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7 districts to be returned, Nakhichevan gets corridor

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"Ilham Aliyev has put maximum claims."
What happens behind the scenes of the Karabakh summit at the Elysee Palace: the preparation for the Major Peace Agreement voiced by official Baku have started; the Azerbaijani president has put maximum claims at the Hollande-Sargsyan-Aliyev meeting; Kremlin's chief is also informed about the situation ...

Earlier we have provided information about some of the details of the Paris meeting of Presidents Aliyev and Sargsyan. Although no specific documents and statements were adopted as the result of strained bilateral and multilateral discussions at the Elysee palace, the political analysts are in no hurry to declare the absence of results.

Among the eye-catching details is an agreement to hold the next round of talks between the two presidents in September next year, as part of the UN General Assembly. This, of course, means a significant time period, and it may mean time given to the conflict parties for the Major Peace Agreement, which was unexpectedly (?) voiced by Azerbaijan, and at the same time can be spent for nothing.

If we take into account that, according to Western sources, the atmosphere at the summit was "warm" ("Frans Press"), as well as the fact that President F.Hollande called on the parties Group to focus efforts on the solution of the conflict through negotiations on the basis of the Minsk Group principles the sides "through negotiations on the basis of the principles of the Minsk ", stating that the status quo is unacceptable, and suggested to "start to prepare their people for peace, to show political will, and to start preparing the major peace agreement” and the fact that the US co-chair of the Minsk Group J.Warlick called the Paris meeting a positive step forward, we should not hurry to draw the conclusions of this meeting.

The latest version is largely supported by the statements of independent experts. According to the head of the Institute of cooperation with NATO F.Mammadov, West offered Azerbaijan and Armenia a new roadmap. Russian intelligence is informed about it, so protests were launched against Sargsyan in Yerevan.

Russian political scientist, Director of the Information and Analytical Center of MSU A.Petrov said that this round of Karabakh talks could go down in history as the most significant:

"The parties have not given any information on the discussed issues and the results of the negotiations. This can be considered both good and bad. In my opinion, the results of the previous two meetings have already formed an actual agenda for negotiations. The co-chairs finally declared their readiness to help resolve the problem, kind of rivalry arose among them. The Karabakh problem is again on the agenda. This means that there are all conditions for a real dialogue, and the solution depends only on the will of the parties to the conflict. The fact that the world is recalled about the conflict and wishes a speedy completion is highlighted. "

According to the analyst:

"If bilateral and multilateral negotiations are held during a day, it means that unlike the previous negotiations, there has been some progress. Simply it is too early for us to know about."

But it seems not quite early. According to a reliable source, the principle of major peace agreement was coordinated at the Paris meeting, though not in written. The source links the overall silence of the meeting participants to that fact. That is, they consider that there is no need to inform the public prematurely, or rather, before the preparation of a specific joint document."

However, it is stated that the respective brain centers and profile specialists of the West are dealing seriously with that. Part of them even attended the Paris meeting. A new road map was launched to achieve the major peace agreement in the next 8-9 months.
As it was noted, the Kremlin is informed about it. The anti-Sargsyan statements of the pro-Russian opposition are considered an important indicator of this. By some information, the West seeks to attract Moscow to this process, because there is an opinion that neither West nor Russia can implement these plans alone. In addition, West realizes that one of the conflict parties-Armenia is fully dependent on Moscow.
Kremlin can get involved in this process by three factors:

1. The August events on the frontline shows that war may erupt at any time in the conflict area. Russia does not benefit from this in many senses (as a reason, they cite its reluctance to spoil relations with Turkey as its economic partner).

2. Russia is in an uneasy situation and continues weakening because of sanctions. Therefore, it is in a hurry, supposing that the West can achieve a certain progress in this issue as a result of a plot. If Russia does not promote the problem settlement, it will happen without its involvement, since the West is already dealing with it.

3. If the initial stage of the peace agreement envisages the liberation of 3-5-7 regions around Nagorno Karabakh (in line with Warlick’s 6-paragraph proposal), the Kremlin may get Baku’s approval to joining the Eurasian Economic Union.
West’s interests also coincide greatly on the indicated three directions. The main thing is that they can be coordinated with Russia: the matter is that West also made serious conclusions from the August events, having its vital interests concentrated in the region. It means that as the Russian political scientist said, both centers of power can start settling the conflict synchronously. Today there are the most favorable conditions for that…

As for the positions of the conflict parties, Armenia does not favor this plan, because, being an aggressor, it is required to make the first step. But the situation is that Yerevan will make any required step as it is the Kremlin’s puppet.
One of Armenia’s concerns is about the new sensational provision set by Azerbaijan.

