90 Seconds Over LOC

[Pakistani Fighter]

Remember so far only ISPR has issued all the statements, the PAF hasn't held a press brief yet, all the evidence is with PAF including just one SU-30 making it back to it's home base.
And anyone with little observation can conclude that you don't often find a piece of an AMRAAM in your back garden unless it's lodged into it's victim.

What possible proofs can PAF show?

 

[Lucky Breeze]

 

[Falcon26]

Than why didn't India attacked back ? They were bombed by PAF on 6 different locations and their Army chief had a narrow escape. Their planes were being shot down, helicopter going down in a strange manner, their electronic warfare capability was pretty much jammed in most of the locations. So when everything going against you, its better to back off else for an airforce/armed forces, twice bigger than their nemesis never backs off unless they were expecting more damage. Clearly their top tier planes were suddenly looked vulnerable hence they decided to hold back and went on defensive else they would had replied back for sure. When i said 'vulnerable' than its clearly a case of being shot down.

This is great post.

India was on war footing, its media was on overdrive and its political class were salivating for war, yet the events of feb 27th seriously dented belief in their military. Modi’s Rafale regret weren’t without merit. Pakistan clearly had superior battle-plan and application of technology, firepower over the given battlespace which took the Indians by surprise. The ongoing fixation of the fictitious F-16 downing is a face-saving tactic. Modi’s threat of nuclear weapons also further illustrated a failure of India’s conventional forces. India broke its no first use policy, and that’s not without significance. Presents a convincing example of the breakdown of India’s conventional forces in the face by PAF’s onslaught.

 

[alee92nawaz]

Than why didn't India attacked back ? They were bombed by PAF on 6 different locations and their Army chief had a narrow escape. Their planes were being shot down, helicopter going down in a strange manner, their electronic warfare capability was pretty much jammed in most of the locations. So when everything going against you, its better to back off else for an airforce/armed forces, twice bigger than their nemesis never backs off unless they were expecting more damage. Clearly their top tier planes were suddenly looked vulnerable hence they decided to hold back and went on defensive else they would had replied back for sure. When i said 'vulnerable' than its clearly a case of being shot down.

SU-30MKI avionics were proved inferior to those of F-16s , there is no denying that. But one being shot down is another thing. Why shouldn't we judge PAF with the standard we set for IAF?

This is great post.

India was on war footing, its media was on overdrive and its political class were salivating for war, yet the events of feb 27th seriously dented belief in their military. Modi’s Rafale regret weren’t without merit. Pakistan clearly had superior battle-plan and application of technology, firepower over the given battlespace which took the Indians by surprise. The ongoing fixation of the fictitious F-16 downing is a face-saving tactic. Modi’s threat of nuclear weapons also further illustrated a failure of India’s conventional forces. India broke its no first use policy, and that’s not without significance. Presents a convincing example of the breakdown of India’s conventional forces in the face by PAF’s onslaught.

Yeah I agree. Indian conventional bluff was shattered to some extent.

Remember so far only ISPR has issued all the statements, the PAF hasn't held a press brief yet, all the evidence is with PAF including just one SU-30 making it back to it's home base.
And anyone with little observation can conclude that you don't often find a piece of an AMRAAM in your back garden unless it's lodged into it's victim.

That's exactly what I am saying. Everything is circumstantial. PAF hasn't officially claimed this kill. ISPR is doing all the talking. Amraam piece only added to the misery of that face saving presser by IAF.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

SU-30MKI avionics were proved inferior to those of F-16s , there is no denying that. But one being shot down is another thing. Why shouldn't we judge PAF with the standard we set for IAF?

IAF claims have proven to be false from day first. From bombing some imaginary camp in Balakot to downing an F16. There is nothing to believe them. Pakistani version has some what has been backed up by international personalities and organization. So if anyone has to be believed, than it has to be Pakistan. Heck India has even not admitted about their Mi17 crash, how it went down.

P.S let me say it again, IAF would had attacked again 'quickly' had they not lost air superiority on Feb 27. They lost it, not by just losing a 3rd generation Mig 21 but perhaps by losing something bigger.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

proofs for su-30????

