6 rebels killed in gunbattle in Indian Kashmir, army says

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Mind your lang freshi!

Look who is talking!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

where are the indians? didn't they say the movement was crushed and died out?

what did I say? musharraf extended his hand for peace at the cost of the lives of pakistanis. indians did not take it, now they will get a taste of their own medicine.

Dreaming?

Which Indian has said that cross border terrorism has been crushed?

If you want to get a brownie point, don't spin!

Let the medicine remain so since the surgery that maybe administered may prove fatal for some!

Quit baiting with your own nightmares!

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Yes, let them take revenge against the actual preparators, I mean the terrorists. Let them join the forces and fight against the terrorists who are the root cause of all this. A good example is Kashmiri who quit terrorism to join the Indian Army, and he really did avenge the death of his father. He is a hero and is awarded by the Indian Army.

Please, whatever, take your crap elsewhere. one kashmiri joining the indian army to avenge his father means squat. these so-called terrorists are fighting against human rights violations committed by the indian army, which you can't seem to recall.

Point is, the so called freedom struggle is political that was induced in 1989. Till then there was peace in the region.

If you support these terrorists under the shield of Islam, remember that more muslims will be targetted all over the world. All Indian muslims are well educated and do not support these terrorist activities, but still they are harassed whey they travel abroad and stay in foreign countries.

"all indian muslims are well educated", yeah whatever. how many jihadi groups exist in india?

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

With regard to human rights violations in Kashmir, all the concerned parties are equally at fault. So statements like "raped by an indian soldier," are highly uncalled for.

equally at fault? so am i supposed to believe that the insurgents are at fault for indian soldiers satisfying their sexual pleasure by gang-raping women?
Behind the Kashmir Conflict - The Ongoing Problem of Impunity (Human Rights Watch Report, July 1999)

And who gave you the idea that secular Muslims in India support "terrorism in Kashmir or elsewhere" because it is being carried out by "Muslim brothers to avenge the wrongs done to their fellow Muslims?" Frankly, most Muslim hardliners would also not "avenge their loved ones." And what vengeance are you talking about? Killing of innocents is vengeance?

you are totally denying what has happened in kashmir. it doesn't matter whether militants are brainwashed into launching campaigns against india, it is only through the acts of the indian army that these groups' power and influence spread.

Do you think these terrorists/fighters achieve something worthwhile? Do you think they help Kashmiris? Their ominous "zeal" and "presence" is what forces the Indian Army to maintain such heavy troop concentration. Their presence is what ensures that life does not remain normal in Kashmir.

like i said before, can anyone just forget or simply cast aside the fact that his mother, sister, or daughter was raped? You've only to ask yourself that and what you would do in that situation.

Let's face it, neither India nor Pakistan, regardless of the wishes of Kashmiris, want an independent Kashmir. An independent Kashmir is neither pragmatic nor plausible. Pakistan wants an independent Kashmir, so that sooner or later it could absorb it or assimilate it to a great degree.

so you admit that kashmir would easily be taken into pakistan if it becomes independent? I agree, they probably would go to pakistan if they gain independence, willingly.

By the way, the "indian" has a name.

by the way, i realized he was indian and was bringing his crap to this thread.
cheers!

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Dreaming?

Which Indian has said that cross border terrorism has been crushed?

you only have to check our previous threads on kashmir.

If you want to get a brownie point, don't spin!

Let the medicine remain so since the surgery that maybe administered may prove fatal for some!

Quit baiting with your own nightmares!

dude... what the hell are you talking about?
i'm starting to think english isn't your first language, is it?

 

[TALWAR]

Please, whatever, take your crap elsewhere. one kashmiri joining the indian army to avenge his father means squat. these so-called terrorists are fighting against human rights violations committed by the indian army, which you can't seem to recall.


"all indian muslims are well educated", yeah whatever. how many jihadi groups exist in india?

Read this link:

Large number of youths turn up for army recruitment- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

There are far less jihadi groups in India than our neighbouring countries. Well there are some misguided ones, and some outsiders staying in India. All these groups will be eliminated sooner or later.

