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well 1st of mr jayron or shd i saw einstein well you dont know abt Taliban 1st of they are freedom fighters why they are fighting cz afg is their country their motherland how can they let some one else come and kill their childerns and other family when a drone kill some one that dosnt mean he is a terrorist ( same like Kashmir ) y call them terrorist =)) cz they are fighting for their motherland same thing and abt taliban i have many afg friends how came to norway mostly taliban's wasnt that bad how much media has made them even some people were also using their fake name
 
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The cost of war for USA in afganistan is one of the cheapest as % of GDP(of all wars she fought) and casualty.
To give you a perspective:
Vietnam war: 10 years: 47355 casualty, 2.3 percent of GDP
War on terror: 10 years: 6280, casualty, 1.2 percent of GDP

Most of the casualties in afganistan is not because of skirmishes with taliban but because of IEDs.
USA need some technological breakthrough/improve afgan security forces to turn the tide.

Your calculations are not right. 1.2% of GDP? Are you kidding? That comes out to just 100 billion dollars which US is spending for every 4 months of this war. According to most economist the cost of war is in trillions of dollars and it is closer to 100% of US GDP than 1%. Go check figures first. US has gone bankrupt and without Chinese support will go hungry today. That is the cost of war.
 
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...That the entire Iranian Air Force can be grounded for hours if not days on the first day of a hypothetical air war between US and Iran. Same precision strikes can be made against Iranian Navy targets. And please do not bring up that silly argument about 'invasion'. We do not need to invade Iran in order to bring the Iranian military to its knees. Political goals determine military objectives. See if you can figure that one out.

Did Serbia have a nuclear program, chemical and biological program, Medium range ballistic missiles and shore based long range anti-ship missiles and long cruise missiles aimed at oil fields supplying half of the world. I do not think so. Serbia was a country at a civil war and US just took sides there. Iran will pulverize the world's energy corridor and US can not do a damn thing to stop it. Precision guided destruction of energy supply. Much more effective than digging holes in airports as US was doing in Serbia.
 
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I find this thread disturbing.

1. Wars are not won on death count! an army may lose every last man it has, but still win the war! it is about strategic objectives.. you guys forgotten about that? more than 17.000.000 russians died during WWII.. but they won the war !!

2. Wars similarly are not won on finance. The US are not trying to kill every taliban out there. And you must know that it is a bit hard knowing when a guy walking next to you in the morning, is going to be shelling you at night ! that is the quirk of assymetrical warfare.

3. If we are going to say this about the taliban and the US, the same can be said about he heroic partizans of Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway and France during WWII.. the thing with partizans is that no army in the history of the world, ever has clearly defeated them. Armies are meant and made to fight other armies. Not partizan tactics.

that is why the whole money vs taliban killed is not such a good way of measuring success of the war ... money never is a way of measuring the success of a war.

No matter how much technology they use still the counter insurgency is going to be cheaper. This is the reality. You can make more expensive armor but IED's can get bigger too. Anyways, as for Afghan Army taking over, again that is just not correct. As can be see here, Afghan army has a desertion rate of over 25% per year and it is a very poorly trained army and will never be able to protect American interests. If Americans can not protect themselves how come Afghans will be able to do it.

