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A Blueprint For A Future Indian Navy

what navy need to concentrate upon mostly in present stage

  • SUBMARINES

    Votes: 38 70.4%
  • DESTROYERS & LARGE LPDS ( like jalaswa)

    Votes: 8 14.8%
  • FRIGATES/ CORVETTES

    Votes: 6 11.1%
  • AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

    Votes: 13 24.1%
  • NAVAL AVIATION

    Votes: 8 14.8%

  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .

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Navies are meant to project power, protect sea lanes and defend the country fair distances away from the coastline. They can serve to blockade enemies in their offensive role and platforms to land forces. India has no territorial ambitions and is currently interested in being a regional power with no present intentions beyond the Bay of Bengal, Indian Ocean and the sea lanes from the Straits of Hormuz to the Straits of Malacca, through which traverse its own energy supplies and those of its potential allies and opponents.

The first step in defense planning is to determine the most likely nations which may wage a war against our nation. In India�s case these are Pakistan, China and Bangladesh in descending order. Of these Pakistan and Bangladesh have adjacent maritime boundaries. Bangladesh Navy is mainly a coast guard with few ocean going frigates and no submarines. Thus our aging carrier Viraat and a few frigates with a small reconnaissance and anti-ship warfare capable air-arm and two submarines would suffice to blockade and have complete domination over the waters of the Bay of Bengal. Air and naval bases at Vishakhapatnam and Andaman islands could be expanded and modernized to fulfill that role. A war with Bangladesh is a remote possibility, but it is best to be prepared for a coming world, where oil and water are likely to be the reason for future wars.

A much more likely scenario is war with Pakistan. Its newer Agosta submarines and P3C Orion anti-submarine and anti-ship warfare capabilities require the Gorshkov-Vikramaditya and a large force of submarines, ASW frigates, destroyers and an air-arm with the equivalence of P3C Orion or Nimrod planes. Our aircraft carrier, a billion plus dollar equipment needs a support group of ASW ships, ship based helicopters, missile frigates, destroyers and submarines. This is one of the main reasons that bigger powers like Russia and China have not fielded aircraft carriers. These assets are very difficult to protect against hunter-killer and attack submarines and cruise missiles. Thus the use of an aircraft carrier to project power is only feasible against Pakistan and foolhardy or impossible against China, Russia, France, Germany, UK or the US. Except for China, the rest are unlikely opponents and even China is unlikely to go to war with us again. Nevertheless, all possibilities must be considered and the way to deal with superior or stronger powers is to retain the capability of severe punishing retaliatory damage to inhibit misadventures by pre-emptive aggressors.


The next factor to be considered is the cost benefit ratio. Aircraft carriers even like the Gorshkov and its aircraft and the support vessels to protect it, would cost two billion dollars for one carrier group. Thus two aircraft carriers should suffice. They would be unusable against any major power and are likely to lose their effectiveness even against Pakistan with time, as it acquires more sophisticated submarines, planes and missiles. On the other hand missile and ASW frigates or destroyers and ASW and air to ship missile carrying aircraft and newer quiet diesel submarines can be built or purchased for 25 to 100 million dollars per piece. India�s 7500 kilometer shoreline permits two or three naval air-arm bases with one or two squadrons of reconnaissance, rescue and attack aircraft at three coastal areas from Gujarat coast to Kerala coast, and two from Kanyakumari to Kolkata because of the bases at Andamans and Vishakhapatnam.

Thus the top priority is a buildup of blue water ships, quiet submarines and a substantial and independent air-arm for the Indian Navy. The big bucks spending should be for a nuclear powered submarine with sea-based ballistic nuclear missiles of long ranges to serve as retaliatory deterrent. Twenty-four modern submarines, Thirty blue water navy frigates and destroyers armed with missiles, helicopters and ABMs, about 100 land based naval aircraft for reconnaissance, rescue, Anti-Submarine Warfare and equipped to attack ships and submarines, and two nuclear powered submarines with nuclear missiles would ensure India�s safety. It needs considerable time to build up navies, so foresight, planning and adequate funding are essential for India�s security. Unlikely though the scenario may be, in the event of a war with China, there must be sufficient naval power and assets to blockade the Straits of Malacca, the bottleneck of oil transit to China.​
 
We need large number of small size submarines. But if you talk about future than India should concentrate more on medium size ships like large number of ~3500 ton frigates, ~8000 ton amphibious ships, followed by small number of ~10000 ton cruisers and medium size ~65000 carriers.

