terrorists. They are the ones who are ordinary Kashmiris who want to be a part of the success story that is India. Better tourism, better infrastructure, education etc.

Read about this - Rukhsana Kausar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Farmer's daughter disarms terrorist and shoots him dead with AK47 - Telegraph

I had read about Ruksana but if my memory serves me right then itvhad happened last year or was it really in 2009?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly My POV is little bit different, may be offensive to my Indians. But actually Kashmir insurgency was fault of no one, but actually of circumstances.

But if we go in another round of insurgency on K, then I have to say, this is now total fault of govt. sitting in New Delhi.

It is not offensive at all. This is India and not Pakistan. When Basharat Peer can peacefully write his script, you can have your opinion as well. Relax.

I have lived there, spent my childhood there etc. The blame can't be put safely on any Government (neither India nor Pakistan). Pakistan lit the spark(Benazir's speech in 1989), but the fuel was the local Kashmiri. Neighbors killed the pandits, after a few targeted killings. The Habba Kadal area for example (also shown in the movie as a backdrop) is a testament to that fact. Even the Armed forces did not leave a whole community homeless.

Sorry, but the responsibility and blame will go to us Kashmirirs, the people and not the Government.

I had read about Ruksana but if my memory serves me right then itvhad happened last year or was it really in 2009?

Yeah, this is only an example. Actually in 2009, the separatists planted IEDs in her room, which was diffused in time. She shot way back. In any case this was just an example. All I am saying is that the separatism bogey is a Srinagar, Sopore, Ganderbal thing. It is open to the tourists and there are no NO-GO zones like there are in many other countries. There is nothing India needs to hide.

(Most of) Kashmir has rejected Islamism now. Hell Kashmir's voter turnout this time was greater than even Bangalore or Mumbai.

But then making a movie like Haider would only add fuel to fire right now.

No chance. The separatists had banned all movie halls in Kashmir way back in the nineties. To be purer. Anyone wishing to watch it will have to rely on the Internet...that is limited.

 

[Donatello]

It is not offensive at all. This is India and not Pakistan. When Basharat Peer can peacefully write his script, you can have your opinion as well. Relax.

I have lived there, spent my childhood there etc. The blame can't be put safely on any Government (neither India nor Pakistan). Pakistan lit the spark(Benazir's speech in 1989), but the fuel was the local Kashmiri. Neighbors killed the pandits, after a few targeted killings. The Habbal Kadal area for example (also shown in the movie as a backdrop) is a testament to that fact. Even the Armed forces did not leave a whole community homeless.

Sorry, but the responsibility and blame will go to us Kashmirirs, the people and not the Government.


Yeah, this is only an example. Actually in 2009, the separatists planted IEDs in her room, which was diffused in time. She shot way back. In any case this was just an example. All I am saying is that the separatism bogey is a Srinagar, Sopore, Ganderbal thing. It is open to the tourists and there are no NO-GO zones like there are in many other countries. There is nothing India needs to hide.

(Most of) Kashmir has rejected Islamism now. Hell Kashmir's voter turnout this time was greater than even Bangalore or Mumbai.


No chance. The separatists had banned all movie halls in Kashmir way back in the nineties. To be purer. Anyone wishing to watch it will have to rely on the Internet...that is limited.

How many pandits were actually killed during the insurgency, 1980s-late 1990s?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I am totally for movies like Haider...they force the Indian noobs to ask questions and seek answers. The answers will hurt the Islamists more than us.

Anyway...chalo folks Good night. Have a wonderful Diwali...Sleepy now.

 

[jamahir]

The movie was from the percpective for a pro Pakistan kashmiri muslim.

what about the "lal chowk" scene??

 

[SarthakGanguly]

How many pandits were actually killed during the insurgency, 1980s-late 1990s?

Sleepy man. Tomorrow pls.

what about the "lal chowk" scene??

That was brilliantly shot. Only the Urdu slogans were chanted though. Not the Kashmiri ones. But that would have given away the sectarian nature of the 'movement'.

 

[Donatello]

Sleepy man. Tomorrow pls.

You should know this figure. Anyway, the reason i am adamant on is that there is no concrete figure. They so called Indian Army man who claims half a million men killed, seems total farce.

 

[kaku1]

Hmm
But then making a movie like Haider would only add fuel to fire right now.

If that so, then I have to say, we are ignoring some hard facts.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You should know this figure. Anyway, the reason i am adamant on is that there is no concrete figure. They so called Indian Army man who claims half a million men killed, seems total farce.

No you are confused.

Half Million is roughly the number who live as refugees. The numbers killed were around 200 for the first 3 years. After that the counting stopped officially (to avoid backlash). Govt estimates are around 1000. But unofficially it's much much more than that. Entire families are missing and won't go into the dead category because the bodies did not turn up.

The Shia community has also been pushed to Ladakh and Kargil.

Guten nacht...rest for tomorrow.

 

[kaku1]

You should know this figure. Anyway, the reason i am adamant on is that there is no concrete figure. They so called Indian Army man who claims half a million men killed, seems total farce.

Lol, I always said one thing. Army is army, they think like tactically, not politically. When army arrives, one need to tight its belt that these things will happen.