U.S. Government officials regularly rail against something they call “the Qods Force (QF),” which they contend is a special operations unit of “the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC).” Both of these terms are U.S. inventions. There is no entity called “the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps,” nor is there a sub-unit of the IRGC called “the Qods Force.” This is all part of a psychological warfare effort by U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials targeting the American public.
The Iranian Constitution established an organization, which in Farsi is pronounced “Sepah-e Pasdaran-e Enqelab-e Islami.” The correct English translation is “The Army of Guardians of the Islamic Revolution.” It is commonly referred to within Iran either as “Sepah” or “Pasdaran.”
Within the Pasdaran is a smaller externally functioning organization similar to U.S. Special Forces Command. Its name in Farsi is “Niru-e Qods,” which translates into “The Jerusalem Force.”
U.S. officials apparently looked at both organizations and determined that they could not use their correct names because Army of Guardians and Jerusalem Force tend to invoke sympathetic reactions. The U.S. Government wanted to instill fear and flame anti-Iranian sentiment. In order to do that it had to demonize its opponents. It decided to simply rename the Army of Guardians as “Iranian revolutionary guards” which invokes memories in Americans of the notorious Chinese “red guards” and the violent “peoples’ revolutionary strike force” from the popular Dirty Harry movies. Regarding Niru-e Qods, it decided to create a hybrid term consisting of one Farsi and one English word and created “the Qods Force.” The unfamiliar term “Qods” sounds sinister in English.
This is the same tactic that these officials used successfully regarding the organization established by Usama bin Laden. Its correct name is “al-Qaedat al-Jihan” or “the base of struggle.” That also is a sympathetic name, so U.S. officials renamed it simply “al-Qaeda,” (the base). That term invokes suspicion and fear. It begs the question: “The base for what?” A search of the entire on-line data-files for the U.S. State Department reveals no mention of the full name of this organization. Even in criminal court proceedings, the U.S. Justice Department is fearful of and never uses the correct legal name (al-Qaedat al-Jihan), even when charging people with being members of this group. U.S. courts have permitted the Justice Department to use propaganda and fear rather than facts in order to help obtain convictions.
Demonizing ones enemy is a tactic that has been used for thousands of years by governments as a device to coax a reluctant population into supporting a war effort. It is regrettable that the Obama Administration would embrace such a tactic.
One of the many problems with inventing terms is that ignorant U.S. officials have the potential to misuse foreign terms that they do not understand. For example, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in an October 11, 2011, interview with the Associated Press, vaguely used the terms “Qods Force and Departments of the Qods Force.” It is important for U.S. officials to carefully distinguish those who they are labeling as terrorists from all other things Qods. There is Qods University, the al-Qods Hospital in Gaza and even the Qods Department Store in Tehran. Hopefully there are more knowledgeable officials in the CIA who are targeting the correct Qods (i.e., Niru-e Qods assassins and not Qods check-out clerks). This is the same problem with the U.S. Government’s announced war in eastern Afghanistan against what it sloppily calls “the Haqqanis.” Haqqani is a common regional name. Even Pakistan’s ambassador to the United State has the last name Haqqani. Labeling all Haqqanis as terrorists is unprofessional and dangerous.
It is not simply the invention of words that betrays the unsophistication of the American effort, but some U.S. officials do not know how to pronounce the terms they have invented, which reflects poorly on the United States. Last week General Jack Keane testified as an Iranian expert before the House Subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence. In his prepared anti-Iranian remarks he pronounced Qods as “Cuds” (as in a cow that chews its cud). In Farsi, Qods is pronounced as a sharp “Kh” as in the English word “could.”
