7 Lessons Every Prime Minister Should Learn From Gen. Raheel Sharif

[VCheng]

Forgot to add cynical douchebag to that.

That is not true either, like all the rest of the name-calling by a Senior Mod. Tsk Tsk.

 

[FaujHistorian]

#ZERO: Follow the Constitution. Most important.

No country no constitution

You gotta have a country to have constitution.

I hope you understand.

 

[VCheng]

No country no constitution

You gotta have a country to have constitution.

I hope you understand.

Sir, Pakistan has been a fact of existence for how long now? It is a nuclear power, and it is here to stay. Let us take the next step finally and establish rule of law so that we can develop.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

So how does one follow a constitution which supports corruption, injstice and people like zardari who came to further lower down the standards of getting into Govt sector?

Not only that, they keep on changing the constitution as they see fit, protecting themselves from presidential immunity (zardari in swiss case) so effectively, even if a treason is committed by president against state. He is immune from prosecution

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sir, Pakistan has been a fact of existence for how long now? It is a nuclear power, and it is here to stay. Let us take the next step finally and establish rule of law so that we can develop.

As your deal old prez would say "Nooklier"

Oh bhai jaan

Nooklier walooklier is no gaurantee for either Pakistan or Bharat.

These countries have been downed by maurading hoards for 1000s of years.

next time around it will be very very similar.

The only thing that stands between utter destruction of the two countries? Pak army (armies of the Sindh valley).

The day Sindh valley armies are gone (God forbid), the region will be under another Nadir Shah or will turn into some kind of maratha empire.

Never ignore history.

Because if you do, you do so at your own peril

peace

Hi,

So how does one follow a constitution which supports corruption, injstice and people like zardari who came to further lower down the standards of getting into Govt sector?

Not only that, they keep on changing the constitution as they see fit, protecting themselves from presidential immunity (zardari in swiss case) so effectively, even if a treason is committed by president against state. He is immune from prosecution

Bhai jaan

A written constitution is the one that differentiates us from primitive tribals of Middle East and Africa.

The constitution + country makes us a modern nation state.

Constitution by itself cannot do $hite. We gotta believe in our nation first to realize the full potential of constitution .

Sadly we have a constitution that has been made impure by adding clauses like Quran and Sunnah which in real terms allows corruption in the name of Islam as religion,

Modern constitution puts the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the citizens of the state,

No God and no holy book is added in this responsibility.

But we do not know. In the name of our beautiful religion, we have allowed Mullahtic backdoor to fork our nation.

The day we make our wonderful country "Republic of Pakistan" (as opposed to Cartoonish Islamic republic what the hell this means), Pakistan will be on path to progress from constitutional pov.

Pan Islamism has utterly destoryed and then taken away our connection to our nation.

And thus everyone and no one feels their personal responsibility towards it.

Hope you understand.

 

[VCheng]

As your deal old prez would say "Nooklier"

I believe he said Noo-Kuller.

To the General's credit, he has been smart enough not to carry out a frank coup, but he has skinned the cat in a different way:

The Chessboard ‹ Newsweek Pakistan

PAKISTAN’S GRIM, CURRENT POLITICAL CONFIGURATION.

Chess and advertising, Raymond Chandler said, both involve false perceptions about one’s own importance and intelligence. Pakistan’s political chessboard attests to this. So how exactly are the major players playing and hawking the game?

The Army leadership is in hyper drive, and the civilian leadership appears disinterested. There’s been an incremental shifting of power from the civilian, elected governments—federal and provincial—to the General Headquarters, Rawalpindi: Gen. Raheel Sharif is the Chief of Army Staff, foreign minister, and interior minister all rolled into one. There’s been a renewed acceptance of GHQ as the final arbiter, both by politicians and the public. In essence, there’s been a soft coup—bloodless and consensual. The de facto governance structure is now a civil-military hybrid. To be certain, the gap between de facto and de jure governance is growing wider by the month. Is this gap sustainable in the medium- to long-term?

With the ruling party, Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz), there’s been an incremental abdication of authority and responsibility. PMLN’s current strategy is premised on four pillars. One: keep GHQ’s guns engaged in Sindh (away from the Punjab). Two: maintain monopoly over all the collateral benefits of megaprojects. Three: avoid direct confrontation with GHQ. Four: delay and derail the entire GHQ-sponsored “agenda.” The sharp drop in oil prices has been a godsend and saved the PMLN from a serious economic debacle. But the power sector will determine the party’s political future—and the economics of this sector are deteriorating by the day: the receivables side of the circular debt that stood at Rs. 414 billion in 2013 has shot up to a colossal Rs. 606 billion. On top of that, the export-import gap is widening by the month and large-scale manufacturing is losing steam fast.

The opposition Pakistan Peoples Party has changed tactics but not strategy. The PPP is moving away from direct confrontation with GHQ toward adopting PMLN’s delay-and-derail ploy. The PPP’s new tactical package has three pillars. One: chaperoning Bilawal (a new pawn in Zardari’s arsenal) to the center-forward position and Zardari to fullback. Two: reshuffling the political deck to prepare for the local-government elections. And three: reshuffling the bureaucratic deck to appease GHQ, as part of the delay-and-derail stratagem. Zardari has done to the PPP in less than five years what GHQ could not in 35. In 1977, the PPP bagged 60 percent of the popular vote. In 2013, it managed a meager 15 percent. PPP is now a Sukkur-to-Thattha party, with a total of 40 National Assembly seats in this stretch.

