A question to both intelligent Bangladeshis and Bangladeshi Poodle Indians

[TNT]

none of that started prior to operation searchlight... if anything... the first four months... bengalis didn;t have any training, funding, armaments of any kind... Pakistan army purge on civilians especially non muslims led to more people joining the cause. india also wouldn't have intervened had pakistan not given it a reason to... ie attack it's military infrastructure in the border with west pakistan... and had they intervened either ways... the americans would have had all the more reason to counter them as they were a soviet friendly state

The indians have accepted training separatists way before the war, even there are accounts of how the founder of BD was in contact with india way way before the war. Americans disnt intervene in 65, what makes u think they would have in 71?

 

[Michael Corleone]

The indians have accepted training separatists way before the war, even there are accounts of how the founder of BD was in contact with india way way before the war. Americans disnt intervene in 65, what makes u think they would have in 71?

mujib was not involved with india... his demands were clear... his entourages on the other hand in his absence... seriously dude pakistan lost it's territory because of pakistan... no other reason.
how are you gonna justify mutiny of troops who five years ago, strapped mines on their chest and ran towards indian tanks to save lahore? there's no other way around it... pak military created the perfect environment for rebellion. it never respected the power of the people. democracy

 

[Buddhistforlife]

TBH if its burma then i will believe the numbers, because i find it strange that the pakistanis randomly went around killing people.
Obviously its a war, some innocent lives are lose, but 3 million in 9 months, thats crazy.

Take your Jamaati logic somewhere else. Some innocent lives? So you think people like Sayeedi, Qauder Mollah, Nizami, Saqa Chowdhury, Golam Azam and other Islamist personalities were chilling in jacuzzi when the war was going on? What was their role?

It"s even very hard for the Burmese butchers to kill 3 millions in just less than 9 months . Some chetona khors aka offshoot of leftists who have been infesting AL since Pakistan time are sometimes looks too inept to spread propaganda.
If Hitler killed 6 million people in 5 years then how come that any nation can kill 3 millions in just less than 8 months ?

Besides no nation will suffer alone,even if. Burmese try to arrange such massive murder,others will try to prevent it.

Our neighbor pretend that they were our savior. So if really Pakistanis murdered such amount where were they ? Why didn't they raise the issue in security council?

There should be a limit of spreading propaganda , but it looks they are too dumb to understand that .

So finally three lakh is acceptable maybe ,but still everyone has this right to ask evidence if even we claim 3 lakh instead of 3 million.


@X-ray Papa

Possible. Mongols killed 2.5 million Muslims in just 5 days when they conquered the Abbasid Khilafah and that too with bow and arrow, spears and knives.

So why can't 3 million Bengalis die in just 9 months?

 

[TNT]

mujib was not involved with india... his demands were clear... his entourages on the other hand in his absence... seriously dude pakistan lost it's territory because of pakistan... no other reason.
how are you gonna justify mutiny of troops who five years ago, strapped mines on their chest and ran towards indian tanks to save lahore? there's no other way around it... pak military created the perfect environment for rebellion. it never respected the power of the people. democracy

Pakistan worried india was working to destabilize east Pakistan in order to break it away in 1962, it was one of the reasons Pakistan didnt attack india when they were butchered by chinese (the appeasement disnt work). This shows the concern was since that time. It takes years to create hatred and separatism, it doesnt happen overnight. There were many political reasons too, bhutto didnt want to give power to mujeeb, the army was also reluctant because of his links to indian establishment. The people of bangaal already had their rights under one unit. Mujeeb just wanted to separate no matter what. I still think referendum was the best choice. Now after 50 years and new generation, u either move on and forget or keep demanding for things n keep blaming each other.

 

[X-ray Papa]

Take your Jamaati logic somewhere else. Some innocent lives? So you think people like Sayeedi, Qauder Mollah, Nizami, Saqa Chowdhury, Golam Azam and other Islamist personalities were chilling in jacuzzi when the war was going on? What was their role?

Mind your own business buddhist, why dont you leave my country first.Eat our food and talk shit about muslims in Bangladesh.This has nothing to do with you.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Mind your own business buddhist, why dont you leave my country first.Eat our food and talk shit about muslims in Bangladesh.This has nothing to do with you.

This country is not your ancestral property.

Mind your own business buddhist, why dont you leave my country first.Eat our food and talk shit about muslims in Bangladesh.This has nothing to do with you.

Jamaat e islami does not represent common Bangladeshi muslims who are peace loving muslims.

 

[X-ray Papa]

This country is not your ancestral property.

This country belongs to the bengalis, since when mujib made a speech about barua being our brothers and sisters.