During the past three years the U.S. Government has turned to its anti-terrorism laws as a propaganda tool against Iran. The U.S. Treasury Department has labeled individual officials in what it calls the “IRGC/QF” as terrorists. Part of the justification is alleged human rights abuses by these individuals and their organization. However, at the same time there are no such designations for officials of the National Security Service (NSS), the brutal secret police force that keeps Uzbek dictator Islam Karimov in power. Karimov and his family are friends of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton, therefore the terror the NSS inflicts on the Uzbek people is ignored. It weakens the case against Niru-e Qods leaders if it appears that they are being arbitrarily labeled as terrorists solely because they are not U.S. allies.
In their fervor to demonize the Iranians, U.S. officials have failed to study their adversary with sufficient care. On March 21, 2010, Miles Amoore of The Sunday Times reported that Niru-e Qods had established a training facility in eastern Iran to train selected Taliban insurgents. The training program was described as lasting 15 weeks, which is longer than the basic training provided by NATO to Afghan forces. The Iranian training is performed in smaller groups and the ratio of trainers to students is virtually one to one. That contrasts with the mass production techniques employed by NATO in which one trainer may be training 100 or more recruits. The extensive amount of personal attention provided by the Iranians reflects its preference of quality over quantity. Also unlike NATO, the Iranians provide no weapons systems and equipment to their allies that they cannot maintain and sustain. The Iranians know that insurgency and counter-insurgency programs require time and patience. Pentagon and NATO officials would be well-served to consider copying the Iranian methods as the Iranian methods do produce results.
On January 29, 2010, Secretary Clinton, at the end of the London Conference on Afghanistan, told French news agency AFP:
“We expect a lot of the foot soldiers on the battlefield will be leaving the Taliban because many of them have wanted to leave, many of them are tired of fighting.”
Secretary Clinton was correct about large numbers soldiers being tired of fighting, but she was speaking about the wrong army. Since January 2010, it is her side that has been leaving the battlefield. The desertion rate within the Afghan National Army is about 25% per year. Since Secretary Clinton’s remarks, approximately seven divisions (70,000 Afghan troops) have deserted. Essentially the entire Afghan army deserts every four years. These statistics should have impressed on U.S. officials an appreciation for the Iranian program and a realization that NATO mass production training techniques merely lead to mass desertions; but that message has so far failed to resonate.
The current official U.S. ignorance about Iran is not a new phenomenon. The State Department ignorantly supported the coup that returned Shah Reza Pahlavi to power and blindly supported his brutal secret police, the SAVAK, which kept him in power. It negotiated a much-criticized immunity agreement with the Shah which allowed almost 100,000 American contractors to operate in Iran with complete immunity from Iranian laws. That agreement led to many abuses which fed support for Iranian opposition groups; a consequence that the State Department refused to recognize in time and correct. Likewise, as detailed below, the State Department previously supported a decadent and highly unpopular Qajar Shah (Mohammad Ali Shah) at the turn of the last century. U.S. Government policy and the desires of the American people have not always been the same regarding Iran.
Historically the Persian and American peoples have always had close ties. During its time of need, individual Americans did come to Iran’s assistance. During its famous Constitutional revolution, which lasted from 1905-1911, Americans such as Howard Conklin Baskerville traveled to Iran (then still called Persia). Baskerville initially taught at a missionary school in Tabriz but in 1908, he decided to fight under the command of Persian rebel leader Sattar Khan who was battling Russian and Qajar forces during the siege of Tabriz. Interestingly, the U.S. Consular General in Tabriz (Edward Doty) reportedly attempted to persuade Baskerville not to get involved, but he ignored the State Department and proceeded to form a militia of over 100 volunteers. On April 19, 1909, Howard Baskerville was shot in the heart by a sniper as he was attempting to bring food into the besieged city of Tabriz. He had just celebrated his 24th birthday. Howard Conklin Baskerville is remembered and well regarded in Iran to this day. These are many such stories of each country’s citizens helping the other. Perhaps too much effort is being spent by both governments to push both sides apart.

