A Homeland for Indian Muslims

[Hiptullha]

The Indian atheist organization correctly identifies itself with its Sanskrit roots by calling itself Nirmukta..we are based on Indian materialism

So???

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

So???

means Atheism has a deep Indian ancestry....we donot need to look to 18th century European Enlightenment to learn about atheism...Any philosophy that is born in the subcontinent is by default Indic (Hindu)....This is the rationale for the ternal struggle between Islam on one hand and Buddhism-Hinduism on other hand ...This is the reason why Myanmar has no qualms on buying Pak jets and unloading its ammo on hapless Rohingyas

 

[Aasimkhan]

you won't be able to get those guns over to India..so you have to be content with killing 51 Pak Hindus each

As you write these lines more than 15 Indian paratroopers have been killed today in Pulwama. HA HA from where are those guns coming which are killing india's elite paratroopers?

means Atheism has a deep Indian ancestry....we donot need to look to 18th century European Enlightenment to learn about atheism...Any philosophy that is born in the subcontinent is by default Indic (Hindu)....This is the rationale for the ternal struggle between Islam on one hand and Buddhism-Hinduism on other hand ...This is the reason why Myanmar has no qualms on buying Pak jets and unloading its ammo on hapless Rohingyas

lol, everybody knows India is not taking the sale of Pakistani JF17s to Mianmar Air Force very easily because it has shocked you like hell. Thanks for proving it

 

[Hiptullha]

means Atheism has a deep Indian ancestry....we donot need to look to 18th century European Enlightenment to learn about atheism...Any philosophy that is born in the subcontinent is by default Indic (Hindu)

No it isn't. Prove your assertion. This isn't Whatsapp where people will believe your bullshit right away. You can't just Hindu = Indic and then say your fringe views are equally as Hindu as prostating in front of an idol of Hanuman. Prove why independent schools of Islam which developed in Deoband or Barelvi aren't considered Hindu under your bullshit definition.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

As you write these lines more than 15 Indian paratroopers have been killed today in Pulwama. HA HA from where are those guns coming which are killing india's elite paratroopers?


lol, everybody knows India is not taking the sale of Pakistani JF17s to Mianmar Air Force very easily because it has shocked you like hell. Thanks for proving it

you have to do way more than kill a few scores of our paratroopers once every quarter...we donot underestimate your tenacity for this conflict, and we are ready to match it step by step....If we didnot lose Kashmir in the 90s, what chance is there now? given in a few years the whole demographics of Kashmir will change..before 2024...If Hindus feel that luminaries like @AfrazulMandal are even 1 percent of the Muslim population, then BJP will come back with 500 seats...India will make sure that its demographics have an overwhelming Dharmic majority for all time to come...If Indic philosophies have held sway in this land till now, it will continue to do so till the collapse of civilization and extinction of humanity


Hindus (Hindustani: [ˈɦɪndu] (listen)) are persons who regard themselves as culturally, ethnically, or religiously adhering to aspects of Hinduism.[1][2] Historically, the term has also been used as a geographical, cultural, and later religious identifier for people living in the Indian subcontinent.[3][4]

@Hiptullha

 

[Hiptullha]

Hindus (Hindustani: [ˈɦɪndu] (listen)) are persons who regard themselves as culturally, ethnically, or religiously adhering to aspects of Hinduism.[1][2] Historically, the term has also been used as a geographical, cultural, and later religious identifier for people living in the Indian subcontinent.[

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Hindu = Indic because Wikipedia said so?

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

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Hindu = Indic because Wikipedia said so?

with references....and it is one of the best consensus based information websites out there...that Hindu is a geographical term has been accepted by scholars too (check the references)

 

[Hiptullha]

with references....and it is one of the best consensus based information websites out there...that Hindu is a geographical term has been accepted by scholars too (check the references)

LMAO. Ok then, am I a Hindu? Is a Muslim in UP a Hindu?

 

[Aasimkhan]

you have to do way more than kill a few scores of our paratroopers once every quarter...we donot underestimate your tenacity for this conflict, and we are ready to match it step by step....If we didnot lose Kashmir in the 90s, what chance is there now? given in a few years the whole demographics of Kashmir will change..before 2024...If Hindus feel that luminaries like @AfrazulMandal are even 1 percent of the Muslim population, then BJP will come back with 500 seats...India will make sure that its demographics have an overwhelming Dharmic majority for all time to come...If Indic philosophies have held sway in this land till now, it will continue to do so till the collapse of civilization and extinction of humanity



Hindus (Hindustani: [ˈɦɪndu] (listen)) are persons who regard themselves as culturally, ethnically, or religiously adhering to aspects of Hinduism.[1][2] Historically, the term has also been used as a geographical, cultural, and later religious identifier for people living in the Indian subcontinent.[3][4]

@Hiptullha

Then we will throw a few dozen nkes on you, then there will be no blade of grass will grow for 5000 years. All RSS/BJP goons will evaporated in radioactive dust

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

LMAO. Ok then, am I a Hindu? Is a Muslim in UP a Hindu?

Nope because you adhere to a philosophy that originated outside of the subcontinent..when you yourself originate from the subcontinent as well as the philosophy you adhere to originate from the subcontinent--->you are a Hindu ...Now what you think as Hindu has a precise term in academia----Brahmanism

Then we will throw a few dozen nkes on you, then there will be no blade of grass will grow for 5000 years. All RSS/BJP goons will evaporated in radioactive dust

As if we can't do the same ...You bore me, boi

 

[Hiptullha]

Nope because you adhere to a philosophy that originated outside of the subcontinent..when you yourself originate from the subcontinent as well as the philosophy you adhere to originate from the subcontinent--->you are a Hindu ...Now what you think as Hindu has a precise term in academia----Brahmanism

How did Hinduism originate in the subcontinent?

 

[xeuss]

It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.

And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.

1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.

There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.

The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.

Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.

Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.

I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.

1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.

The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.

All views are welcome.

Lot of material here to discuss, not enough time. I would like to address just one aspect here. The call for a separate Muslim homeland.

I am not in favor of a separate Muslim homeland in India. I don't think it is practical as there will always be some minority Muslims left in the Hindu state. Besides, there is no guarantee that a separate Muslim state would be a utopia. Yes, Muslims might not be killed and abused by Hindus anymore, but might have another ruling class that tramples on those very rights that we fight for.

I would rather fight for justice and equality within India, so that anyone, not just Muslim, is not subjected to arbitrary application or non-application of laws and rules; discrimination/killings/apathy on the basis of his religion or caste etc; and I could go on, you get the gist.

I know we are focused on the sufferings of Muslims in India. But that is symptomatic is the larger problem that ails India. Once all the Muslims are done away with, the abuse will carry on to the next class of people, whether they are Sikhs or Christians or Adivasis or Dalits.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

How did Hinduism originate in the subcontinent?

Brahmanism originated when Kuru Bharata clan of upper Haryana and Himachal sponsored the sages that composed the Rig Veda

Other strands like Buddhism,Jainism,Ajivika,Charvaka,Samkhya originated deep within the Ganga valley

 

[xyxmt]

Muslims of India need to start moving in one areas, I would start moving to states near Pakistan and towards BD.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Muslims of India need to start moving in one areas, I would start moving to states near Pakistan and towards BD.

As if the Indian state will let such a thing to come to pass