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A new economic system for the near-future

The day @jamahir understands this simple thing will be the day he stops dreaming of utopia.
its not easy once its catch people its go till death . we have many such people here in pakistan too they are still waiting their comrades will come one day and everything will be fine .
 
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I am mostly for free or subsidized basic necessities/health. Social credit systems can only work in communist states. I'd be more inclined to hear about a hybrid socialist/capitalist model. Where the vulnerable aren't left behind and taken care of, while you could indulge in your capitalist fancies too. In no day on God's earth should a person be picking up their sick on their shoulders to the hospital without money to pay for an ambulance or worse; with no money to bury their dead.
 
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its not easy once its catch people its go till death . we have many such people here in pakistan too they are still waiting their comrades will come one day and everything will be fine .
If you are not a commie when you are 20 you have no heart.

If you are still a commie when you are 30 you have no mind.
 
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Hello, the below idea has been brewing in my head for some time and it came up during recent discussions with @Naofumi and @Soumitra in different threads. I present a new economic system that is needed especially in countries like India and Pakistan where old regressive social mores meet modern capitalist ideas to produce a toxic socio-economic culture where especially lot of the middle class does not look at the socio-economic disparities and injustices that happen because of an uneven money system.

My system is not entirely money-less but more an evolution and is as thus :

All basic needs ( housing, water, basic food, essential clothes, electricity, healthcare, communication, mass-public transport, legal service which will be rare anyway in such a system, etc ) being for free and the remaining things ( non-basic food, clothing accessories, hair styling, gym membership, transportation by taxi, the visit to the restaurant or tea-house, permission for house party, etc ) being a paid-for thing via an evolved money system like the "Social Credits" system being implemented in China.

Let's assume that the Social Credits for each person will be 20 at the start of every month. He will be able to obtain a few services with these Credits. He will need to do his designated regular job and any possible extra community service to increase the credits by say 5. Not doing certain things will decrease his Credits. Doing an anti-social thing will get him punished by jail or non-Credit community service depending on the severity. Importantly, the gained Credits do not add to the next month's Credits and make the person a "richer" man. They start fresh from 20.

This way there is no economic disparity, all get the basic necessities without suffering and anybody say with a penchant for stylish clothing and personal grooming will have to contribute harder to the community.

The system can be applied in three ways :

1. There already are economic unions such as the EU, ALBA and CIS. My proposal is just an advancement on these.

2. An individual country can adopt it while at the same time work with the accepted international trading currency, the American Dollar, because the country's means of production will have been nationalized and the goods and services will be exported by the system and not by individual private businesses.

3. The proposal can be later presented at international offline forums such as the UNO. There is no rational reason why a country cannot adopt it. Please see my signature below my post.

This is a work in progress. I plan to speak of this to various progressive movements in India at the right time.

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Extremely controlled system and can result in oppression of people by a tyrant ruler. Basically you are giving too much power to the government.
 
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So basically big brother decides what are the "good" things I do to earn social credits. Hmm where have I heard of it. Every dictatorship ever. have you read the book 1984?

in capitalism any invention you create while employed can be considered property of the employer if it in any way uses anything from the employer - even your experience and innovation that's purely in your brain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/my-ideas-my-bosss-property.html

Companies have been making more expansive claims to their employees’ mental work for over a decade. In 2004 a court in Texas ordered a former Alcatel employee to give his former employer a software algorithm — which existed entirely in his mind. The idea, which he was still working on and was still too abstract and incomplete to be a patentable invention, was nevertheless deemed the property of Alcatel, forcing the ex-employee to turn over the algorithm in the months after he was fired.

With more corporations demanding that employees pre-assign their intellectual property, there has been a steady decrease in inventor-owned patents. A couple of decades ago, individuals owned about 25 percent of all patents. Now, individuals own barely 10 percent; the rest are corporate-owned.

what incentive is there to do well other than fear of being fired?

its strange to me that you aren't even a business owner, you didn't inherit wealth, shit, you don't even live in a first world country. funny as hell, that you are poor as ****, and don't even understand that you're being given crumbs.
 
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in capitalism any invention you create while employed can be considered property of the employer if it in any way uses anything from the employer - even your experience and innovation that's purely in your brain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/my-ideas-my-bosss-property.html



what incentive is there to do well other than fear of being fired?

its strange to me that you aren't even a business owner, you didn't inherit wealth, shit, you don't even live in a first world country. funny as hell, that you are poor as ****, and don't even understand that you're being given crumbs.
You are a communist? Like the one Jack Ma is?
 