“The matter is that Baku is not against starting work over the major peace agreement. However, at the Hollande-Aliyev-Sargsyan meeting Azerbaijan set the maximum provisions: seven regions must be liberated on the first stage, the corridor from Megri to Nakhchivan must be opened in exchange for the preservation of the Lachin corridor (!!!). Baku agrees and is ready to grant the highest status to Nagorno Karabakh. Putin is also aware of Baku’s requirements”, our source reports.

By the recent information, discussions may start in this very context. But the direction of the process is unclear.

News.Az
 
Can someone show us on a map what that means?
 
A direct land connection between Turkey and Azerbaijan is worths Karabagh. But can anyone sum it up ? is it just an intent or a serious issue which Armenia also agrees on ?
 
A direct land connection between Turkey and Azerbaijan is worths Karabagh. But can anyone sum it up ? is it just an intent or a serious issue which Armenia also agrees on ?
I think Armenia itself is not the important factor. If it goes against Russia's plans, Armenians might even lose credibility in their eyes. If well understood, Azerbaijan is basically giving up its claims on NK for a land connection in return. If it will work like this, Armenia will be cut off from Iran. Some more explanation, a map would be great too, would be welcome.
@Kamil_baku @ASQ-1918 @Azeri440 do you have more information about this development?

i have found this map, not sure if it's related to the recent developments.
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However, aren't the gray parts already part of Azerbaijan?
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I always thought Azerbaijan had control of those regions except for NK.
 
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I think Armenia itself is not the important factor. If it goes against Russia's plans, Armenians might even lose credibility in their eyes. If well understood, Azerbaijan is basically giving up its claims on NK for a land connection in return. If it will work like this, Armenia will be cut off from Iran. Some more explanation, a map would be great too, would be welcome.
@Kamil_baku @ASQ-1918 @Azeri440 do you have more information about this development?

i have found this map, not sure if it's related to the recent developments.
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However, aren't the gray parts already part of Azerbaijan?
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I always thought Azerbaijan had control of those regions except for NK.

1. All of this stuff are still rumors, but strong rumors.
2. Yes, the map is related
3. No, It seems what Azerbaijan has recently suggested is returning NK back to Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan will give highest autonomy to this region, in return. A corridor from Lachin, as you shown in map, would connect Armenia to NK, and a corridor connects Nakhjivan to mainland of Azerbaijan, in return.
 
Someone please some it up. So Azerbaijan is ready to give up some parts NK in exchange for land access to Nakhichevan? Also Armenia will have an enclave in Azerbaijan? I think something doesn't fit.
 
Someone please some it up. So Azerbaijan is ready to give up some parts NK in exchange for land access to Nakhichevan? Also Armenia will have an enclave in Azerbaijan? I think something doesn't fit.
Read my post:
3. No, It seems what Azerbaijan has recently suggested is returning NK back to Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan will give highest autonomy to this region, in return. A corridor from Lachin, as you shown in map, would connect Armenia to NK, and a corridor connects Nakhjivan to mainland of Azerbaijan, in return.
Also, see the map posted by @usernameless

Land Exchanges:
Karabagh, and Nagorno Karabagh >> Back to Azerbaijan, and Nagorno Karabagh receives highest autonomy
Lachin >> From Azerbaijan given to Armenia
Meghri >> From Armenia given to Azerbaijan
 
Read my post:

Also, see the map posted by @usernameless

Land Exchanges:
Karabagh, and Nagorno Karabagh >> Back to Azerbaijan, and Nagorno Karabagh receives highest autonomy
Lachin >> From Azerbaijan given to Armenia
Meghri >> From Armenia given to Azerbaijan
is Armenia not hell bent on keeping NK? so why should it give back to Azerbaijan? If this deal would get through, it would favor Azerbaijan so much, right? why would Armenia want that Lachin corridor is NK is not theirs anymore to begin with? my knowledge about NK and its status is not extensive, my bad if i say silly stuff.
 
AFAIK Azerbaijan already propose to give the autonomy since long time, why would Armenia agree with the proposal now? If they agree, Armenia will lose everything that they fight for without getting anything useful, as bonus they also losing direct access to Iran.
 