Afghanistan, Iran and United States ....
 
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I remember that same 'prediction' prior to my deployment to Desert Storm. Yeah...Yeah...Iran is not Iraq...Whatever that mean. I can see the same stale response. I can also see a lot of 'Baghdad Bobs' here.
Hey but what if Iran had secret nukes??? will Israel still gonna stay??....:eek:
 
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Another extremely stupid analysis. The comments in this thread alone prove that how gullible people can be. I think that the DAJJAL will have a field-day in this world filled with fools.

The cost of US military operation is high because of logistics. Just try to imagine the cost and challenges of deploying an entire combat force thousands of miles away from your homeland in an alien country and maintain non-stop supplies.

In addition, US is occupying a large country. This is very difficult task in modern times because societies are enormous in size and even cheap weapons are very dangerous and effective.

Other then this, it takes only bullets to kill Taliban soldiers in the open field. However, Taliban forces utilize Afghan territory and other stealthy tactics to maximize their effectiveness. US forces are forced to rely on heavy and expensive weaponry to counter these moves in response.

Furthermore, advanced technology is never cheap. And soldier expenditure doubles during wartime. This is true for all professional military forces in the world. Soldiers are not like paid mercernaries, which Taliban is mostly comprised of in current times.

US military is certainly the most capable and best in the world. However, this does not makes it invincible.

Still US military has suffered extremely low losses compared to times of COLD WAR and WORLD WARS. This is testament to exceptional capabilities of US armed forces.
 
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Another extremely stupid analysis. The comments in this thread alone prove that how gullible people can be. I think that the DAJJAL will have a field-day in this world filled with fools.
This analysis is simplistic, but economics are backbones for any army. Cant shrug off trillions spend when country is on the verge of bankruptcy. And lets not even go for humane side, in the last 60 years there is no more aggressive and brutal country than US.

Still US military has suffered extremely low losses compared to times of COLD WAR and WORLD WARS. This is testament to exceptional capabilities of US armed forces.
Relative low loses are not just because of US capabilities, but also due to geography (most enemies cant strike back on US soil), and to even greater extent - choosing of weak opponents, AND coercing alies to participate in US wars. Do you think US would suffer low losses against China? Lets forget such superpowers, how about Iran? The blood would flow in rivers, from both sides.
 
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This analysis is simplistic, but economics are backbones for any army. Cant shrug off trillions spend when country is on the verge of bankruptcy. And lets not even go for humane side, in the last 60 years there is no more aggressive and brutal country than US.
Economy was there. However, recession sealed the fate.

I agree that USA is one of the most brutal nations in the history of this world in the light of foreign affairs. This nation has imperialistic mindset. This needs to change and even US citizens have started to realize this.

Relative low loses are not just because of US capabilities, but also due to geography (most enemies cant strike back on US soil), and to even greater extent - choosing of weak opponents, AND coercing alies to participate in US wars. Do you think US would suffer low losses against China? Lets forget such superpowers, how about Iran? The blood would flow in rivers, from both sides.
Iran is nothing but another media hype. US will simply use more powerful weapons against Iranians to subdue them.

China is enormous both territory wise and population. In modern times, it is impossible to occupy it. What US can do is occupy important regions and bomb the **** out of others. But China is safe because it can fight back much more effectively then any Islamic nation in the world and can also send some missiles flying in to US cities.

Top US military officials have often stated that US forces can exterminate any society in war in the similar fashion as often depicted in Sci-Fi movies. However, this is not the objective of any war that US engages in. This kind of move will alienate US in the entire world.

Russia is the only nation in the world which can stop US rampage because of its enormous nuclear arsenal. How long this advantage will remain in the light of evolving ABM systems, remains to be seen.
 
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Yup, the US lost and bungled its way to being known worldwide as the superpower.

We are actually very weak, not worthy of respect in any field. :)

Everything the US says originated there actually were invented by immigrants who traveled to the US, can you believe it?!:argh:

Yes there is absolutely nothing to fear, nothing to be careful of. It boggles belief that Pakistan cannot stop such a weak and cowardly country from bombing within its annexed territory. When this weak power sells arms to Taiwan, Mighty China can only scream. It absolutely boggles belief that the US even exists as a single country! Did you know that the US has had 7 years of rough political gridlock? It is a given that this will continue for the next 20 years, we are so screwed!

Yes please don't mind the US, they are a weak, fractured, innefficient and overall moronic, ignorant, and unimaginative people. This talk of lasers, railguns, robots and travel to mars is all fake or unreasonable with this deadlock that will continue forever.

This weak and brutal country only happened to think up the idea of a United Nations after the horror of World War 2 by chance, this doesn't change that they are a brutal country that bathes in the blood of innocents and would annex the world under its brutal dictatorial rule if given the chance!

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Iran is nothing but another media hype. US will simply use more powerful weapons against Iranians to subdue them.

US cant subdue Iran, it can however occupy it temporarily. What "more powerful weapons" you are speaking about? WMD Husein tried, didnt worked. Conventional bombing? Wont work either. Considering how motivated and sufficiently armed Iranians are, it will be 100x worse for US compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. Hence US (or NATO) beating Iran in prolonged war is highly unlikely (they cant even eradicate 1000 times less geared and low numbered muhajeens), unless they destroy the country with nuclear bombs.