Jamaat e islami does not represent common Bangladeshi muslims who are peace loving muslims.

How is jammat related to your religion.
Jammat is our problem not yours.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

This country belongs to the bengalis, since when mujib made a speech about barua being our brothers and sisters.

How is jammat related to your religion.
Jammat is our problem not yours.

Yes it is our problem. We can't support war criminals.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

none of that started prior to operation searchlight... if anything... the first four months... bengalis didn;t have any training, funding, armaments of any kind... Pakistan army purge on civilians especially non muslims led to more people joining the cause. india also wouldn't have intervened had pakistan not given it a reason to... ie attack it's military infrastructure in the border with west pakistan... and had they intervened either ways... the americans would have had all the more reason to counter them as they were a soviet friendly state

From the released US Government documents from a few years back, it clearly mentions that India approached the US, UK, and other countries to tell them that India was going to attack Pakistan and separate the two units

The Americans, according to the documents told the Indians, they won't intervene in the eastern unit as that appeared to be a lost cause but should India turn it's attentions to West Pakistan (despite US-Pakistan relations broke down in 1967), the US will be forced to get involved in favour of Pakistan.

Then you have the US carrier turning directions towards South Asia after India decided to attack West Pakistan despite being warned not to do so. Luckily india chickened out when they realised the US was serious.

Point being India did not start state sponsored terrorism in Pakistan in 1971 but much earlier. Most likely when they signed a security pact with the Soviet Union around 1967. Everyone was aware of it. Therefore, Pakistan was correct to launch a military operation in East Pakistan.

Had there not been a well armed, trained and funded terrorist resistance backed by the enemy, the military operations would've been successful and not resulted in much blood letting.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Take your Jamaati logic somewhere else. Some innocent lives? So you think people like Sayeedi, Qauder Mollah, Nizami, Saqa Chowdhury, Golam Azam and other Islamist personalities were chilling in jacuzzi when the war was going on? What was their role?


Possible. Mongols killed 2.5 million Muslims in just 5 days when they conquered the Abbasid Khilafah and that too with bow and arrow, spears and knives.

So why can't 3 million Bengalis die in just 9 months?

Do you have ANY credible evidence that they killed 2.5 million Muslims in 5 days or are these more fairy tales?

 

[VikingRaider]

So why can't 3 million Bengalis die in just 9 months?

Too much silly comparison!It's not medieval era when you can continue massacre and no help will be available before you completely destroyed ( Mostly because of transportation).

Nowadays mass murder is not very easy. Besides Mongols were the top power and most hostile power in their time ,but Pakistan is not .

Besides , mongols had the largest army in their time and how much army personnel Pakistan had in former East Pakistan?

And mongols always aimed to destroy a a civilization. So it's not hard to utterly destroy a nation with blind fire ( in theory though) ,but killing 3 millions from 7.5 core is not possible, as if the number is 3 million that mean Pakistani force just used search and kill method .

And they had not enough time to search 3 millions of people whom they doubt as Indian dalal.

That's it .

 

[Michael Corleone]

The Americans, according to the documents told the Indians, they won't intervene in the eastern unit as that appeared to be a lost cause but should India turn it's attentions to West Pakistan (despite US-Pakistan relations broke down in 1967), the US will be forced to get involved in favour of Pakistan.

yes

Then you have the US carrier turning directions towards South Asia after India decided to attack West Pakistan despite being warned not to do so. Luckily india chickened out when they realised the US was serious.

US sent it's carrier group for placing a blockade over BoB, much earlier than engangement with pakistan... pakistan took this action of india as declaration of war and attacked in kashmir, india used that excuse to launch offensive in the east (by this time, it was winter and civil war in pakistan was basically over with only strong holdouts in shiromoni and dhaka...

Point being India did not start state sponsored terrorism in Pakistan in 1971 but much earlier. Most likely when they signed a security pact with the Soviet Union around 1967. Everyone was aware of it. Therefore, Pakistan was correct to launch a military operation in East Pakistan.

ofc, their entire goal was to dismember pakistan and make it safer for them so that they won't be forced into two front war... with the pak military govt policy of 71... they basically handed it to the indians on a platter

the army was also reluctant because of his links to indian establishment.

this is quite false statement... more like because he was bengali.
UN security council proposed ceasefire and terms of intact pakistan around november/december.... but Bhutto's arrogance didn't allow for that.
Mujib's goal if all the recordings not used for propaganda is anything to go by... he pushed for autonomy/decentralised governance. Where as his entourage did the backdoor dealings with the indians.
Most bengalis like Gen. Osmani and Zia etc were left feeling they fought for the wrong cause/ betrayed when they were directed to not attend surrender ceremony.
basically why all his entourages died like dogs under subsequent military takeover.