The recent moves by neighbors:

1. Russia
They conducted the first round of meetings. They seriously want Azerbaijan to join their economic union, which Azerbaijan is not willing as long as Karabagh issue is not reslved. Also, they have been constantly updated about the second round of meetings in France.

2. Iran
Iran was the country who did its best against Azerbaijan, now they are aware of changing the status between Azerbaijan and Armenia, screws them over. So, they have changed their policy.
1. They sent their minister to baku
2. They sent another person to meet Mehriban Aliyeva
3. They requested to open a TV channel in Azerbaijan
4. Now, Rouhani wants to visit Azerbaijan

All of this has happened in a short time.

Hassan Rouhani to visit Azerbaijan
Fri 31 October 2014 07:28 GMT | 3:28 Local Time

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The visit will take place before the end of this month.
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani will arrive in Azerbaijan before the end of this month.

Oxu.Az reports citing SalamNews and IRNA that the statement came from the Iranian ambassador to Azerbaijan Mohsen Pak Ayin. In his speech at a ceremony in Bilesuvar city of Iranian province of Ardebil he said that the Iranian President will visit Baku before the end of this month.

The Iranian ambassador highly praised the meetings of the presidents Ilham Aliyev and Hassan Rouhani in Davos and Tehran. According to him, these meetings led to the growth and expansion of economic relationships.

News.Az



3. Georgia
Georgian Minister unhappy about unresolved Nagorno Karabakh
Sat 01 November 2014 07:39 GMT | 3:39 Local Time


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It’s too sad that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan still remains unsettled.
The statement came from Pata Zakareishvili, Georgian State Minister for Reconciliation and Civil Equality, during his meeting with Azerbaijani-speaking journalists in Georgia, APA’s Georgia bureau reports.

The minister mentioned that the OSCE Minsk Group is working to resolve the conflict.

“The Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents’ private meeting in Paris encourages us to believe there will be crucial advancements toward the settlement of this conflict. We’re convinced that the dynamic development of such meetings will soon give positive results,” he said.

News.Az
 
Something you people don't get, these negotiations has no real meaning, just a form of saying to mediators that "yes, we try". The two sides has very opposite demands, thus there can never be an agreement without a major compromise, which is impossible. Armenian side would not compromise its position just because of the diminishing balance between the two countries on paper, it has to be put into use by Azerbaijan.
 
is Armenia not hell bent on keeping NK? so why should it give back to Azerbaijan? If this deal would get through, it would favor Azerbaijan so much, right? why would Armenia want that Lachin corridor is NK is not theirs anymore to begin with? my knowledge about NK and its status is not extensive, my bad if i say silly stuff.

1. Economic Reason:
1. Armenia can no longer fund the war against Azerbaijan because of deep economical problems.
2. If Azerbaijan opens the border, it means a boom in Armenian economy


2. Social Issues:
1. High emigration rate of youth caused by isolation and economical reason, which has emptied many armenian villages, and smaller cities. It means less number of soldiers for their army as well.
2. recent limited civil unrests, related to point 1.



3. Russian factor:
1. Putin is serious in building his second USSR in terms of economic union, and also capturing, or influencing the ones do not agree. NK issue will impede this strategy.
2. Russian companies have already exploited Armenian economy, but, it is a very limited economy, and does not worth sacrificing their interests in Azerbaijan with 7.5 times of economy of Armenia, which her economy is even going to be doubled until 2020.
 
Read my post:

Also, see the map posted by @usernameless

Land Exchanges:
Karabagh, and Nagorno Karabagh >> Back to Azerbaijan, and Nagorno Karabagh receives highest autonomy
Lachin >> From Azerbaijan given to Armenia
Meghri >> From Armenia given to Azerbaijan

Oh I thought Azerbaijan would recognize Karabagh and give up on claims, if we are talking about autonomy then no wau Armenia would accept that solution.
 
Oh I thought Azerbaijan would recognize Karabagh and give up on claims, if we are talking about autonomy then no wau Armenia would accept that solution.

Well, I was not optimistic at all, after their first meetings in Russia and I firmly believed that it would be a useless meeting.
But, it seems that something has changed in the second round of meetings. Why? I don't know, maybe Putin's new strategy for building economic union, and expanding it, or maybe Azerbaijan has offered some economic package as well. Nothing is clear yet.
 
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