 

[vish]

equally at fault? so am i supposed to believe that the insurgents are at fault for indian soldiers satisfying their sexual pleasure by gang-raping women?
Behind the Kashmir Conflict - The Ongoing Problem of Impunity (Human Rights Watch Report, July 1999)

you are totally denying what has happened in kashmir. it doesn't matter whether militants are brainwashed into launching campaigns against india, it is only through the acts of the indian army that these groups' power and influence spread.

Yes, equally at fault. I'm not denying that human rights violations have been done. All I'm saying is that all parties are equally guilty. J&K saw such massive deployments of military personnel only after the insurgency had become too big. The human rights violations were done by terrorists also. I just hope you are not neglecting that. As far as their (terrorist groups) influence is concerned, lack of other employment opportunities and brainwashing has more to do with it. I'm not saying that insurgents are to be blamed for the crimes done by some of my country's soldiers. All I'm saying is that these insurgents aren't holy either. The link which you have provided also mentions excesses done by the terrorists.

like i said before, can anyone just forget or simply cast aside the fact that his mother, sister, or daughter was raped? You've only to ask yourself that and what you would do in that situation.

I would get the man prosecuted; if not able to, I'd do what I see as just. But simply because some soldiers of the Indian Army indulge in such atrocities, why generalize the whole issue?

so you admit that kashmir would easily be taken into pakistan if it becomes independent? I agree, they probably would go to pakistan if they gain independence, willingly.

I'm not saying Kashmir will "willingly" merge with Pakistan. I said Pakistan wants an independent Kashmir, so that sooner or later it could absorb it or assimilate it to a great degree.

by the way, i realized he was indian and was bringing his crap to this thread.
cheers!

Who are you to judge whatever he has said is crap? Further, he hasn't said anything offensive.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Yes, equally at fault. I'm not denying that human rights violations have been done. All I'm saying is that all parties are equally guilty. J&K saw such massive deployments of military personnel only after the insurgency had become too big. The human rights violations were done by terrorists also. I just hope you are not neglecting that. As far as their (terrorist groups) influence is concerned, lack of other employment opportunities and brainwashing has more to do with it. I'm not saying that insurgents are to be blamed for the crimes done by some of my country's soldiers. All I'm saying is that these insurgents aren't holy either. The link which you have provided also mentions excesses done by the terrorists.

no one is saying militants are holy either. you've only to ask the kashmiris on this forum what they think. then again, some groups have their own agendas and different tactics. no one favours the killings of innocent civilians.

however, if we get into "who has done more to harm the kashmiri people?" the winner, without a doubt, would be the indian army. hatred of the army is what fuels the movements in kashmir.

I would get the man prosecuted; if not able to, I'd do what I see as just. But simply because some soldiers of the Indian Army indulge in such atrocities, why generalize the whole issue?

it's not a matter of generalization, it's a matter of numbers and statistics. thousands of women have been raped and they weren't raped by militants, let's not cast that aside. women have been raped in front of their parents, husbands, and children.
Kashmir Watch :: Human Rights Watch

what would you do if this happened to you? would you pick up arms to get what you want or have peaceful protests and engage in politics?

I'm not saying Kashmir will "willingly" merge with Pakistan. I said Pakistan wants an independent Kashmir, so that sooner or later it could absorb it or assimilate it to a great degree.

kashmir, if given a chance, WILL merge with pakistan WILLINGLY. we share identity, religion, culture, and sympathy. that's exactly why pakistan wants a plebiscite and india doesn't.

 

[vish]

no one is saying militants are holy either. you've only to ask the kashmiris on this forum what they think. then again, some groups have their own agendas and different tactics. no one favours the killings of innocent civilians.

however, if we get into "who has done more to harm the kashmiri people?" the winner, without a doubt, would be the indian army. hatred of the army is what fuels the movements in kashmir.

Says who? I still believe every party is equally responsible.

it's not a matter of generalization, it's a matter of numbers and statistics. thousands of women have been raped and they weren't raped by militants, let's not cast that aside. women have been raped in front of their parents, husbands, and children.
Kashmir Watch :: Human Rights Watch

what would you do if this happened to you? would you pick up arms to get what you want or have peaceful protests and engage in politics?

