A ‘Muslim Union’ is the need of the hour

[AnnoyingOrange]

Its high time Pakistanis start thinking about Pakistan First... rather than wasting their time in some bother hood fantasy....

 

[Neptune]

It is a very "Wishful" article written by world famous "Turkish" Muslim scholar Harun Yahya (The writer has authored more than 300 books translated in 73 languages on politics, religion and science.)
Harun Yahya

Printed by a leading "Arab" Newspaper
and being discussed on a "Pakistani" Forum ....

This itself shows that concept of "Ummah" is not limited to "brainwashed" Pakistanis only!!
The comments in the comments section of newspaper show a "positive" response from the readers in general . Only here on PDF nationalists have the "courage" to call it "Ummah Crap" , whereas the writer says "We must not forget that Islam orders Muslims to forge unity among their ranks. And Allah has ordered Muslims to strive together if they are wronged."


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Islam in the world resulted from Genocide and ethnic cleansing of Pagans in Arabia

Sunni Islam in "Ummayad" and "Abbasid" kingdoms resulted from Genocide and ethnic cleansing of "descendants and close relatives of Muhammad(pbuh)"

The Ummayads , Abbasids , Ottomans and Saffavids all believed that "Ummah unity" is crap

They were wrong , so are you

wrong in what? Ottoman Empire was the super power of her times. And currently today, who's the most advanced muslim nation? Yeah, Turkey and Iran. Ohh sorry we're not because "we" believed in that crap right...

 

[M. Sarmad]

wrong in what?

What's the deal of finding such alliance. Sorry but even if yes, count Turkey outta the list

It is a very "Wishful" article written by world famous "Turkish" Muslim scholar Harun Yahya

 

[Neptune]

nope...he's a gulen supporter. Nobody who really loves his country would give a crap. In fact, in such case, if it has a military&defence purpose. They'd kick us out of NATO. So we won't risk it.

 

[M. Sarmad]

nope...he's a gulen supporter. Nobody who really loves his country would give a crap. In fact, in such case, if it has a military&defence purpose. They'd kick us out of NATO. So we won't risk it.

As far as I know Gulen movement has more than 10 million supporters world wide
Not sure what majority of the people in Turkey think about it

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

LOL...

































Thts my comment...

 

[Desert Fox]

It is a very "Wishful" article written by world famous "Turkish" Muslim scholar Harun Yahya (The writer has authored more than 300 books translated in 73 languages on politics, religion and science.)
Harun Yahya

Printed by a leading "Arab" Newspaper
and being discussed on a "Pakistani" Forum ....

This itself shows that concept of "Ummah" is not limited to "brainwashed" Pakistanis only!!
The comments in the comments section of newspaper show a "positive" response from the readers in general . Only here on PDF nationalists have the "courage" to call it "Ummah Crap" , whereas the writer says "We must not forget that Islam orders Muslims to forge unity among their ranks. And Allah has ordered Muslims to strive together if they are wronged."

Arab countries have strong economic and defense ties with our enemy india. That's not brotherhood!

 

[Leader]

wrong in what? Ottoman Empire was the super power of her times. And currently today, who's the most advanced muslim nation? Yeah, Turkey and Iran. Ohh sorry we're not because "we" believed in that crap right...

you misunderstood him, Muslim Union in today's context doesnot mean Turkey will rule again like Ottoman Kingdom, it means we put our heads together to work out on differences, settle area disputes, bring forth NATO/EU type of Alliance, curb sectarianism and hatred base agenda among ourselves, work out on common currency and single banking system, open up borders, develop and modernize communication system between countries, initiate economy activities and share the prosperity, prefer cultural ties, in short build up our selves to face the challenges western nations are posing at us.

p.s. yes in that Turkey, Iran, Arabia, Egypt,Pakistan will form the frontline or leading role.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Only question about 'pooling together resources'-will the mega rich gulf states willingly share their riches with the poor ones?
Who willworld hold responsible if terrorist attacks are launched from union territories?[almost inevitable]And,without a industrial base to match europe or USA can this union even if it is formed have any chance against consequent usa attack?Also the formation of such an union if followed by rash actions by extremist section, is likely to militarize european union and also alarm china with its uighur border.India in kashmir and most of all does anyone seriously thinkUSA will allow its string of vassals and bases to slip away without any opposition?
Shia-sunni struggle-alone enough to sabotage whole thing.Let alone ahmadi,barlevi,wahabbi,deobandi etc etc.
And ofcourse the big question,who gets to be caliph?The gulf states and turks who will provide the bulk of resources will give equal place to others?Really?