GHQ has disrupted, but not dismantled, Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s Sector Commander-led administrative infrastructure (Altaf Husain, the self-exiled party chief, can now no longer shut down Karachi at an hour’s notice). But MQM’s 2.5-million-strong, urban vote bank in Sindh seems largely intact. Apparently, the gap between the power brokers of its Karachi organization and its London-based leadership is growing wider after every speech from the top pulpit. The MQM seems to have blundered into a direct confrontation with GHQ. The Karachi-based leadership is desperate to change tack, but is this too little, too late?

Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf continues to call Parliament “illegitimate.” Why then is it still part of it? The party’s top decision-making hierarchy has made some serious errors of judgment—and insists on sticking to the same path. The party needs to come out of its politics of denial and negativity. Asad Umar’s belief that if a court fails to convict a murderer, the accused is still a criminal is in essence an argument in support of anarchy.

Truly, “chess is as elaborate a waste of human intelligence as you can find outside an advertising agency.”

 

[FaujHistorian]

I believe he said Noo-Kuller.

To the General's credit, he has been smart enough not to carry out a frank coup, but he has skinned the cat in a different way:

The Chessboard ‹ Newsweek Pakistan

PAKISTAN’S GRIM, CURRENT POLITICAL CONFIGURATION.

Chess and advertising, Raymond Chandler said, both involve false perceptions about one’s own importance and intelligence. Pakistan’s political chessboard attests to this. So how exactly are the major players playing and hawking the game?

Bhai jaan

I stand correct on the term "Noo-Kuller" hhahahah

Ok back to the essay you quoted

The problem is that many in media including this essay are trying to compare Pakistani political system of 2015 with European political systems of 2015.

This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Can you imagine what this author would write about USA of 1860s.

With 100s of 1000s dead in civil war, he would be harping about poor governance of Lincoln, and paethetic leadership / generals of Union army.

In some ways Pakistan of 2015 is more like USA of 1860s (minus the industrial development of Northern USA, and minus the intellect of some in the top slots of US leadership back then).

If you read honest accounts of 1860s, people joked about Prez Lincoln as a bumbling idiot who had no clue of how to fight and then win wars with Southern rebels.

American generals before Grant were much worse than Kiyani.

So please remember the context and the assumptions that go into an analysis.

And the quoted essay utterly lacks context and is built on poor set of assumptions.

peace

 

[VCheng]

Bhai jaan

I stand correct on the term "Noo-Kuller" hhahahah

Ok back to the essay you quoted

The problem is that many in media including this essay are trying to compare Pakistani political system of 2015 with European political systems of 2015.

This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Can you imagine what this author would write about USA of 1860s.

With 100s of 1000s dead in civil war, he would be harping about poor governance of Lincoln, and paethetic leadership / generals of Union army.

In some ways Pakistan of 2015 is more like USA of 1860s (minus the industrial development of Northern USA, and minus the intellect of some in the top slots of US leadership back then).

If you read honest accounts of 1860s, people joked about Prez Lincoln as a bumbling idiot who had no clue of how to fight and then win wars with Southern rebels.

American generals before Grant were much worse than Kiyani.

So please remember the context and the assumptions that go into an analysis.

And the quoted essay utterly lacks context and is built on poor set of assumptions.

peace

Trying to compete in the 21st post-nuclear world with governance systems dating back at least to two centuries ago is not going to work out well.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Trying to compete in the 21st post-nuclear world with governance systems dating back at least to two centuries ago is not going to work out well.

Not sure what you are trying to get at. .

The article you quoted was talking about bickering and bumbling politicians and sad state of our political system.

Oh bhai jaan

political systems evolve over time. Will we need 200 years to evolve. I hope not.

But for any nation, a good working political-military system comes about in around 100 years .

So Pakistan has another 30 years to further evolve and become much more stable.

So far I see that people are making fewer mistakes compared to our recent past.

And some may disagree, but I feel that our media is doing an awesome job in improving our political system.

The other day Nasim Zahra literally shamed Farooq Sattar (poor guy was left speechless).

This public shaming of Altaf and Immi Khan and to some extent PPP and PMLN leadership is changing them for better.

"better" in the context of a politician. mind you.

So if you implied that we'll need 200 years to get stable system, then I respectfully disagree. The reasons are already described above.

 

[VCheng]

Not sure what you are trying to get at. .

The article you quoted was talking about bickering and bumbling politicians and sad state of our political system.

Oh bhai jaan

political systems evolve over time. Will we need 200 years to evolve. I hope not.

But for any nation, a good working political-military system comes about in around 100 years .

So Pakistan has another 30 years to further evolve and become much more stable.

So far I see that people are making fewer mistakes compared to our recent past.

And some may disagree, but I feel that our media is doing an awesome job in improving our political system.

The other day Nasim Zahra literally shamed Farooq Sattar (poor guy was left speechless).

This public shaming of Altaf and Immi Khan and to some extent PPP and PMLN leadership is changing them for better.

"better" in the context of a politician. mind you.

So if you implied that we'll need 200 years to get stable system, then I respectfully disagree. The reasons are already described above.

Yes, you are correct that there are signs of progress towards a stable political system, but we have seen such starts before, only to be uprooted periodically. How long will the present stay of execution last remains to be seen still.

 

[Gandhi follower]

I really pity pakistanis.. I seriously do.

 

[SQ8]

That is not true either, like all the rest of the name-calling by a Senior Mod. Tsk Tsk.

Some people deserve it.

 

[Finer]

Well, he comes from noble patriotic lineage in serving Pakistan. That is not surprise. Keep it up. #True Danday Wali Sarkar

 

[VCheng]

I really pity pakistanis.. I seriously do.

There is no pity needed. Pakistanis have only what they deserve.

 

[Gandhi follower]

There is no pity needed. Pakistanis have only what they deserve.

My point was ... It is about institutions not about individuals. Pakistanis always look for a messiah. I pity that. PM doesn't need to follow the army chief who is appointed by him only. There are many better people to follow.