I told you what my course of action would be. I'm not arguing against the scale of these crimes. But, what you are doing is generalization.

kashmir, if given a chance, WILL merge with pakistan WILLINGLY. we share identity, religion, culture, and sympathy. that's exactly why pakistan wants a plebiscite and india doesn't.

I doubt so. Any "merger" won't be "willingly."

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Says who? I still believe every party is equally responsible.
I told you what my course of action would be. I'm not arguing against the scale of these crimes. But, what you are doing is generalization.
I doubt so. Any "merger" won't be "willingly."

and i'm supposed to be moved by your posts? is it supposed to have some effect on me?

let's not get to the point where we discard logic and show our love for india.
this is exactly why I have fun un-masking indian fanatics from bharat-rakshak who come to this forum with the "moderate" act.

They only appear to be unbiased in their views, but when it comes straight down to facts and knowledge we hear shouts of "jai hind!".

 

[Myth_buster_1]

These terrorist's should be slaughtered like pigs and their bodies given to vulchers.

Look who is talking!

how would you feel if i said your family should be "slaughtered like pigs and their bodies given to vulchers?"

 

[vish]

and i'm supposed to be moved by your posts? is it supposed to have some effect on me?

let's not get to the point where we discard logic and show our love for india.
this is exactly why I have fun un-masking indian fanatics from bharat-rakshak who come to this forum with the "moderate" act.

They only appear to be unbiased in their views, but when it comes straight down to facts and knowledge we hear shouts of "jai hind!".

No, I don't expect you to be moved by my posts. The only expectation I have is that you stop harbouring prejudice. I'm also suggesting that you refrain from personal attacks.

As far as me being a “BRF Indian fanatic" is concerned, the primary reason why I joined this forum is because it is unbiased.

As far as the term "Jai Hind," is concerned, I use it as and when I see it as appropriate.

 

[Mohammed Azizuddin]

no one is saying militants are holy either. you've only to ask the kashmiris on this forum what they think. then again, some groups have their own agendas and different tactics. no one favours the killings of innocent civilians.

however, if we get into "who has done more to harm the kashmiri people?" the winner, without a doubt, would be the indian army. hatred of the army is what fuels the movements in kashmir.



it's not a matter of generalization, it's a matter of numbers and statistics. thousands of women have been raped and they weren't raped by militants, let's not cast that aside. women have been raped in front of their parents, husbands, and children.
Kashmir Watch :: Human Rights Watch

what would you do if this happened to you? would you pick up arms to get what you want or have peaceful protests and engage in politics?


kashmir, if given a chance, WILL merge with pakistan WILLINGLY. we share identity, religion, culture, and sympathy. that's exactly why pakistan wants a plebiscite and india doesn't.

Yes, India also wants a plebiscite, and it should be done in the whole of Kashmir, including the Pakistan occupied Kashmir and China occupied Kashmir, why only in the Indian Kashimr?? Is the other two not Kashmir, let there be voting in the whole of Kashmir!!!!

 

[Neo]

let's not get to the point where we discard logic and show our love for india.
this is exactly why I have fun un-masking indian fanatics from bharat-rakshak who come to this forum with the "moderate" act.

They only appear to be unbiased in their views, but when it comes straight down to facts and knowledge we hear shouts of "jai hind!".

Asaad,
We don't harbour prejudice here nor is this forum a mouthpiece to bash other fora. Whats said in BRF or IDF stays there, its none of our business.
As long as our members respect our forum rules we'll respect them. Thats the strength of this forum.

Thanks!
Neo

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I can understand your feelings. Who do you think is innocent, the 160 people who died when Benazir Bhutto entered Pakistan, or the bastard who put the bomb ?

Ha Ha. My family is no terrorist, and I am unfazed by your illeterate comments. Are the terrorist you family members ? Then why are you soo irritated when I comment about those basterds.

We are from the land of the great Akbar and Ashoka. All terrorists coming here will slaughtered like pigs and their bodies will be used as manure to make our land fertile.

Did I ever mention anywhere that all terrorists are innocent?? and is their even a question to ask who is innocent the 160 innocent people or the bomber? This is the thing that ZIONISTs agenda has been working in the minds of such thick brains of yours, so eventually all Muslim freedom fighters become terrorists and the terrorists become heroes!