Among major ships we should concentrate on,

~2000 ton submarines (SSK): 18
~8000 ton submarines (SSN/SSBN): 8
~3500 ton frigates: 30
~8000 ton amphibious ships: 8
~10000 ton cruisers: 6
~65000 ton carriers: 2 (excluding IAC-1 and Vikramaditya)

I think large number of frigates and small submarines will give IN capability to fight a two front war as well as distribution of power in a better way. While cruisers with large number of Nirbhay will give good power projection.
 
We need Sub's , subs and more subs .

At least a fleet of 50+ , consisting of nuclear and conventional.

Our current fleet is a real problem. even with replacements we would be hard pressed to have more than 20 sub's before 2025. Something needs to be done to fix this weakness. Navy seems to have already taken action regarding this, building two new strategic deep water naval bases , near Mumbai and Visakhapatnam , specifically for submarines. It clearly has a something in mine.

We are building our surface fleet very nicely. Shipbuilding infrastructure is improving, meaning we can soon increase the rate of new ships being inducted.

our naval wing is soon going to match the air power of many nations in the Indian Ocean, Armed with the Mig-29, N-LCA and NMRCA .
 
Indian navy needs nuclear subs with ballistic missile as a deterrence. Another worrying factor is the yield of the nuclear device which is very low compared to china we need at least one mega ton device for credible deterrence in the event of aggression.
India needs naval bases which can act a choke points for chineese supply lines. it has to strengthen Andaman base to the east and also if possible has to set up a naval base in maldives .
Regular patrols must be done in malacca straits to counter chinese subs.
su 30MKI with brahmos is a deadly combination with which we can destroy any naval ship.
The present navy build up is impressive.:cheers:
 
hey when indias own aircraft carrier coming ??

ins vikramaditiya pics

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We need large number of small size submarines. But if you talk about future than India should concentrate more on medium size ships like large number of ~3500 ton frigates, ~8000 ton amphibious ships, followed by small number of ~10000 ton cruisers and medium size ~65000 carriers.

Among major ships we should concentrate on,

~2000 ton submarines (SSK): 18
~8000 ton submarines (SSN/SSBN): 8
~3500 ton frigates: 30
~8000 ton amphibious ships: 8
~10000 ton cruisers: 6
~65000 ton carriers: 2 (excluding IAC-1 and Vikramaditya)

I think large number of frigates and small submarines will give IN capability to fight a two front war as well as distribution of power in a better way. While cruisers with large number of Nirbhay will give good power projection.

nice speculation, better we go this way with more of them nuclear powered.:smitten:

One thing according to me the naval airforce must be strong to counter & to maintain the status of a blue water navy commanding the lifelines of our own & meanwhile ready to :sniper: when somebody starts waving their tails.........
 
We need large number of small size submarines. But if you talk about future than India should concentrate more on medium size ships like large number of ~3500 ton frigates, ~8000 ton amphibious ships, followed by small number of ~10000 ton cruisers and medium size ~65000 carriers.

Among major ships we should concentrate on,

~2000 ton submarines (SSK): 18
~8000 ton submarines (SSN/SSBN): 8
~3500 ton frigates: 30
~8000 ton amphibious ships: 8
~10000 ton cruisers: 6
~65000 ton carriers: 2 (excluding IAC-1 and Vikramaditya)

I think large number of frigates and small submarines will give IN capability to fight a two front war as well as distribution of power in a better way. While cruisers with large number of Nirbhay will give good power projection.


you forgot to put destroyers in the list and aircrafts with the A.C....
if FGFA comes late then what should be the choice for IAC-2...?

F-35 or, F-18 or, RAFALE,,?
 
subs subs and more subs ....thats the immedite requirement for the Indian navy.
 
nice speculation, better we go this way with more of them nuclear powered.:smitten:

One thing according to me the naval airforce must be strong to counter & to maintain the status of a blue water navy commanding the lifelines of our own & meanwhile ready to :sniper: when somebody starts waving their tails.........

Yes. We need a true blue water navy with proper distribution of 3D tools. Most probably IAC-2 will be nuclear powered.
 
We need around 20-25 P8i to counter Chinese navy and PN submarine and try to increase number current order of project 75 and 75i from 6 to 8 or 10 and induct around 6-8 arihant (ATV) before 2020. So we can easily get 20 con and 6-8(ATV 6+ Akula2) 26-28. I know it is not big fleet looking for our coastal area (7500km) no but better from current situation.
 
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you forgot to put destroyers in the list and aircrafts with the A.C....
As I said we should concentrate more on frigates and cruisers. This will enable Indian Navy to fight a two front war and better distribution of ships. More frigates will allow the navy to increase number of ships on both sides while cruisers will carry Nirbhay, say ~64 per ship.

if FGFA comes late then what should be the choice for IAC-2...?

F-35 or, F-18 or, RAFALE,,?
IN already sent RFI for F-35, Rafale, Sea Gripen and Naval Eurofighter.
 

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