A lesson from the Musalmans of Colonial India

[Shinigami]

It seems you Graduated from RSS University?

i dont think they have one

even if they did why would i join? i hate them as much as madrassas, especially for their role in #beefban

 

[Pakistani E]

I guess this is some sort of admission on your part that you cannot provide an alternative to my choice of most tolerant country in the world?

There is increasing oppression and ostracization of muslims in britian since the current neo-con cameroon gov assumed power. Laws have already been enacted specifically targetting muslims u know laws like the recent counter terrorism act and PREVENT strategy? UK is tolerant? Is that the reason why 3 y olds r reported for extremism and well known muslim speakers r called non-violent extremist? These r facts not allegation against the british state.

There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for potential signs of extremism, no one is butchering muslims here. No one is forcing them to convert to christianity. Mosques are easily opened, recently a madrassah opened a few doors from my house even though there is already one such madrassah less than 10 minutes walk away. If the British were oppressing Muslims, there is no way that that an area which is predominantly non muslim would allow a Madrassah to be built here, including being granted planning permission.

The act and prevent strategy also includes violent right wing groups. It does not only single out Muslims, but to deny that violent Muslims are currently not the top most threat to the UK is denying reality and concocting fiction. You know it helps if you actually the mentioned strategy before commenting on it.

As for the three year old case, again instead of a knee jerk reaction it would be advisable to actually read in to the case. The mentioned 3 year old is part of a family of suspected extremists, and the reason why the child was included because of the future impact of an upbringing in an extremist childhood. Personally I would like to see kids taken away from parents who are extremists, whether Muslim or Non Muslim.

As for well known known muslim speakers being called non violent extremist, are you mentioning Zakir Naik ? Do you know who campaigned to have him stopped from entering UK? Other Muslim groups.

You being a Qadiani/Mirzai,its not difficult to understand where are you coming from.

Sure, so why is such a pious and clean Muslim like yourself doing in a filthy kafir country? What's your "angle"?

 

[Luffy 500]

I guess this is some sort of admission on your part that you cannot provide an alternative to my choice of most tolerant country in the world?



There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for potential signs of extremism, no one is butchering muslims here. No one is forcing them to convert to christianity. Mosques are easily opened, recently a madrassah opened a few doors from my house even though there is already one such madrassah less than 10 minutes walk away. If the British were oppressing Muslims, there is no way that that an area which is predominantly non muslim would allow a Madrassah to be built here, including being granted planning permission.

The act and prevent strategy also includes violent right wing groups. It does not only single out Muslims, but to deny that violent Muslims are currently not the top most threat to the UK is denying reality and concocting fiction. You know it helps if you actually the mentioned strategy before commenting on it.

As for the three year old case, again instead of a knee jerk reaction it would be advisable to actually read in to the case. The mentioned 3 year old is part of a family of suspected extremists, and the reason why the child was included because of the future impact of an upbringing in an extremist childhood. Personally I would like to see kids taken away from parents who are extremists, whether Muslim or Non Muslim.

As for well known known muslim speakers being called non violent extremist, are you mentioning Zakir Naik ? Do you know who campaigned to have him stopped from entering UK? Other Muslim groups.



Sure, so why is such a pious and clean Muslim like yourself doing in a filthy kafir country? What's your "angle"?

As expected from a qadiyani , u would defend blatant persecution of muslims.Can u defend terms like non-violent extremism? Isn't it another way of silencing muslims? Isn't it a way of telling muslims "our way or the high way" ? Why r general non-muslim public literally made spies to report "signs of extremism"? Muslims kids should be taken away from parents? This shows the level of bigotry & hatred u have toward muslims.

No wonder u have hatred for scholars & preachers like Dr.Zakir naik who exposes your blatant hypocrisy and kufr and spreads the message of truth. Other muslim groups opposed him , u say? Does UK have a politically homogeneous muslim community? Or r u referring to mazid nawaz type bigots and the qadiyannis as muslims?

Btw does google searching for terms like caliphate make u an extremist? It seems acrording to tolerant british gov it does: School keyword software raises terrorist red flag - Islam21c

 

[The Ultranationalist]

Indeed, the British colonial masters still seem to reign over Hindu India.

how many are muslims amongst the above? none. so dont just blidly believe the bullshit that you read

 

[Pakistani E]

As expected from a qadiyani , u would defend blatant persecution of muslims.Can u defend terms like non-violent extremism? Isn't it another way of silencing muslims? Isn't it a way of telling muslims "our way or the high way" ? Why r general non-muslim public literally made spies to report "signs of extremism"? Muslims kids should be taken away from parents? This shows the level of bigotry & hatred u have toward muslims.

