a historic reference on India which explains the geo political reality 2000 years back

[W.11]

@W.11 Why is Tianzhu also called Juandu ...given that Juandu means India proper and Tianzhu means Indus region

tianzhu is also called juandu probably because local kingdom is being called tianzhu while forming part of juandu i-e india.

regards

 

[faithfulguy]

If you don't have a hindutva agenda then you know for a fact that there was no forced mass conversions.
Here are the facts
- 800 years of Muslim rule yet India is 80% Hindu
If Muslims wanted to, we could have forced India to convert to Islam in less then 200 years like Europe did to the pagans there.

The fact that there are more Hindus in utter pradesh then there are people in like 80% of the countries in the world proves there was no mass forced conversion.

Indians forced people to convert to Hinduism. But than turn around and blame others of crimes they committed.

Its safe to determine what have Indians done based on their accusations of others of the same thing. The more they accuse, the more guilty they are.

 

[W.11]

Europe, USA, Latin America and parts of Africa be Christiandom. In real life geography, religion, ethnicity, languages, history and plain chance inform the existence of countries. For instance. No Ibn Saud, no Saudia Arabia. No British East India Company, no India.

that is why one should refer to history before peddling such delusional statements, it has been peddled that if no british raj, no india, if no mughal empire, no india, some people also state that hindus use mauryan empire as the justification for one entity of india, the source dates india as geopolitical entity to atleast 2000 years with a neutral source. India was not bound to hinduism as i just proved neither it was bound with one empire notion like china. The name of ''India'' itself, even Bharat which was used by indonesians to refer to the west although they were influenced by tamilians and southern indians more than north indians.

christiandom, islamic brotherhood is just a religious context, the same will bind china with india in buddhist context, but how real this geopolitical entity really is?

christiandom is as fake as modern day europe, some people also compare europe to india, even though they are completely ignorant of the historical context.

regards

 

[Rusty]

Indians forced people to convert to Hinduism. But than turn around and blame others of crimes they committed.

Its safe to determine what have Indians done based on their accusations of others of the same thing. The more they accuse, the more guilty they are.

100%
They have been forcefully converting for 5000 years but then turn around with crocodile tears and accuse others.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

you are living proof of this
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indians-have-smaller-brains-reveals-study.641257/

Arab accounts from the 7th century prove that there were only Hindus in Pakistan.
We know that 600 years earlier there were Buddhist in that time. We also know that Hindu kingdoms conquered Pakistan between that time and forced our Buddhist ancestors to convert to Hinduism.

Sindh became an outlier of the subcontinent the moment the Thar desert formed

tianzhu is also called juandu probably because local kingdom is being called tianzhu while forming part of juandu i-e india.

regards

If Tianzhu forms a part of Juandu, then doesn't that neutralize your original argument?

 

[Rusty]

Sindh became an outlier of the subcontinent the moment the Thar desert formed



If Tianzhu forms a part of Juandu, then doesn't that neutralize your original argument?

I have no idea why that is relevant or even factual.

 

[W.11]

If Tianzhu forms a part of Juandu, then doesn't that neutralize your original argument?

how exactly?

regards

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

how exactly?

regards

Tianzhu has not been mentioned as a seperate country compared to Juandu by this particualr author...only as a very distinct region within the wider Juandu...Do you know of any other Chinese ancient historian who differentiates between Tianzhu and Juandu....

Juandu being India proper east of Chenab or Ravi
and Tianzhu being the Trans-Indus region roughly similar to modern day Pakistani Punjab

I have no idea why that is relevant or even factual.

sorry didnot mean to include that in my final post...got included by mistake...but since you quoted it, I will let it stay

 

[W.11]

Tianzhu has not been mentioned as a seperate country compared to Juandu by this particualr author...only as a very distinct region within the wider Juandu...Do you know of any other Chinese ancient historian who differentiates between Tianzhu and Juandu....

Juandu being India proper east of Chenab or Ravi
and Tianzhu being the Trans-Indus region roughly similar to modern day Pakistani Punjab

no Juandu is India, not india proper east of chenab and ravi, Tianzhu is mentioned as a kingdom along the indus, not a region, and it is clearly elaborated that there are numerous kingdoms like Tianzhu probably in north western india which identify themselves as Juandu.

regards

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

no Juandu is India, not india proper east of chenab and ravi, Tianzhu is mentioned as a kingdom along the indus, not a region, and it is clearly elaborated that there are numerous kingdoms like Tianzhu probably in north western india which identify themselves as Juandu.

regards

okay I quote verbatim from the Link you provided

"The kingdom of Tianzhu [Northwest India] is also called Juandu. .....
.....
From the Yuezhi [Kushan] and the kingdom of Gaofu [Kabul], heading southwest, you reach the Western Sea. To the east, you reach the kingdom of Panqi [Vanga in Bengal?], which is part of Juandu [India]."

Both are being mentioned as Juandu, both Tianzhu and Juandu itself..You see the problem?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

north western india

You keep using this "North Western India". Please specify you mean this [annoted inside black square below] or Indian Punjab, Himachel Pradesh, Haryana?

• So do you mean this [black box]. Which is in India.

• or do you mean this [black box]. Which is in Pakistan.

 

[W.11]

okay I quote verbatim from the Link you provided

"The kingdom of Tianzhu [Northwest India] is also called Juandu. .....
.....
From the Yuezhi [Kushan] and the kingdom of Gaofu [Kabul], heading southwest, you reach the Western Sea. To the east, you reach the kingdom of Panqi [Vanga in Bengal?], which is part of Juandu [India]."

Both are being mentioned as Juandu, both Tianzhu and Juandu itself..You see the problem?

no seriously i dont really understand your confusion for a very straight forward looking statement.

regards

You keep using this "North Western India". Please specify you mean this [annoted inside black square below] or Indian Punjab, Himachel Pradesh, Haryana?

• So do you mean this [black box]. Which is in India.

• or do you mean this [black box]. Which is in Pakistan.

Pakistan and north western modern india.

regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan and north western modern india.

Then why are you avoiding using the term "Pakistan" as if it is some filthy swear word? If it is the region I think your talking about the appropriate term is Pakistan and Indian Punjab. Why are you trying to be obtuse at the expense of Pakistan but being very keen on peddling "India"? Thanks in advance.

 

[B.K.N]

Pakistan and north western modern india.

Why you can't say eastern parts of present day Pakistan and north western parts of present day India or eastern parts of Pakistan and areas of India close to Pakistan border

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan and north western modern india.

Do you mean this? Because if you do this is a huge region. Again why do you insist n conflating India with Pakistan? Is this some Akhand Bharat infection you have?