 

[bluesky]

Pakistan worried india was working to destabilize east Pakistan in order to break it away in 1962, it was one of the reasons Pakistan didnt attack india when they were butchered by chinese (the appeasement disnt work). This shows the concern was since that time. It takes years to create hatred and separatism, it doesnt happen overnight. There were many political reasons too, bhutto didnt want to give power to mujeeb, the army was also reluctant because of his links to indian establishment. The people of bangaal already had their rights under one unit. Mujeeb just wanted to separate no matter what. I still think referendum was the best choice. Now after 50 years and new generation, u either move on and forget or keep demanding for things n keep blaming each other.

Bold part: You are talking on false premise and blaming us for the 1971 outcome. There was no one saying Pakistan Murdabad before PA troops started killing our innocent people. On 26 March people finally woke up to the nature of west Pakistani mindset that they were forcing us to accept a colony status.

You people wanted a showdown and we accepted it at the cost of our lives. Do not please finger point at India for the butchering of Bengalis that PA started in Dhaka. That Kizilbush Yahya Khan thought it would be an easy walk over. But, he had to kill himself with over drinking finally.

Bhutto tore down the compromise paper at the UN Session on 14/15 December 1971. Please watch somewhere the video clip how he was tearing the paper. This caused PA troops to surrender. So, blame Yahya and Bhutto for the loss of face. Neither Mujib nor his people wanted separation, but you forced it on us.

By the way, as far as I understand you actually do not regret the loss of east Pakistan but regret the loss of face by losing the war.

 

[TNT]

Bold part: You are talking on false premise and blaming us for the 1971 outcome. There was no one saying Pakistan Murdabad before PA troops started killing our innocent people. On 26 March people finally woke up to the nature of west Pakistani mindset that they were forcing us to accept a colony status.

You people wanted a showdown and we accepted it at the cost of our lives. Do not please finger point at India for the butchering of Bengalis that PA started in Dhaka. That Kizilbush Yahya Khan thought it would be an easy walk over. But, he had to kill himself with over drinking finally.

Bhutto tore down the compromise paper at the UN Session on 14/15 December 1971. Please watch somewhere the video clip how he was tearing the paper. This caused PA troops to surrender. So, blame Yahya and Bhutto for the loss of face. Neither Mujib nor his people wanted separation, but you forced it on us.

By the way, as far as I understand you actually do not regret the loss of east Pakistan but regret the loss of face by losing the war.

Bhutto also faced his end by being hanged. I still disagree that suddenly all the hatred appeared when PA started operation. Mujeeb in the late 60s used to say i smell patsun from roads of islamabad, implying islamabad is eating bengaali money. The indians have openly accepted their role and bengalis keep covering them. Accept reality, we have also accepted mistakes on our part.

yes

US sent it's carrier group for placing a blockade over BoB, much earlier than engangement with pakistan... pakistan took this action of india as declaration of war and attacked in kashmir, india used that excuse to launch offensive in the east (by this time, it was winter and civil war in pakistan was basically over with only strong holdouts in shiromoni and dhaka...

ofc, their entire goal was to dismember pakistan and make it safer for them so that they won't be forced into two front war... with the pak military govt policy of 71... they basically handed it to the indians on a platter


this is quite false statement... more like because he was bengali.
UN security council proposed ceasefire and terms of intact pakistan around november/december.... but Bhutto's arrogance didn't allow for that.
Mujib's goal if all the recordings not used for propaganda is anything to go by... he pushed for autonomy/decentralised governance. Where as his entourage did the backdoor dealings with the indians.
Most bengalis like Gen. Osmani and Zia etc were left feeling they fought for the wrong cause/ betrayed when they were directed to not attend surrender ceremony.
basically why all his entourages died like dogs under subsequent military takeover.

Most Pakistanis also blame bhutto and yahya khan but does not mean we are solely to be blamed. Was mujeeb a kid that his subordinates made deals with india and he didn't know?? Come on..

 

[tman786]

If it wasn't for Pakistan, there would not have been a Bangladesh.

Would independent Bangladesh in 1947 be here today? No chance. Bangladesh would have not allowed to survived for a day and would have occupied by India.

the events that led to 71, Bengali terrorism over flawed election result was never justified.

A crackdown was inevitable and the Bengali nationalists shoulder responsibility for the course of history.

If bengalis wanted independence post 1947 when it was East Pakistan, it could have been a peaceful endeavour. Blood was lost on all sides not just bengalis. Stop exaggerating the deaths and tell stories from both sides