No wonder u have hatred for scholars & preachers like Dr.Zakir naik who exposes your blatant hypocrisy and kufr and spreads the message of truth. Other muslim groups opposed him , u say? Does UK have a politically homogeneous muslim community? Or r u referring to mazid nawaz type bigots and the qadiyannis as muslims?

Btw does google searching for terms like caliphate make u an extremist? It seems acrording to tolerant british gov it does: School keyword software raises terrorist red flag - Islam21c

Please tell these persecuted Muslims to leave UK and go settle in great Bangladesh, where honey flows. Stop creating trouble in this country.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I guess this is some sort of admission on your part that you cannot provide an alternative to my choice of most tolerant country in the world?

Son this era is of 21st century, here mere slogans of cold war era wont work as we have eyes and ears to see and hear. The world has become a global village no one can hide anything these days and can get away with it like they used to do in cold war era. Yr impressions r very very outdated and narrow.

To say UK or anyother country is tolerant is just laughable at its very best.

VIDEO: Pregnant Muslim woman verbally abused on London bus

Above is just one example out of many. But then again, u can live in yr delusions as much as u want, but nobody from outside world is gonna buy that.

 

[Zibago]

Madrassa graduates don't slaughter people for their food habits and neither do they drink cow piss. Even if what u say is correct , then this source is more credible than all the major Indian news outlets combined.

Its called Gao .jal And they mix it in their breakfast

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Please, Leave britain then. No one is forcing you to live here. Go live in the great blessed ummahland where Muslims line up to and fall over themselves to run to the kafir west they hate so much.

so living in Britain mean you cannot speak about double standard during British empire and cannot criticise the British colonial atrocities ? Living in Britain dont mean you become slave of British

 

[scionoftheindus]

Its well known that the brits had very high regards for hindus and their subservience. They even confiscated muslim lands and gave to hindus , unleashing a century of hindu zamidari tyranny over muslims in bengal.

But what this article is talking abt is not history but something still rampant in today's western dominated world i.e the issue of integration of muslims living in the west. Muslims simply being law abiding is not enough but these liberal zealots r literally asking muslims to abandon their religion in the name of integration. Just like the british colonial rulers of india, todays western gov consider Islam & muslims as threat to their power and control of global resources.

And you people shamelessly throw blame on Hindus, Jews and Christians for your backwardness...
19th century Muslims refused to take modern English education..they were of the view that English education weakens their imaan and therefore corrupt them...see if you want to live with 7 century ideology, so be it...but you should not blame others for your backwardness.

 

[scionoftheindus]

so living in Britain mean you cannot speak about double standard during British empire and cannot criticise the British colonial atrocities ? Living in Britain dont mean you become slave of British

Then why live there?.. who is forcing you to live there? All those who have problem with west can very well pack their bags and move back to their countries of origin...this is the reason I don't like Muslims..they are thankless..however much you give them,they always keep whining.(if possible they even kill the people of the host country like they did in India,UK,US ,Spain etc..how barbaric that is! )

 

[Azadkashmir]

Britain is like a glittering palace with lights compared to the third world but if you dig under it it is same except the British elite Rothschild gang are better at hiding it bribes, blackmail, looting,stealing, cheating public propaganda, usury while countries like Pakistan and India it is more obvious. don't be surprise if Pakistan and Indian leaders sit together and have breakfast, while stirring up the masses. fact there are more corrupt Pakistanis in pak than there are in UK. One thing i never liked is when foreigners arrive in pak or india the government will kick the poor to move them out of the road for the foreigners.

anyway here is a interesting article:

How to Exterminate Muslims in India?

Dalit Voice, Editorial, May 16-31. 1999

Muslims ruled over Spain from 712 AD to 1492 AD for 780 years, yet today there are no Muslims in Spain though every aspect of Spanish life has a touch of Islam. Spanish language has many Arabic words, its music has an Arabic tone, its culture has more Arabic influence than the European, and proper nouns in Spanish often have the Arabic prefix al. From 1492, when the last bastion of Muslim political strength Grenada fell, the Muslims of Spain were on the decline and its culmination took place after 120 years when the last batch of Muslim die-hards left Spain in 1612. From that year, Islam vanished from the Spanish horizons.
A particular noteworthy point is that during this period of Islamic decline from Spain, the entire civilised world was ruled by Muslims. The Ottoman Turks had conquered Constantinople in 1553, and were ruling the entire Balkan Peninsula, Egypt was ruled by the powerful Mamiukes, Persia was at its political pinnacle under the Abbasi rulers, and India was ruled by the Moghals. Still Islam vanished from Spain and none of these great Muslim armies did anything to protect the Muslims of Spain. How Islam was ejected from Spain had been a subject of keen study by lndia's Hindu Nazis in the 30s and 40s of this century. They studied this aspect to be copied in India and to counter this possibility, the Muslim leaders also studied this to prevent a repetition of the Spanish methods because Muslims (forming 11.35% of the population as per 1981 census) as lndia's single largest minorities have become the biggest headache to the upper caste Hindus. But the present-day Muslims are totally ignorant of the history of Islamic decline in Spain and hence of the designs surrounding it.