 

[war&peace]

Nopes. This isnt true.
1 Su30 and 1 Mig-21 : Thats all what we shot down.
Rest all claims are BS.

oh phasht april ko account banaya

 

[NA71]

Question. ...does any other country (US/RUSSIA/CHINA) know the downing of SU30...if yes, why we have not heard single statement on this from these country?

 

[The Eagle]

Why shouldn't we judge PAF with the standard we set for IAF?

It warrants a visit to history and making tall claims. Recent clash has settled pretty much standard as how to judge PAF V/s IAF. From Retd. AM Shaid Latif to everyone, having close links or being an Ex-PAF confirmed. Also, ISPR himself mentioned two kills by PAF and Heli wasn't our shot.

Secondly, Alan Warnes recently met with PAF CAS and he himself disclosed about SU-30 being shot by PAF. The claim wasn't made just like that but saw enough proof when he asked PAF for. What Alan has to do in this all or praise PAF? In fact the person like Alan Warnes wouldn't compromise over his own credibility in aviation world especially his reporting credibility in certain matters.

Do we ever found PAF in habit to make claims and go blazing like IAF did in this whole episode? Also, it was a nervous breakdown for IAF that didn't challenge PAF anymore and despite all that false sense of superiority (MKI being Mini Awacs & Asian Raptor) did not attempt to make it even for India. How come MODI felt the absence of Rafale when IAF was already flying superior A/C in shape of MKI (Qualitatively & in quantity as well). The thing is, both of kills delivered a blow that adversary did not dare to come back or continue chase rather went back to home most probably licking wounds and planning further. I can safely assume that further surprises by way of more evidence or any possible leak, will make its way but on right day & right time. It is indeed a highly valued evidence in multiple dimension. Oh by the way, right on the evening of 27/2, Russian MoFA was in Islamabad and met few people behind the doors.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Than why didn't India attacked back ? They were bombed by PAF on 6 different locations and their Army chief had a narrow escape. Their planes were being shot down, helicopter going down in a strange manner, their electronic warfare capability was pretty much jammed in most of the locations. So when everything going against you, its better to back off else for an airforce/armed forces, twice bigger than their nemesis never backs off unless they were expecting more damage. Clearly their top tier planes were suddenly looked vulnerable hence they decided to hold back and went on defensive else they would had replied back for sure. When i said 'vulnerable' than its clearly a case of being shot down.

The problem with the Indians, historically speaking, they go to the panic mode too early in the game if initial blows are decisively received.....

Oh by the way, right on the evening of 27/2, Russian MoFA was in Islamabad and met few people behind the doors.

And, then came the news of 9b$ purchase of the Russian stuffs, which may be highly exaggerated....

 

[The Eagle]

And, then came the news of 9b$ purchase of the Russian stuffs, which may be highly exaggerated....

Before this news/analysis I must say, ISPR was directly quoted by Russian Media saying that Pakistan is certainly in talks with Russia in regard to Defence Cooperation & Military purchases. These statements didn't come out suddenly rather a developed situation.

 

[Muslim Warrior]

We even bombed their areas, we crossed LOC with 24 jets and went back unharmed. IAF also admitted we crossed LOC... Where is super power ? I thought they were taking about two fronts wars.
What happend so called 200 mini AWACs such as Su30Mki. They were saying it 3rd best fighter after F22 & F35.

Let alone China ... Indian forces were beaten at every front by our armed forces...

 

[SIPRA]

PAF hasn't officially claimed this kill. ISPR is doing all the talking. Amraam piece only added to the misery of that face saving presser by IAF.

I agree with all, what you have said, except that Pakistan has not officially claimed the shooting down of SU30. It has. DG(ISPR) has claimed shooting down of 2 aircrafts. Alan, referring interview with PAF Chief, has reported downing of SU30 and Pakistan has not refuted or denied that report. It makes it official.

 

[Muslim Warrior]

 

[Mentee]

PAF hasn't officially claimed this kill. ISPR is doing all the talking. Amraam piece only added to the misery of that face saving presser by IAF.