A closer look at Pakistan's Z-10 Choppers

[Maarkhoor]

If photos shows Z-10 fuselage without guns it does not mean that they came without guns, simply that they have not yet been fully assembled. Unless offset by weight, it will be almost impossible to fly the chopper without the guns as it will severely impact the center of gravity.

If photos shows Z-10 fuselage without guns it does not mean that they came without guns, simply that they have not yet been fully assembled. Unless offset by weight, it will be almost impossible to fly the chopper without the guns as it will severely impact the center of gravity.

If photos shows Z-10 fuselage without guns it does not mean that they came without guns, simply that they have not yet been fully assembled. Unless offset by weight, it will be almost impossible to fly the chopper without the guns as it will severely impact the center of gravity.

Copper flying without gun

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Use common sense yar
See the rotor on top it doubles as a fan for the crew

I would be more worried about flying in winter when you can't turn the rotor/fan off

There's sometimes that one posts that has you smiling for 10 minutes. Happens rarely, but this one made it there.

 

[Yazp]

Copper flying without gun

For god's sake, that is the WZ-19, NOT THE WZ 10.
WZ 19 is a different, smaller Helicopter with almost no weapons designed for RECON and SCOUTING. Putting a gun on this thing will make it's nose go down, messing up it's center of gravity.
WZ 10 is a larger, Attack helicopter for taking out Insurgents/Infantry and a dedicated anti-armor helicopter.

WZ 19

WZ 10. Note the tail. WZ 19's engine is not powerful enough to carry an auto-cannon, let alone it's ammunition.
The total Horse power of the WZ 19 is only 940 per engine. While other attack helicopters like the AH1Z or WZ 10 are ~1300 HP. But if you take the hind into account, it's ~2200 horsepower per engine.

Too bad the WZ 10 carries only a puny 14.5mm Gun. The way I see it, our Cobra pilots are having a hard time hitting Talibs with the Cobra's 20 mil, downgrading the main gun to 14.5mm will probably give negative effects. (See video)

They should use something like the 30 mil of the Apache, which minces down both armor and insugrents like a knife through butter.

 

[Mutakalim]

Sir Z-10 not purchased by Pakistan they are here of evaluation and China wants to test their ability in real life operation like zarb e azb.

What i want to say is that if Pakistan acquire them then their sole purpose is not to test them in battle but their main purpose is to fulfill our needs.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We get refund for the ZULU , and get these Z10 Babies , in 8 months 100-150 units for Billion dollars and manufacture the rockets in Pakistan so we can have plenet of fire power free of any requirements

Helicopter delivery after 3 years is ridiculous

This platform has every thing we / our military needs right here

There is no difference between Chinese rockets and missiles vs what is on Zulu , and apache we can forget we will ever get

We need to get these helicopters in numbers for same amout wasted on ZULU we can get 100-150 helo , the rockets are not that difficult to make 100% in Pakistan

Fully Loaded for Action in 4 Months delivery

 

[Yazp]

We get refund for the ZULU , and get these Z10 Babies , in 8 months 100-150 units for Billion dollars and manufacture the rockets in Pakistan so we can have plenet of fire power free of any requirements

Helicopter delivery after 3 years is ridiculous

This platform has every thing we / our military needs right here

There is no difference between Chinese rockets and missiles vs what is on Zulu , and apache we can forget we will ever get

We need to get these helicopters in numbers for same amout wasted on ZULU we can get 100-150 helo , the rockets are not that difficult to make 100% in Pakistan

Fully Loaded for Action in 4 Months delivery

They won't be very useful against infantry/guerillas, unless we somehow put on a 2cm autocannon on it. 1.4 cm is too small, and doesn't explode on impact like the 3cm or 2cm.
Plus our aviation pilots are used to the Cobra, we already have ammunition for the cobras 2cm gatling gun, why don't we reverse engineer AH1Z helicopters? Just like Iran has done to their AH1Js and reproduced them as Panha Toufans?
I mean we have the brains, manpower, money and resources. Is there something stopping us former reverse engineering?

 

[Black Richi Rich]

i Know our priority is the TTP but IA with be having second thoughts about sending there armor across the border with a combo of Hellfire armed AH-1Zs, MI-35s and HJ-10 armed WZ10s with the PA, there armored formation will get laid to waste.

 

[tarrar]

Surely a menacing sight, if you are the enemy.

Because its CGI, but WZ10 is beautiful.

So we will operate WZ10, MI35 & Viper. Powerful punch in the making. The only thing is, PD will have to increase the number of both Viper & MI35.

 

[Yazp]

Because its CGI, but WZ10 is beautiful.

So we will operate WZ10, MI35 & Viper. Powerful punch in the making. The only thing is, PD will have to increase the number of both Viper & MI35.

basically people thought that this was real???!!!

Also,
"Kept you waiting, huh?" -Snake

 

[tarrar]

The important thing is WZ10 are already in trials with PA & surely they are pushing WZ10 to its limits & PA will be looking for what they really want, the most important things are air maneuverability & its fire power. Lets hope both are great.

basically people thought that this was real???!!!

Also,
"Kept you waiting, huh?" -Snake

"Kaz, I'm already a demon" - Snake

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The pics that I saw of Z 10 on an operational base below Multan had guns installed o them.

 

[Mr304_AJ]

Buying same Equipment in large numbers makes U r enemies job easier to counter U. So I think Pakistan Army Aviation took wise decision to diverse their approach regarding Combat Helicopter by opting 17 WZ-10, 15 AH-1Z and eventually will buy 12 or 15 Mi-35 Hind 'E'. Currently ordered only 4 Mi-35 from Russia.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Pakistan should go for helicopter with wz 16 engine and other recent up grades done by China

such developments like this are incremental and would spillover into different variants.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

IMHO -- it is not diversification but opting for a combat proven platform with some commonality with what we are currently operating and a cheaper evolving platform that can be tailored to our needs in the near future i.e. WZ-10.

One can not go wrong with an equipment which is not only combat proven but also currently being used by USMC in the shape of new build machines.

Our experience with the Viper will help us establish our needs viz a viz WZ -10.

Intelligent buying strategy --- atleast INMHO

P.S. Pakistan does give China an immense advantage -- our experience in operating Western platforms and weapon systems and active insurgency.

 

[Imran Khan]

they are not yet pakistani till we induct them