Through this we intend to shed a little light on this subject so that the thinking section of the Muslims and their sympathisers may do some more research on this subject. As in India, Spanish Muslims had three categories: (i) the descendants of the original Arabs, (ii) descendants of Arab fathers and Spanish mothers and (iii) Christian converts to Islam. Immediately after the fall of Grenada many of the original Arabs to save their lives (not property, as they were not permitted to carry their wealth) left Spain to Tunisia and Morocco; many died on their journey by the attacking Christian hordes. Rest of the original Arabs who opted to live in Spain itself were subsequently branded 'foreigners" (as in India) and destroyers of Spain. The other category of Muslims viz. the descendants of Muslim fathers and Christian mothers and converts from Christianity opted to live in Spain believing in the declaration of King Ferdinand that complete religious freedom would be guaranteed. (in India also, we are told that Muslims enjoy full religious freedom and minority rights). The attacks by Christian on their lives and property during the earlier years was pardoned as a temporary phenomenon.

Compare it with the development that took place in India after the partition (1947). But these attacks on Muslim life and property in Spain did not abate but continued for about 50 years with lesser intensity in a sporadic manner, just as it is happening in India today. In the earlier years, the Indian Muslims resisted and fought back. There were mini-battles in the streets, but gradually there were one-sided attacks and every time Muslims were the losers. Of late, the Hindu police itself is let lose to kill the Muslims in India.

While the organized Christian groups were committing such massacres, Ferdinand's Govt, in Spain adopted the policy of eliminating Muslims from the services and adopting the following measures:-

Arabic was removed from administration, schools attached to mosques were debarred from teaching academic and secular subjects like science, history, mathematics and philosophy. Only religious teaching could be imparted,
Lessons in history were faked by which the Muslim rule was dubbed as barbaric. Contribution of Muslims to the development of Spain was avoided,
Muslim houses were made objects of constant searching by police on allegations of arms hoarding and secret meetings, Original Arab Muslims were projected as enemies of Christians and destroyers of Spain.


Christian converts were persuaded to reconvert to Christianity on the ground that their ancestors were forced to become Muslims and as there is no more coercion, they should revert to Christianity.


Muslims who were from Muslim-Christian parentage were branded as bastards and ridiculed and persuaded to revert to Christianity. Marriages performed in the Islamic manner were directed to be registered with the judicial officers. Islamic law was declared illegal. Every method followed in Spain is being experimented in India with better precision and timing.


Thus Muslims in Spain were made objects of ridicule, condemnation and continuous attack. Burning of Muslim houses and shops was encouraged to destroy their economy. Mock ceremonies of reconversion of Muslims to Christianity were held and publicized. In India, Hindu Nazis of all hues-Arya Samaj, Ramakrishna Mission, Vishwa Hindu Parishad etc,. are doing the same. The first two generation of Spanish Muslims adopted passive methods to save their religion by teaching Arabic to their children at home and mosques, and telling them orally about the realities but gradually they lost the zeal. When marriages were ordered to be celebrated only through Govt. agencies, Muslims in early stages performed dual marriages - one with the Govt. authorities and again privately in their homes in the Islamic manner. Gradually the second ceremony was given up as even such a private ceremony was banned.

During this period, Muslim masses gradually fell out of the grips of the Muslim leadership and Muslim elites started flocking to Turkey, Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt where they were received with sympathy. Poor Muslim masses were left uncared for. This is exactly what is happening in India. The richer, English-educated Muslims are getting Brahminised. They have become imitators of upper caste Hindus as they live not in Muslim localities but in Hindu areas. The poor Muslims (they form 95% of the Muslim population) live in ghettos and being better followers of Islam, they are left high and dry. Hence they are getting killed in all anti-Muslim riots.

