4- Type 054 Frigates from China, Pakistan's next Goal

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

4 of these





Experts Agree that this ship will GREATLY enhance Pakistan's navy's capacity to provide Air defence for its fleet with these babies -

 

[Kompromat]

I have heard about it but what do you say if there is any authentic news about any negotiation in place for procurement ?

 

[Adios Amigo]

AZADPAKISTAN2009

You have spent quite sometime on this forum and now have become a senior member. When so ever you want to start a new thread etc please base your claim on some qualified source, give a link, a reference etc, so that your thread becomes worthy of healthy discussion, otherwise it will only help to make the forum a rumor-ville.
I am suggesting this because its not the first time it happened, earlier today you started similar thread about further F-16 procurement, which is totally baseless. And from senior member which you are now, we expect a lot more maturity.

Other then that, thanks for sharing the awesome pictures.
Hope you can take the message in a positive way.








Adios

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

AZADPAKISTAN2009

You have spent quite sometime on this forum and now have become a senior member. When so ever you want to start a new thread etc please base your claim on some qualified source, give a link, a reference etc, so that your thread becomes worthy of healthy discussion, otherwise it will on help to make the forum a rumorville.
I am suggesting this because its not the first time it happened, earlier today you started similar thread about further F-16 procurement, which is totally baseless. And from senior member which you are now, we expect a lot more maturity.

Other then that, thanks for sharing the awesome pictures.
Hope you can take the message in a positive way.








Adios

REFERENCE: 36 Block C/D F16

Article: Pakistan Seeking 36 F-16 C/D Aircraft, Weapons, Upgrades, And... | AccessMyLibrary - Promoting library advocacy

Pakistan is seeking to purchase 36 Lockheed Martin [LMT] F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft along with associated equipment and services for a potential value of $3 billion if all options are exercised, according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).

Additionally, Pakistan is seeking $2.1 billion in sales of F-16 mid-life update modification kits, F-16 engine modifications and Falcon UP/STAR structural changes and weapons for the F-16 C/D Block 50/52 aircraft.

In 2005, Pakistan planned to buy 55 Block 50/52 F-16s along with an optional buy of 20 more. However, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf cancelled the purchase following the October earthquake near the Kashmir border, a Lockheed Martin official said in November (Defense Daily, Dec. 1).


Reference #2

http://www.aviationweek.co.uk/aw/ge...Raises Questions About F-16 Sales To Pakistan

Michael Fabey

A Congressional Research Service (CRS) report questions whether the Bush Administration's proposed $3 billion sale of 36 F-16 C/D Block 50/52 combat jets to Pakistan will help that country better battle terrorists or help solidify the American military aircraft manufacturing base as promised.

"The Block 50/52 variant that is being proposed for export is the most advanced version of the F-16 flown by U.S. military forces," writes CRS aviation analyst Christopher Bolkcom in his July 6 report, "Combat Aircraft Sales to South Asia: Potential Implications."

Bolkcom adds, "It incorporates advanced weapons and avionics for air-to-air combat that appear unnecessary for counterinsurgency operations. Less expensive and less sophisticated aircraft such as attack helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, and combat search and rescue aircraft would appear to have greater utility in combating insurgents and other non-state actors than supersonic fighter aircraft."

 

[graphican]

Are these in addition to 8 F-22P frigates or the next 4 F-22p has been converted to these better types? By the way where's the source of this news?

 

[Adios Amigo]

REFERENCE: 36 Block C/D F16

Article: Pakistan Seeking 36 F-16 C/D Aircraft, Weapons, Upgrades, And... | AccessMyLibrary - Promoting library advocacy

Pakistan is seeking to purchase 36 Lockheed Martin [LMT] F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft along with associated equipment and services for a potential value of $3 billion if all options are exercised, according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).

Additionally, Pakistan is seeking $2.1 billion in sales of F-16 mid-life update modification kits, F-16 engine modifications and Falcon UP/STAR structural changes and weapons for the F-16 C/D Block 50/52 aircraft.

In 2005, Pakistan planned to buy 55 Block 50/52 F-16s along with an optional buy of 20 more. However, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf cancelled the purchase following the October earthquake near the Kashmir border, a Lockheed Martin official said in November (Defense Daily, Dec. 1).

The article is from 2006 and i am sure you haven't even checked the date before posting. Apart from that it has no where mentioned that Pakistan is going to exercise the right of buying optional 18 Block 52s.



Post Edit
the second source is also from 2006 and suffers from the same fallacy.





adios

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Now here is something interesting 3 UK based destroyers
Reference:
Pakistan in the frame for Type 42 destroyers


Pakistan in the frame for Type 42 destroyers

By Richard Scott

27 May 2009




The UK and Pakistan are discussing a deal under which the Pakistan Navy (PN) could acquire up to three Type 42 Batch 3 destroyers following their retirement from the Royal Navy (RN), Jane's has learned.



