A confused Pakistani

[Rig Vedic]

The vast majority of Pakistanis who are not part of the elite are one one crying out for a change. .... I am talking about the those millions upon millions upon millions who are presently in the lower socioeconomic classes with a deteriorating present and dire future prospects.

Is there any hope of turning this vast majority in the lower classes away from Islamism. Clearly Imran is not the solution, he is part of the Islamist elite.

Or perhaps this vast majority believes that salvation lies in more Islamism?

 

[uahmed]

Is there any hope of turning this vast majority in the lower classes away from Islamism. Clearly Imran is not the solution, he is part of the Islamist elite.

Or perhaps this vast majority believes that salvation lies in more Islamism?

The problem is never really with things like "Islamism", "Secularism", "Socialism" etc. The real bad among "-isms" is the "extremism". When a follower of any ideology starts believing the supremacy of his ideology over all others, considers others as lesser human beings and is willing to kill others for it, you have a problem.

There isn't any problem with whatever kind of ideology drives a group or a nation until the extremists within them start becoming significant.

 

[Rafael]

to be honest i don't really know how you concluded that 160 out of 180 millions are violent and morally bankrupt?

Is it your assumption?

A person who is able to write his / her name is considered literate in Pakistan so this graph above holds no value. The actual literacy rate is around 25-30%. As for the latter part of your post, one only needs to go through Pakistani papers to see how violent this society has turned.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

If we allowed them to bully these few things in the start, they would have never stopped and would start believing themselves as de facto rulers.
I mean today do you see punjabis asking to make punjabi as the national language(imagine parliament in punjabi ;D) just because 'they are the majority'?

Now this is the height of arrogance. In fact Bangla should have been single national language since it was the language of majority then. and Urdu was not spoken by even 30% of people then. You made a minority spoken language single national language and you were not ready to make that majority spoken language even co national language ? can you tell me by which logic ?????

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

you are just talking bullshit. Pakistan did not have any problems before lal masjid incident and before joining this ******* war of terror which was complete mess for pakistan so stop acting idiot by finding all faults in pakistan and singing love songs for india.

So for you have not given any logical reply to to his any points raised. and you started abusing him. This is the debating style of most kathmullas or sanghees, in this forum. At least you should have gone to nearest library and seen the news paper archive of last 5 years or at least 5 months before lal masjid incedent before putting the rediculous claim that Pakistan did not have any problems before lal masjid incident. Now have pity on yourself and start giving some true or logical statements.

 

[VCheng]

Is there any hope of turning this vast majority in the lower classes away from Islamism. Clearly Imran is not the solution, he is part of the Islamist elite.

Or perhaps this vast majority believes that salvation lies in more Islamism?

There is always hope, but the issues faced by the people are now so serious that mere Bandaids and fig leaves will not work.

Drastic actions are needed to make any real changes, but those will likely not be forthcoming in time, I fear.

 

[Contrarian]

A person who is able to write his / her name is considered literate in Pakistan so this graph above holds no value. The actual literacy rate is around 25-30%. As for the latter part of your post, one only needs to go through Pakistani papers to see how violent this society has turned.

The same problem in India. What we call literate is a sham.
The only hope is that once we reach 100% literacy as per the current standards(around 78% now), the government will revise definition of literacy to higher standards and the cycle should start again, but be much shorter the next time.

 

[Avatar]

The first step towards solving a problem is to accept that there is a problem.
I'm glad that Pakistanis are beginning to understand that there is confusion.
The people of the nation need fixed opinions about the situation, and the problems faced by the nation. It seems like those in power do not care about the nation and the people are just passive observers to whatever unfolds. Nobody has any fixed opinion on anything and the days just go by in inaction, as extremism keeps spreading without much challenge. Those who can afford to are sending their children to settle abroad, and those who cannot simply accept their fate.. The only things that unite people is religion, hate towards India, US and these things are blamed for all other problems.

 

[474474]

Well, it's water under the bridge now but I believe they were not given their due, considering their contribution to the Pakistani society and economy.

The definition of 'due' varies immensely
What's yours, for the sake of discussion

Now this is the height of arrogance. In fact Bangla should have been single national language since it was the language of majority then. and Urdu was not spoken by even 30% of people then. You made a minority spoken language single national language and you were not ready to make that majority spoken language even co national language ? can you tell me by which logic ?????

It's not spoken by 30% of people even now. Yet they always defend vociferously their language and identify with it. Your point?
On the other hand I can't imagine how bangla would have gained acceptance if that'd happen then west pakistan would have been the one asking for independence lol indian logic

 

[474474]

Now this is the height of arrogance. In fact Bangla should have been single national language since it was the language of majority then. and Urdu was not spoken by even 30% of people then. You made a minority spoken language single national language and you were not ready to make that majority spoken language even co national language ? can you tell me by which logic ?????

Also read about the history and purpose of urdu, it wasnt any ordinary language, there's no such thing as an urdu ethnicity
Even though some people identify with it, they are just people who intermarried and their kids spoke urdu
While bangla belongs to the bengali ethnicity

 

[darkinsky]

Is there any hope of turning this vast majority in the lower classes away from Islamism. Clearly Imran is not the solution, he is part of the Islamist elite.

Or perhaps this vast majority believes that salvation lies in more Islamism?

Mr vedic, keep you bloody hindutwa feelings away from this thread

islam has given you taj mehal and islam gave you civilization, be respectful to islam

 

[Contrarian]

Mr vedic, keep you bloody hindutwa feelings away from this thread

islam has given you taj mehal and islam gave you civilization, be respectful to islam

Is that what they teach u in Pakistan ? That India didn't have civilisation before Islam came here?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

A person who is able to write his / her name is considered literate in Pakistan so this graph above holds no value. The actual literacy rate is around 25-30%

Rafael, how do you define literate? Literate by definition is someone who can read, write and can understand all forms of communication. Its not only true for Pakistan but for other countries as well. People don't have to be graduate or intellectual in order to satisfy the criteria of literate

As for the latter part of your post, one only needs to go through Pakistani papers to see how violent this society has turned.

I do read Pakistani newspaper and watch Pakistani news channel/ talk shows but they don't give any percentage of Pakistani as higher as you suggested 160 million out 180 which according to you are violent and morally bankrupt. The problem with news and media is that they spread sensationalism to score ratings. They take one incident of rape or blast and feed to your brain day and night as if everything negative is happening in the country and there is nothing positive there.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

The first step towards solving a problem is to accept that there is a problem.

You are right there but honestly how many Indians are willing to take negative remarks or any criticism when it is directed towards your incredible India? You all become defensive when someone talk about evils in Indian society. It is very easy to criticise or bash people belong to other countries to demoralize a nation. No country is perfect and people should never lose hope , confidence in their country if they want to see it better. Self-pity would no help to make it better

 

[Joe Shearer]

you are just talking bullshit. Pakistan did not have any problems before lal masjid incident and before joining this ******* war of terror which was complete mess for pakistan so stop acting idiot by finding all faults in pakistan and singing love songs for india.

Are you not aware of the history of incidents within Pakistan long before these two occurrences? Or do you want everyone to ignore that history?