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in capitalism any invention you create while employed can be considered property of the employer if it in any way uses anything from the employer - even your experience and innovation that's purely in your brain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/my-ideas-my-bosss-property.html



what incentive is there to do well other than fear of being fired?

its strange to me that you aren't even a business owner, you didn't inherit wealth, shit, you don't even live in a first world country. funny as hell, that you are poor as ****, and don't even understand that you're being given crumbs.
If you use company resources to develop something the company owns it. I see no problem in that.

I am a marketing person. I have created thousands of brochures, presentations, designs etc. They are technically my creation but for the company. Nothing wrong with that. The company is paying me to create them
 
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If you use company resources to develop something the company owns it. I see no problem in that.

I am a marketing person. I have created thousands of brochures, presentations, designs etc. They are technically my creation but for the company. Nothing wrong with that. The company is paying me to create them

the employee in question used only the experience gained at the company. no physical resources of any kind. the company fired him and then sued for a program that existed only in his mind. fair?

Haha, NVM. What are you then? Ideologically agnostic?

I run away from labels, so no but I believe capitalism is the lesser evil and with some sort of checks in place it can work in real world with reasonable success.

then why has it failed India? India today has more hungry and poor people than ever. India is used as a testing ground for multinational pharmaceutical companies for human experimentation.

the reason is India never had a Mao Zedong. Instead you had Gandhi and Nehru. They were so brainwashed by the British that they didn't know which way was up by the end. your upper class like Lakshimi Mittal are basically the same as 19th century British imperialists, just with brown skin. they are still exploiting India and keeping people eating garbage and begging for scraps. they are still deindustrializing India just like they did in the 19th century. Back then it was deindustrializing Indian cotton, today it is deindustrializing Indian semiconductor and machinery.

It just means that China looks all the better in comparison. I just find it sad for Indians, that they must wallow in the darkness.
 
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then why has it failed India?
Because Deng Xiaoping's liberalisation happened much before (1978) it happened in India - 1992 before that India too was a semi-socialistic type economy inspired by Fabian socialism, central planning from USSR, state interventions etc. I didn't expected yourself to be so ignorant, do you think China is communist??https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalisation_in_India#Pre-liberalisation_policies
 
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Because Deng Xiaoping's liberalisation happened much before (1978) it happened in India - 1992 before that India too was a semi-socialistic type economy inspired by Fabian socialism, central planning from USSR, state interventions etc. I didn't expected yourself to be so ignorant, do you think China is communist??https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalisation_in_India#Pre-liberalisation_policies

My opinion doesn't count. This is the opinion of people with actual power:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/chinese-communist-partys-ideology-global-ambitions/

Let us be clear, the Chinese Communist Party is a Marxist-Leninist organization.

OK, if it's true, then India should be 14 years behind China. 14 years ago was 2006. Huawei was already a large billion+ multinational and China had multiple semiconductor foundries owned by SMIC.

does India have a single competitor to Huawei or SMIC? How about Tencent (1998), Baidu (2001), Alibaba (1999)?

No? Therefore we must conclude that 14 years earlier liberalization is not the cause of India's stagnation relative to China since India is more backwards than 14 years.
 
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My opinion doesn't count. This is the opinion of people with actual power:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/chinese-communist-partys-ideology-global-ambitions/
LoL man, are you playing dumb here?
Since the late 1970s, China has moved from a closed, centrally planned system to a more market-oriented one that plays a major global role. China has implemented reforms in a gradualist fashion, resulting in efficiency gains that have contributed to a more than tenfold increase in GDP since 1978. Reforms began with the phaseout of collectivized agriculture, and expanded to include the gradual liberalization of prices, fiscal decentralization, increased autonomy for state enterprises, growth of the private sector, development of stock markets and a modern banking system, and opening to foreign trade and investment.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
 
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In the coming days I will answer to those who asked me things in this thread but at the moment I will link to an article from the South Indian newspaper Deccan Herald. The article is called A compelling call for a Universal Basic Income.


Perhaps three billion people in the world do jobs or are in political office. Are they all geniuses who have contributed to making the world a peaceful one without wars and injustices ?

And talking about mass-murder should we talk of India ?
 
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