A Homeland for Indian Muslims

[SIPRA]

First time I heard this. Does Myanmar, Thailand, Bali, Laos, Malaysia etc fall in this geography?

It is good that you are learning, day by day, by our Eastern scholars and intellectuals.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I know more about Hinduism than you, you filthy gangetic subhuman. A few days ago you didn't even know Hinduism was an identity. I had to educate you on that.



Haha all you Hindus do these humiliating things. That's why there are temples for all sorts of animals and weird gods all over your country. Stop being in denial.



Those are cultural Hindus, like there are cultural Muslims. Unlike you though, I won't deny that Islam is a religion because there are some people who identify as Muslim but don't pray 5 times a day. I'm not a lying Hindu degenerate like you.



LOL Like I said, a few days ago, you were telling me Hinduism wasn't even an identity. I had to teach you this concept! Trust me, if your low IQ pajeet brain can understand it, so can mine.

How old you are kid?? I have asked you many times.
I said " what should be an identity for humans"
What i wrote was this....
" Human being should be your first identity, then you can add nationality. Religious identity is an internal matter "
I don't wanna discus with a kid. Ufff
Why don't you go and suck your thumb.

 

[Hiptullha]

I said " what should be an identity for humans"
What i wrote was this....

No LMAO. You said that only Muslims have a separate identity and no other group in the world has one. Now you're in this thread telling everyone that Hindus have a geographic identity after the lesson I gave you.

Why don't you go and suck your thumb.

Why don't you go suck a dick? You people already worship them, right?

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

First time I heard this. Does Myanmar, Thailand, Bali, Laos, Malaysia etc fall in this geography?

No.. Pakistan is the main spot of this Geographical identity.

No LMAO. You said that only Muslims have a separate identity and no other group in the world has one. Now you're in this thread telling everyone that Hindus have a geographic identity after the lesson I gave you.



Why don't you go suck a dick? You people already worship them, right?

Kid.. Geographical and religious identity has difference.
Most of Hindus like to being called them "Human beings" rather than Hindus.
They don't wanna recognize themselves as per religious faith.
But most of Muslims want to recognize themselves as Muslims first , not human beings.
This is the difference.

Shut the **** up, darkie. Don't gaslight us. We can see your posts and how desperately you want to kill us. Too bad your scrawny, emaciated Hindu frame isn't capable of even lifting a weapon.

You lier zombie, refer me a post where i wished anybody's death.
You pig, don't post further if you can't refer.

 

[newb3e]

How old you are kid?? I

ask the mature bakhts with broken heart alias!!

indians are fucking amazing!

 

[Cygnus Black]

What to reform?
Hinduism is not a particular and fixed ideology.
Hinduism has a history Of reforming itself within according to the time.
Hinduism is a geographical identity, not a religion.

Every time a Dalit boy marries a Brahmin girl, Hinduism gets reformed a little. That's the only non-violent way to make Hinduism a modern, progressive religion. When the last Brahmin girl will marry a Dalit boy, even I will convert to Hinduism.

 

[newb3e]

Indians are infact amazing all over the world..
We have respect all over the world. Because we produce CEO's, not radical brainwashed zombies.

crazy!!
how progressive gau rakhsa education producing gems!

 

[SIPRA]

crazy!!
how progressive gau rakhsa education producing gems!

Array Bhai: Agar taraqqi kerni hae, tau Mootar piyo.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Indians are infact amazing all over the world..
We have respect all over the world. Because we produce CEO's, not radical brainwashed zombies.

Be that as it may, if you said that in a "Steve from IT support" accent, you would get laughed at though..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Since we were going on hypothetical scenarios , i thought i might add my input ...
I don't care about karachi we have mumbai anyways
Although good old fashioned reconquista for south asia would be good
Aaj ..abhi aaajau

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.

And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.

1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.

There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.

The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.

Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.

Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.

I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.

1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.

The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.

All views are welcome.

Ive been suggesting you this for a while her eon pdf.A disastrous marriage affects the psyche of a person long term and it should be sooner the better.


However Pakistanis just have a few questions.
Why couldn't Indian Muslims support Kashmiris in their bad days?
Why some Indian Ulemas and influentials kept calling Pakistan and partition as the main reason they are in trouble when their problems started way before partition
Why Indian Muslim call Pakistan un-islamic and use this narrative as a feel-good thing that they are better-off than Pakistanis?