Meanwhile, Pakistan is conducting a separate dialogue with the United States regarding the availability of additional FFG 7 frigates, as the PN looks to recapitalise a large part of its surface combatant force through second-hand acquisitions.

The PN frigate force currently comprises six ex-RN Type 21s constituting the 25th Destroyer Squadron. Transferred between 1993 and 1994, these ships – now known as the Tariq class – have undergone significant modernisation since transfer, but all are now over 30 years old and becoming increasingly difficult to support.

Pakistan also has four F22P frigates on order from China with the first, Zulfiquar, due to be accepted into service later this year.
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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Frigates 054A source

Reference:
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Naval Chief seeks more cooperation with China

Naval Chief seeks more cooperation with China PDF Print E-mail

BEIJING, Dec 22 (APP): The Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir has said that he looks forward to see more cooperation between China and Pakistan specially in the field of submarine construction.In addition to submarines, the admiral told China Daily that he has talked to Chinese officials regarding buying of larger ships than the current F22P frigates.The China Daily in an interview of the Naval Chief published on Tuesday said Pakistan ordered the F22P frigates from China in 2005. The first, of the four F22P frigates ordered by Pakistan, was delivered in July this year and is already in service.

“The F22P frigate is about 3,000 tons, and now we are talking of 4,000-ton ships. These are big projects and we think the cooperation is important for both the countries.”

Admiral Bashir highly praised the standard of Chinese military technology, saying that China is keeping pace with the changing world and efficiently adopted new technologies.

He said the warships are of the latest technology, and have the all-round capability to target surface ships, aircraft and submarines.

“The F22P frigate can be deployed to complete multi tasks. The ship is balanced for offense and defense, and can be used in both peace and war.”

The admiral said this was his third visit to China this year because Pakistan attaches great importance to its cooperation with China not only regarding naval matters but in other fields also.

He said the F22P and JF-17 Thunder fighter planes are the two major projects in addition to others including development of ammunition, design, equipment and weapons.

The admiral said his country plans to buy more weapons from China in the future, such as bigger ships and missiles.

Zhai Dequan, deputy director of China Arms Control and Disarmament Association said that Pakistan’s proposal for cooperation in the field of submarines is aimed at protecting its sea borders.

Secondary Source (Indirect US Media)
Another user on another defence forum heard the same news on US news source
that the negotiations have been completed for 3-4 ships for Pakistan

Reference: http://forum.********************/index.php?showtopic=86345&mode=threaded&pid=1198176

 

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[TaimiKhan]

Azad, what is the need to repeat same old news multiple another time ??

We have discussed in detail all the above things extensively in old threads, which are still present there.

You opened up the F-16 Blk 52 thread, by saying just a rumor you have heard and then you paste here 2006 articles, which every Pakistani knows, that we had 36 F-16 Blk 52s options, which we did not exercise and bought just 18, leaving the other 18 aside.

Give a 2010 link which says this new from any official source, or the thread gets closed or merged with old threads.

Same with the 4 Type-054s, discussed multiple times, but no confirm news yet, just rumors from defence experts kind of people.

And what about thhis British ships ??? Haven't you heard or what ?? Those ships have already been bought by someone else, after PN gave a very low biding price, and someone else with high bid price got the ships, so what is the reason for these old outdated news and making new threads ???

Give valid reasons or both threads are gone.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Azad, what is the need to repeat same old news multiple another time ??

We have discussed in detail all the above things extensively in old threads, which are still present there.

You opened up the F-16 Blk 52 thread, by saying just a rumor you have heard and then you paste here 2006 articles, which every Pakistani knows, that we had 36 F-16 Blk 52s options, which we did not exercise and bought just 18, leaving the other 18 aside.

Give a 2010 link which says this new from any official source, or the thread gets closed or merged with old threads.

Same with the 4 Type-054s, discussed multiple times, but no confirm news yet, just rumors from defence experts kind of people.

And what about thhis British ships ??? Haven't you heard or what ?? Those ships have already been bought by someone else, after PN gave a very low biding price, and someone else with high bid price got the ships, so what is the reason for these old outdated news and making new threads ???

Give valid reasons or both threads are gone.

np I was intriged by the new F22P & 054A deals , and alot of people are confused about the two platforms , there are actually two deals taking place based on above articles so its easier for ppl to track them both , F22P is TOT , while 054A is not a TOT ...

Yes the bristish news was something I was not aware off I just saw that on defence location - I never heard about it so I posted it to get feedback on if anyone knew about it

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pak navy lost the british navy frigates due to a very low bid.

 

[fatman17]

the next surface ships to be inducted will be the Perry class frigates from the US. the first of three is due around August 2010 followed by one each in 2011 and 2012 after upgrades.

 

[TOPGUN]

This has been talked about before we need real proof or source for this deal ...

 

[fatman17]

This has been talked about before we need real proof or source for this deal ...

its a done deal - the source is Jane's Navy International - I can post the extract as the subscription is a paid one!