Top US military officials have often stated that US forces can exterminate any society in war in the similar fashion as often depicted in Sci-Fi movies. However, this is not the objective of any war that US engages in. This kind of move will alienate US in the entire world.
Sure, with atom bombs, but US isnt the only one with it, and would face mushrooms clouds itself if they try extermination of entire societies with nuclear bombs.
 
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US cant subdue Iran, it can however occupy it temporarily. What "more powerful weapons" you are speaking about? WMD Husein tried, didnt worked. Conventional bombing? Wont work either. Considering how motivated and sufficiently armed Iranians are, it will be 100x worse for US compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. Hence US (or NATO) beating Iran in prolonged war is highly unlikely (they cant even eradicate 1000 times less geared and low numbered muhajeens), unless they destroy the country with nuclear bombs.
Bro, in which world do you live?

Iran is just like another Iraq for USA. Remember Iran - Iraq war of 8 years? Iranians showed determination but that was not enough to win the war.

In comparison, US forces overran Iraq in just 21 days. There is enormous technological gap between US and Iranian military forces.

US will have no issues in destroying Iran.

Yes, under present circumstances, the objective of US would be to decisively defeat Iranian forces and leave. Under strong economic conditions, US can easily occpy Iran.

Sure, with atom bombs, but US isnt the only one with it, and would face mushrooms clouds itself if they try extermination of entire societies with nuclear bombs.
Again, you have no idea of conventional military capabilities of USA.

If you have no bothered, USA fought 3 major wars similtaneously in WOT. And it accomplished this without even utilizing half of its military assets.

Now imagine how much firepower USA possesses. Forget about nuclear weapons.
 
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Iran is just like another Iraq for USA. Remember Iran - Iraq war of 8 years? Iranians showed determination but that was not enough to win the war.

In comparison, US forces overran Iraq in just 21 days. There is enormous technological gap between US and Iranian military forces.

Maybe. But you also have to take into account that Iran in that war was largely alone but Iraq had the backing of both Russian block as well as American block. Infact Russian, French and American advisers were based for the duration of that war there and helped Saddam throughout. Whatever little "help" Iran had was not consequential for their war effort and only included few plane loads of sabotaged equipment. Also one must not forget since Saddam did not have a navy United States had given its naval services to Saddam and for duration of the war Iranian navy was actually fighting off Americans.
 
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and what about the retaliation ?
Did Iraq managed to retaliate?

Dozens of Fajr 3 and Shahab series missiles will be hitting Tel Aviv after then ! :lol: How will US of A save her illegitimate child then ?
Israel can take care of herself. Considering the fact that the Israelis managed to fend off the combined armies of several muslim countries, Israel will be able to retaliate against Iran.

How are you so sure that Iran doesn't have nuclear warheads ?
Because Iran has not a test detonation. Like it or not, the only way to be certain that an indigenous nuclear weapons program is a success is to have a test detonation.

If it even possesses one , then Israel can say Good Bye to its very own existence since it has no such thing as strategic depth :P Iran can sustain many nuclear attacks but can Israel do the same for even one ? Ask yourself ...
If Iran has only one and uses it, that will spell the end of Iran as a nation-state. All of the ME will rally against Iran.
 
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If Iran has only one and uses it, that will spell the end of Iran as a nation-state. All of the ME will rally against Iran.

But there will be no Israel either, if Iran got a chance to use Nuke against Israel. and the ME ..Iran don't even gives a damn about them...what they got in their hands ...nothing they are just sheeps reared by the shepherds.....:smokin:
 
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But there will be no Israel either, if Iran got a chance to use Nuke against Israel. and the ME ..Iran don't even gives a damn about them...what they got in their hands ...nothing they are just sheeps reared by the shepherds.....:smokin:
Both Fat Man and Little Boy did not destroyed Japan.
 
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