 

[bronxbull]

Ask Arabs who were oppressed by the "fellow Muslim Ottomans", and thus started a major uprising against them.

Also read how Muslim Iranians absolutely hated Muslim Ottomans


But you will not.


Indian and Pakistani Muslims kids have a weird fetish with Islamists. They can't accept the reality when it comes to the supposed Khilafah Lafafah.

Now please do not drag this discussion to Rashdeens. Thank you.


peace

It is obvious man,

Most people converted to Islam fearing death or counting the privileges they received.

You can say that's not true,common people liked Islam spiritually and did so but if i tell u that either u ll die or live only as a Muslim,even if Islam spiritually deserves a fair chance the political identity that follows causes a huge problem.

Lot of Muslims in India,even in south India often say that we have ruled you for 800 years and we thus deserve a decent living right now,lot of Indian Kshatriya castes also get similar stick but the difference being they are Hindu and these guys are Muslim.

It is normal for Indian Muslims to expect a force from the north west,be it Iran or Saudi Arabia Or Turkey to intervene on their behalf and restore some privileges they once enjoyed.

The story in Pakistan is different but it is true that despite having their own country,they still have to face Hindu hegemony or an attempt at that unlike the split provinces of the past who often quarreled and fought amongst one another.

so,south asian muslims always expect divine intervention from the west and north west as thats what made them in the past.

It is their fundamental identity because if they give up islam,they cant go back and rejoin their castes if at all they remember that.

For example a Muslim Jat wont be seen equal to a Hindu/Sikh Jatt if he wants to get back to either of the 2 folds.

So,they have nothing left to do than hope for divine intervention from the north west.

 

[Cherokee]

If "Muslim Union" was the need of the hour it would already have been established .

 

[Lostsoldier]

Islam is endangered or islam at terror

 

[Echo_419]

As far as I know Gulen movement has more than 10 million supporters world wide
Not sure what majority of the people in Turkey think about it

Question
What does you avatar means?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Question
What does you avatar means?

Islamic Socialism

 

[Echo_419]

GDP and she-DP are old ploys Dr. Sahib.

Really old professorial shebang.


Believe you me, we have tried to export to other Islamic countries, volume and margin is non-existent.

Chinese will still be poorest of the poor Mao Jannat if they had said,

let's export the GDP she-DP Islamist countries.


The only margin and reliable income for Pakistani exporters is based on exports to US and EU.

There is no corporation like metro, walmart, target etc. in any GDP and She-DP Islamist countries that can give Pakistani/INdian/Chinese exporters 1/1000th of the equivalent exports.

Any place is just pathetic.


And Oh

Dr. Sahib

Please do not bring manogs in this discussion.

We will be on very slippery skin then.

Thank you

Sir you seems like a rational person
You tell me Pakistanis need
A smack on the head telling them that all this Ummah is carp & Baloney
& they should focus on Pakistan first to make it a Industrial Power that is to be reckoned with & then maybe other countries will start asking for union with Pakistan

OR

Somehow getting into a union with Other Muslim Countries who have a Industrial Base better than Pakistan [Turkey,Malaysia etc] & act as a dead weight for them
with only useful thing which is NUKES
Gulfies have Oil & Money
Turkey,Malaysia,Iran to some lengths Indonesia have tech
Pakistan will be viewd as a dead weight
Pakistan needs to develop first & then talk all about this Ummah & stuff

Allama Iqbbal
Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle
Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai