A critical look at the Kargil operation

[KAMDEV]

With merely an element of surprise, and an advantage of height. The only reason you were able to perform initially. Those are one of the toughest peaks to even climb from the Indian side, let aside having a battle. Any one perched at the top can command the whole theater.

Pakistan Army chickened out of the fight when the real battle came, instead chose withdrawal. Would have considered PA a worthy adversary had they slogged on and held the peaks, come what may like Indians did at Siachen.

And since the war didn't change the status quo, now deserves the question whether any of the objectives of PA for these operations were met? At any level? Except giving Musharraf a chance for a coup.

With merely an element of surprise, and an advantage of height. The only reason you were able to perform initially. Those are one of the toughest peaks to even climb from the Indian side, let aside having a battle. Any one perched at the top can command the whole theater.

Pakistan Army chickened out of the fight when the real battle came, instead chose withdrawal. Would have considered PA a worthy adversary had they slogged on and held the peaks, come what may like Indians did at Siachen.

And since the war didn't change the status quo, now deserves the question whether any of the objectives of PA for these operations were met? At any level? Except giving Musharraf a chance for a coup.

Pakistan won the battle of kargil as a result kargil remained in india .

 

[Jugger]

The political consequences of Kargil is just below 1971 war in the damage it caused to the image of Pakistan.

To this day India is using Kargil war to undermine Pakistans standing in Kashmir.

 

[AUz]

With merely an element of surprise, and an advantage of height. The only reason you were able to perform initially. Those are one of the toughest peaks to even climb from the Indian side, let aside having a battle. Any one perched at the top can command the whole theater.

Pakistan Army chickened out of the fight when the real battle came, instead chose withdrawal. Would have considered PA a worthy adversary had they slogged on and held the peaks, come what may like Indians did at Siachen.

And since the war didn't change the status quo, now deserves the question whether any of the objectives of PA for these operations were met? At any level? Except giving Musharraf a chance for a coup.

Few tops were taken, others are still held by Pakistan after taking them during Kargil. Point 5353 was attacked by india on multiple occasions but indians were beaten back every time, and Pakistan Army still holds the highest peak (P. 5353) in drass sector.

Secondly indians had to bring entire brigades to handle few hundred Pakistani troops on top. Even that failed, and then indians brought their air force and Israeli experts helped you in guided targetting. Even all of this, and you still couldn't take back all of the peaks taken by Pakistan Army. Only a few.

In terms of chickening out, indian army itself recommended Pakistani officers for highest medal for bravery precisely because of their sheer will to not give up. After indians, who deployed remarkably larger forces numerically, took back the Tiger hill---Pakistani troops, small in number and in extreme disadvantaged position, chose to launch an impossible counter strike on numerically superior indian forces which were sitting on higher ground. That counter strike was so ferocious than indian Army itself recommended Kernal Sher Khan (Rank: Captain) for a prestigious military award for his bravery and sheer will.

It's the type of military acumen unknown to Hindus historically----who are known to give up rather quickly.

You want to see real "chickening out"? See what happened in 62 when indian army humiliatingly left the field on first contact with the Chinese. Pakistani forces will never do that...ever (and please, don't bring a civil war of 71 to salvage your childish ego in the face of facts. No army is gaged on the basis of civil conflict when their own take up arms against them, ranks fall, and political bloodbath takes over. Even the mighty Soviet Army crumbled and lost gigantic chunks of land once the civil unrest ensued. The same Soviet Army that had defeated the Nazi war machine, mind you).

Pakistan had to withdraw from Kargil because of the political debacle on diplomatic level. Everyone knows that, even indian generals who have given interviews on the issue Pakistan had infiltrated Kargil at multiple sectors--majority of them were not even 'touched' yet. But the entire effort became "too hot" for Pakistan to handle in the face of mounting international pressure and inter-institutional disputes within Pakistan. indian military effort was rather unimpressive and did not cause Pakistan to even think about withdrawing.

 

[AUz]

Ha ha ha. ....92000 mujahidin ne bari bahaduri se hathyar dala tha.

Civil wars pe konsi fauj ko judge kiya jata hai?

Only poor hindus that got conquered by superior Muslims are this inferiority-complex stricken that they'll bring civil war to feel happy. Because in real history, hindus have been utterly humiliated by Muslim forces again, and again, and again---and we ruled you for 1000 years and then cut your remaining motherland into multiple pieces ....And all you can do is to cry but can not even take back one inch of your lost lands to Muslims.

Read my reply above. No army has ever survived an all out civil war---whether it's Russians/Soviets, Chinese, and even Americans where the most capable generals and forces eventually got butchered because of civil conflict/wars and ended up surrendering to the North.

 

[KAMDEV]

Civil wars pe konsi fauj ko judge kiya jata hai?

Only poor hindus that got conquered by superior Muslims are this inferiority-complex stricken that they'll bring civil war to feel happy. Because in real history, hindus have been utterly humiliated by Muslim forces again, and again, and again---and we ruled you for 1000 years and then cut your remaining motherland into multiple pieces ....And all you can do is to cry but can not even take back one inch of your lost lands to Muslims.