The seeds sown in the first half of the century in Spain started yielding results in the second half. There was no political leadership, no organization to protect Muslims and enlightened personalities to save the situation. Religious leaders knowing nothing but Islamic' theology tried their best to save the situation, but against heavy propaganda by the Govt. agencies, lures and offers to reconverts, ignorance of Islamic values by the masses and sense of inferiority nurtured in the minds of Muslim masses were too big a force to be undone by the theologians. This needed a political leadership and an organization with arms to counter, but there was none. Those who spoke of invoking the help of Muslim powers of Turkey and Egypt were feared and exposed before the authorities (by the Muslims themselves) to be condemned. Without willing fighters, other Muslim powers could not help. Those who had settled in Turkey and Egypt advised the authorities there to desist' from such a thought as otherwise atrocities on Muslims of Spain would increase. An Ahmed Shah Abdaii was needed but th@'@ was none. And the Muslim masses joined the "mainstream" of Spanish life and the mullahs finding no job for their preaching gradually left Spain. And the last batch to leave Spain consisted of the diehard mullahs in 1612

In India also the political leadership of the Muslims became a tail of the Hindu parties led by the upper castes. Only the theological leadership like that of Moulana Hasan Ali Nadvi has tried to maintain the cultural identity of the Indian Muslims.

This "Spanish experiment" is being tried with greater energy and efficiency in India. Urdu, which is as Islamic in India as Arabic was in Spain, is being eased out. Muslims are voluntarily holding on to madrasas. English-educated richer Muslims are away from the Muslim masses. We saw this at the Tablighe Jamat International conference held in Bangalore (DV, March 15, 1985). They are not going to Muslim countries, but are taking refuge in their psychological and physical seclusion. Any move to organise them to protect the Muslim life and property is branded as communal. Any Muslim flirting, if not supporting the upper castes, is called a "nationalist Muslim". The gulf between the Muslim masses and educated rich Muslims is widening every day. Mass killing of Muslims is considered something natural by the Muslim leadership itself. Whenever it is raised at international Islamic platforms such actions are called interference in the internal affairs of India. Muslims history is deleted from the syllabus. Names of Muslims who died for India are avoided. A great martyr who died for India like Tippu Sultan is unknown to youngsters, whereas the name of Tantia Tope, who fought not for India but for his pension, and Jhansi Laxmi Bai, who fought for her adopted son's heirship to the throne, is brought on the lips of every Indian. No Muslim gets awards for his contribution to science, medicine, music, art or gallantry. Even those who fought from the ranks of the ruling Congress Party like Moulana Azad, Kidwai, Syed Mahmood, Humayun Kabir etc. do not have a road or extension named after them. But there are half-a-dozen in the names of each upper caste leaders in our towns and cities. History is being re-written. ("Falsifying Indian History", DV editorial, April 16, 1985). Muslims are killed daily and their houses and shops burnt. The doors of the Army, police and administration are closed to them. And yet Muslim organizations to protect Islam are coming up like mushrooms. Everybody wants to protect Islam and nobody wants to protect Muslims. We are really worried.

A study of the Ruling Class policies reveals that it has great similarity with the one followed by Ferdinand and Isabelle in Spain. The only difference is that the Hindu upper castes are more sharp and sophisticated because of the limitations imposed in the 20th century by the checks exercisable by the United Nations Human Rights Charter and international public opinion.

The systematic and daily anti-Muslim riots resulting in loss of life and property, and above all the sense of fear in the hearts of every Muslim, elimination of the martial Muslims from the Defence, paramilitary and police forces and brahminising of these forces, closing the doors of appointments in Govt. services and public undertakings, Brahminisation of education and mass.media like radio, TV and advertisement, elimination of Urdu as official language from those areas which form the present day States of Punjab, Haryana, UP, Bihar, parts of Madhya Pradesh, Maharastra, Andhra Pradhesh and Karnataka overnight in 1947-48, gradual closing of Urdu schools are all examples of positive anti-Muslim policies.

On the brahminical psychological warfare side comes the cries of Personal Law amendment, now diluted as common civil code, greatness of the Indian (Hindu) culture, projection of notorious anti-Muslim personalities like "Mahatma" Gandhi, B. G. Tilak, Madan Mohan Malaviya, Veer Savarkar, Lala Laipat Rai as heroes of India to belittle the contribution of Muslims for the development and progress of the country, re-writing of Indian history, describing Muslim professions like beef-selling as a sin and glorifying cow protection policies, introduction of mechanical slaughter of animals to throw out of job butchers, declaration of import and export business carried on by Muslims as smuggling are policies through which vulnerable Indian masses are misguided, resulting in a psychological anti-Muslim bias. Muslim electoral constituencies are divided horizontally and vertically so that they don't have an effective voting power anywhere and thrusting upon them ultra-secular Muslim leaders who have started worshipping Hindu idols and such scenes being systematically televised. Unfortunately Muslim leaders, who are dejected with the Govt., repose much confidence in Hindu masses and hope to secure their help ignoring the fact that the poor Hindu (Dalit) masses are as much victims of such a propaganda. And as on this day only seeds are being sown. The harvest is yet to come. When the harvest reason comes, what will be harvested in India is repetition of Spain, unless the Muslims resort to counter measures soon.

