A pseudo-Ottoman policy: Turkeys new station in the world
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Rather than being at europe's doorstep with the begging bowl forever in its hands for EU membership ,Turkey can play a more powerful role as the greatest muslim military power in the world, and a guardian of muslim interests.
It will be looked upon as protector of islam by the arabs and others , a role which it already played for centuries in the past ,as the ottoman empire.
But it will have to pay a price---western investment in it may come down ,and the progress that it has made may slow down ,or even reverse......
It will be looked upon as protector of islam by the arabs and others , a role which it already played for centuries in the past ,as the ottoman empire.
But it will have to pay a price---western investment in it may come down ,and the progress that it has made may slow down ,or even reverse......
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can dream only for such things , muslims not united in one country how they will unite at so high level........................
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Well it is possible
a) Turkey (Electronics, Innovation)
b) Pakistan (Agricultural)
c) Malasia (Technology)
d) Iran (Oil and Gas), R&D
e) Saudia (Oil and Gas, Resources)
f) Indonesia (Man Power)
g) Egypt (Tourism, Agricultural, Industrial)
These M-7 Nations do have potential to really represent Muslim Interest
(Nations with muslim minorities like India are really not an example of Muslim States as they can't even provide justice to local mosques)
And to be 100% honest if these countries just traded amoung themselves and forget about Europe and US even then they will make Trillions in gains
Also we have HUGE population and consumer base just we all have to get rid of buying European products and US products -
The main problem in situation is , control pupets in countries like Pakisan and Saudia and also Egypt so , there is always never development on such moves
Ppl in 70's that did tried to unit ppl were either assasinated or hanged in court marshals so that is reality just look at King Faisal(assasinated) , Bhutto(hanged), Sidhat (assasinated, Egypt),
Currently 80% of brain power migrates to Europe and US and all the work is done to help these civilizations get better in return we get bans on our civil liberties so its really up to our own ppl to understand what they want ?
Slavery and losing their culture and liberties or just say NO I had enough of this
a) Turkey (Electronics, Innovation)
b) Pakistan (Agricultural)
c) Malasia (Technology)
d) Iran (Oil and Gas), R&D
e) Saudia (Oil and Gas, Resources)
f) Indonesia (Man Power)
g) Egypt (Tourism, Agricultural, Industrial)
These M-7 Nations do have potential to really represent Muslim Interest
(Nations with muslim minorities like India are really not an example of Muslim States as they can't even provide justice to local mosques)
And to be 100% honest if these countries just traded amoung themselves and forget about Europe and US even then they will make Trillions in gains
Also we have HUGE population and consumer base just we all have to get rid of buying European products and US products -
The main problem in situation is , control pupets in countries like Pakisan and Saudia and also Egypt so , there is always never development on such moves
Ppl in 70's that did tried to unit ppl were either assasinated or hanged in court marshals so that is reality just look at King Faisal(assasinated) , Bhutto(hanged), Sidhat (assasinated, Egypt),
Currently 80% of brain power migrates to Europe and US and all the work is done to help these civilizations get better in return we get bans on our civil liberties so its really up to our own ppl to understand what they want ?
Slavery and losing their culture and liberties or just say NO I had enough of this
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Turkey's so called "Islamist" government is actively working for the interests of the US... These are just antics to keep their support up in the masses considering the revival of Islam in Turkey in this decade...
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Turkey saw its maximum advancement under the ruling system that Ataturk had devised for modern Turkey. Industrial development, technological progress, education boost, better infrastructure projects, more structured and organized defence and a strong industrial base in Eurasia.
Going the Ottoman way would totally reverse this. This is the modern world where rules have changed and no matter what many members say, cannot be played by religion. Religion or language or any other categorization will only be USED in politics to gain attention of people. Other than that, it will never go to a pan-Islam, pan-Christian, pan-Jewish etc form of rule that was there earlier. Such a form of ruling was initially seen in Taliban (before they went rogue). And everyone saw what happened to Afghanistan's already fledgling economy. Businessmen, bureaucrats, scientists etc were all replaced by religious clerics who knew absolutely nothing about governance. With zero education and zero awareness of outside world, Afghanistan just went back 3 centuries.
Therefore, Turkey's best bet to rise as a regional player is to become like France; neutral but still influential power that has a non-religious, economical, industrial, national-oriented system with laws the reflect Turkish way of life yet stay away from the jumble of mixing politics with religion.
Also it would take a long time before Turkey can be independent from US. All of its defence is American or indirectly American. To become independent, it should be able to built own fighters, own tanks, own submarines, own APCs (now started), own small arms, own launch systems, own transport aircraft, own ships, own automobile industry etc. Though they're developing these areas fast, Turkey still has a long way to go before it can tell US "Hey that's not what I think.. I think so and so".
IMO Turkey's best interest to become a world player is to continue following Kemalist system modified with an independent stand in the coming decades.
Going the Ottoman way would totally reverse this. This is the modern world where rules have changed and no matter what many members say, cannot be played by religion. Religion or language or any other categorization will only be USED in politics to gain attention of people. Other than that, it will never go to a pan-Islam, pan-Christian, pan-Jewish etc form of rule that was there earlier. Such a form of ruling was initially seen in Taliban (before they went rogue). And everyone saw what happened to Afghanistan's already fledgling economy. Businessmen, bureaucrats, scientists etc were all replaced by religious clerics who knew absolutely nothing about governance. With zero education and zero awareness of outside world, Afghanistan just went back 3 centuries.
Therefore, Turkey's best bet to rise as a regional player is to become like France; neutral but still influential power that has a non-religious, economical, industrial, national-oriented system with laws the reflect Turkish way of life yet stay away from the jumble of mixing politics with religion.
Also it would take a long time before Turkey can be independent from US. All of its defence is American or indirectly American. To become independent, it should be able to built own fighters, own tanks, own submarines, own APCs (now started), own small arms, own launch systems, own transport aircraft, own ships, own automobile industry etc. Though they're developing these areas fast, Turkey still has a long way to go before it can tell US "Hey that's not what I think.. I think so and so".
IMO Turkey's best interest to become a world player is to continue following Kemalist system modified with an independent stand in the coming decades.
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why you always have to refer conservatives as taliban??
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Eventually they devolve into one. Witness the Wahabis.
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I just gave you one example. History is littered with it. If you have doubt then start reading about Mutazili and Ashari schools of thought.
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Whos conservative
I have a golden rule... Someone who wants to discuss in a civilized manner... I shall always be open to discussion... Someone who is just screaming and shouting... I generally ignore him... Such comments clearly show that my friend patriot has no idea what the Ottoman Empire really was... To compare the Ottomans with the Taliban... well what can you say to that?
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I was not comparing OTTOMAN with Taliban.You said the current AKP Government is not Islamic Enough.Please explain why?Anything more then that IMHO is right wing extremism.What do you mean by AKP is not Islamic Enough Do you want them to establish some delusional taliban style sharia system in Turkey?
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The current government is not perfect, but they're doing fine overall, but not on all fields.
They're trying to change the school system from 8 year mandatory grade school to 5+3, where you can go to any school the first 5 years. which means imam hatip school or normal school. difference is in imam hatip schools you have islam classes and prayers and such. while in normal school you just go to school and have your classes, and then go home.
You'll have to use wiki to look into what imam hatip schools do more.
They're trying to change the school system from 8 year mandatory grade school to 5+3, where you can go to any school the first 5 years. which means imam hatip school or normal school. difference is in imam hatip schools you have islam classes and prayers and such. while in normal school you just go to school and have your classes, and then go home.
You'll have to use wiki to look into what imam hatip schools do more.
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