Like a bad marriage affects a person



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Like a bad marriage affects a person long-term similar

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Reform Hinduism.

Umm its been there for the last 2,500 years ...You may also know it as Buddhism

What's your reform package again?

 

[SrNair]

It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.

And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.

1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.

There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.

The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.

Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.

Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.

I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.

1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.

The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.

All views are welcome.

Please dont compare Kerala with you streetshit teams.
We are Indians first and will always

 

[Lincoln]

This is only reaction which is being apply on Muslims in every corner of the world.
Can't you see this??
How non Muslims becomes hateful against Muslims in US after 9/11?
Many Muslims praise and support ISIS and Al Qaida.
India had many Islamists terrorists attacks in the past. Muslims started riots in 2002 in Gujraat.
Muslims thrown away Kashmiri pundits from Kashmir.
So many wounds has given by Islamists.
Now some Hindus start loosing patient which you called so called "Hindutva".
This is the only reaction.
BTW why you don't speak about china... China is on the way to reform Islam.
Yaha to tumhaari hwaa nikal jaati hai. Lol

Muslims were also victimized before all of this. What? You think that the first half of 20th century was okay, and then all of a sudden Muslims decided no more out of nowhere?

In India;

1. You speak of pandits, but you know what predecesses that in the same context? 1947 and 1948 genocide attempt by Indian Army and the King of Kashmir, and attempts to drive out the Muslims in mass. Follow that up with years of repression and denial to their rights. It was inevitable.

2. Islamist attacks; mostly confined to the cause of Kashmir, how many were purely in the name of God? As such, they're political attacks.

3. Riots; Ever thought why the riots happened? Go even further back, have you forgotten about the Sikh massacre in Punjab by the state?

Every action has a reaction. India as a state isn't blameless with all blame going onto Muslims. Muslims would've co existed more and well along with Hindus in India if...

a. You guys had even the slightest common sense, and sympathy, to give them their fair amount of political representation so their issues could be heard. One of the major reasons why Pakistan came into being. Throughout India's history, the parliament seats taken by Muslim candidates has never surpassed 13% despite there being a 15% population, and has mostly been less than 10%, now even more lower.

b. If you weren't repressing Kashmiri people so much by denying them the one UN-awared humanitarian right they deserve and were promised. You wouldn't have had 95% of what you claim are "Islamist attacks" in India.

c. The fact that BJP was brought in by an 80% majority is itself a blastening blow to the patriotic Indian Muslims. The same BJP leaders who say that Muslims are not equal, that they will rape dead Muslim women in their graves, and follow RSS ideals which does not seen an all inclusive India. How are you surprised if people are getting more uncomfortable with each other then?


Coming towards west...

Pretty easy to sum this all up. It mostly started in after 9/11 about which if you read up in context of Afghan politics and infighting at the time, you would be pretty baffled why it even happened.

But, following that, a war was started and whether we like it or not, the brunt of this has been taken up by Muslims and Islamic nations. They were indeed the victims.

Even if you go further back, the entire revolutions in Muslim nations has been a result of political interference by western nations to put in a favorable leader or remove an unfavorable leader.

The same nations politically engineered programs to radicalize, and then these stuck on, caused rifts during wars, refugee crisises, and so on, and radicalized newer generations.

Isn't that how it went? Why don't you speak with context? Or did one day they all of a sudden decided to be radical out of nowhere despite leading perfectly good lives and families. Did God trigger a switch, or what?

I am not devoiding Muslims of any blame. That is there. But you have to be mentally handicapped to blame it all on Muslims, and saying that the religion is the root of the problem.

Many Muslim countries and regions are doing absolutely fine. UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Bosnia, Russian Federation's Republic of Chechnya, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Malaysia, and more will emerge in the next 50 years as they finally bounce back from the retards in west.

TLDR; Islam isn't the problem. It's your mentally handicapped brain which is trying to put all the blame and woes of its problems on Muslims.

 

[SIPRA]

Umm its been there for the last 2,500 years ...You may also know it as Buddhism

What's your reform package again?

I just recoiled to that poster, in jest; otherwise, I don't do religious discussion, on any public forum. I only occasionally do it in private conversation with close friends, whom I know.