It is high time the Muslim/ intelligentsia rises to the occasion to undo the repetition of the history of Spain in India. Islam has always been protected by the Muslim masses and not by the classes. Rich Muslims, who are not even 5% of the Muslim population (with minor exceptions) are joining the upper caste exploiters. They may talk of Islam but they have forgotten the fellow Muslims. Please note: religion does not protect its followers, but followers protect the religion. Remember if Islam has to be saved in India, Muslims have to be saved.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Then why live there?.. who is forcing you to live there? All those who have problem with west can very well pack their bags and move back to their countries of origin...this is the reason I don't like Muslims..they are thankless..however much you give them,they always keep whining.(if possible they even kill the people of the host country like they did in India,UK,US ,Spain etc..how barbaric that is! )

What non sense is this? No one is forcing me to live in United Kingdom and west give me this freedom of expression and liberty because of which i am living in here. I also criticise my own leadership and their wrong policies . Is this illegal to criticise the practise of slavery in past? Is this thanklessness to criticise the oppression of people during British Raj? There are many British white English who also criticise the wrong doing of their kings/queen during British Raj then would they become disloyal to United Kingdom by criticising the evil practices of past generation during colonial period ? Living in some western country dont mean you lose your right to express your opinions and How you call it thanklessness? You Indians are blind natioanlist and jingoistic and expect that everyone should also behave like you

 

[Pakistani E]

Son this era is of 21st century, here mere slogans of cold war era wont work as we have eyes and ears to see and hear. The world has become a global village no one can hide anything these days and can get away with it like they used to do in cold war era. Yr impressions r very very outdated and narrow.

To say UK or anyother country is tolerant is just laughable at its very best.

VIDEO: Pregnant Muslim woman verbally abused on London bus

Above is just one example out of many. But then again, u can live in yr delusions as much as u want, but nobody from outside world is gonna buy that.

The woman behind this incident has been charged. While Minorities in Muslim countries are slaughtered and their killers are showered with rose petals while publickly admitting to the killings and proclaiming loudly how they will comeplete a "century".

so living in Britain mean you cannot speak about double standard during British empire and cannot criticise the British colonial atrocities ? Living in Britain dont mean you become slave of British

You can critisize everything. I only disagree with the article with its lunatic anaoloy to the inquisiton.

Your Guru or as you say naby Ghulam Amad,rendered enough services to the English Crown,during the English Crusade of Divide and Rule in the sub continent ,resulting in you having the extra special right to question every non mirzai or economic immigrant who is neither pious,nor "clean" Muslim and also does not regard Ehl e Kitab as Kaffir as to why he is in your Mirza"s mentor/ master"s country.

Okay so I am in my masters country. But why are there nearly three MILLION pious Muslims in this country? Economic migrants? Why, can't they follow the example of early Muslims and live in poverty with patience that they come to a kafir country for financial rewards?

 

[nana41]

The woman behind this incident has been charged. While Minorities in Muslim countries are slaughtered and their killers are showered with rose petals while publickly admitting to the killings and proclaiming loudly how they will comeplete a "century".



You can critisize everything. I only disagree with the article with its lunatic anaoloy to the inquisiton.



Okay so I am in my masters country. But why are there nearly three MILLION pious Muslims in this country? Economic migrants? Why, can't they follow the example of early Muslims and live in poverty with patience that they come to a kafir country for financial rewards?

Asian Muslims are in European countries for exactly the same reasons just as the English,American,German and French are in Saudi Arabia,U A E,Kuwait Brunei,China and Bahrain,earning more money than they can in their own country,and their Christianity is not disturbed by local Fundamentalism.

 

[Pakistani E]

extremist who did deserved to die. But then again He has been charged as well.

@waz @Jungibaaz @WebMaster @Horus

Does this consititute supporting extremism?

Asian Muslims are in European countries for exactly the same reasons just as the English,American,German and French are in Saudi Arabia,U A E,Kuwait Brunei,China and Bahrain,earning more money than they can in their own country,and their Christianity is not disturbed by local Fundamentalism.

Ah rightt, Well than do you see the Europeans in Saudi, UAE etc calling for the beheading of their rulers? Or blowing themselves up in these countries because they don't agree with the foreign policy of these countries?

Btw, I like how you exclaim that asian muslims are in EU countries to get livelihood but apprently I am here for an ulterior motive?