Read my reply above. No army has ever survived an all out civil war---whether it's Russians/Soviets, Chinese, and even Americans where the most capable generals and forces eventually got butchered because of civil conflict/wars and ended up surrendering to the North.

ha ha ha mujahidin.. .. Annexed kargil ... .

 

[KAMDEV]

Civil wars pe konsi fauj ko judge kiya jata hai?

Only poor hindus that got conquered by superior Muslims are this inferiority-complex stricken that they'll bring civil war to feel happy. Because in real history, hindus have been utterly humiliated by Muslim forces again, and again, and again---and we ruled you for 1000 years and then cut your remaining motherland into multiple pieces ....And all you can do is to cry but can not even take back one inch of your lost lands to Muslims.

Read my reply above. No army has ever survived an all out civil war---whether it's Russians/Soviets, Chinese, and even Americans where the most capable generals and forces eventually got butchered because of civil conflict/wars and ended up surrendering to the North.

Are mujahidin aur surrendered ..

Jaan bachane ke liye poor mujahidin surrendered .

 

[Vanamali]

Like some other Indo-Pak wars/conflicts/escalations on Western (today's Pakistan) front---Kargil ended in a stalemate antebellum, with no significant change of geo-political status-quo on the ground. Although militarily, on a tactical level, Pakistani forces performed much better especially in the early days of the conflict when misjudgement and confusion shrouded Indian military engaged in the Kargil sector.

So does Pakistan teaches it's victories in Kargil to its youger generations. Pls share those here also.

 

[AUz]

So does Pakistan teaches it's victories in Kargil to its youger generations. Pls share those here also.

No, we are not hindus who have to grasp on straws to show some "victory" militarily, since in real life hindus have literally never won any major, let alone history-changing, military conflict ever. You guys genuinely "celebrate" Kargil!!!

A f*cking geographically contained military escalation that involved merely few units from 1 million+ militaries on both sides. How embarrassing...

Regarding "victories" in Kargil---well, tactically, Pakistani forces did take and held many peaks and posts of indian Army and to this very day, we hold those peaks overlooking indian positions below. But as I said, for us, these small operations are part of daily lives. I know, for hindus---taking one peak back (Tiger Hill) with the help of airforce, artillery, and vastly numerically superior forces is a big deal since you guys have such a dearth of any actual and noticeable military victories throughout your thousands of years of history.

 

[queerbait]

Like some other Indo-Pak wars/conflicts/escalations on Western (today's Pakistan) front---Kargil ended in a stalemate antebellum, with no significant change of geo-political status-quo on the ground. Although militarily, on a tactical level, Pakistani forces performed much better especially in the early days of the conflict when misjudgement and confusion shrouded Indian military engaged in the Kargil sector.

Did Pakistan achieve its objectives?
Did Pakistan improved its international standing on kashmir issue?
Did Pakistan gain concessions from india in terms of a favorable treaty/agreement?
Did Pakistan remain economically and politically stable after the war?

 

[queerbait]

uski bait aap par kaam kar gai kiya? kiya zamana aa gaya hai na mun na matha jin paharoon latha..aa gaya randi rona expert gangadeshi

Expert opinions from a senior member here at display. Go on sir ... Tell us more.

 

[queerbait]

No, we are not hindus who have to grasp on straws to show some "victory" militarily, since in real life hindus have literally never won any major, let alone history-changing, military conflict ever. You guys genuinely "celebrate" Kargil!!!

A f*cking geographically contained military escalation that involved merely few units from 1 million+ militaries on both sides. How embarrassing...

Regarding "victories" in Kargil---well, tactically, Pakistani forces did take and held many peaks and posts of indian Army and to this very day, we hold those peaks overlooking indian positions below. But as I said, for us, these small operations are part of daily lives. I know, for hindus---taking one peak back (Tiger Hill) with the help of airforce, artillery, and vastly numerically superior forces is a big deal since you guys have such a dearth of any actual and noticeable military victories throughout your thousands of years of history.

Sprinkle fair bit of racism and an emoji. Great post sir.

 

[Dalai Lama]

If you count the numbers, Kargil was a win for Pakistan because many Hindus were slain by the Mujahedeen.

 

[queerbait]

Pak army did not attack .how can india lose ?

In the minds of Pakistani they have won all the wars. What with one Muslim =10000000000 hindus strength and whatnot. Go on ask them, some senior members will provide scientific reasons behind their excellent theories. @AUz
Tagging one such member here. He is famous across the hemisphere as tbe greatest mind alive. Go on auz tell this fool how pakistan won all its wars since the first B. C onwards.

 

[queerbait]

If you count the numbers, Kargil was a win for Pakistan because many Hindus were slain by the Mujahedeen.

Yes it was. All the wars are win for Pakistan. Pakistan deliberately lost 1971 as they did not want to live with Bangladesh

 

[Dalai Lama]

In the minds of Pakistani they have won all the wars. What with one Muslim =10000000000 hindus strength and whatnot. Go on ask them, some senior members will provide scientific reasons behind their excellent theories. @AUz
Tagging one such member here. He is famous across the hemisphere as tbe greatest mind alive. Go on auz tell this fool how pakistan won all its wars since the first B. C onwards.

There are no scientific theories to support this hypothesis. It's a remnant of Islamic conquest in the subcontinent coupled with pseudo Darwinistic theories perpetrated by the British East India company and subsequently Britain.