3rd Khordad is base HQ-16 ?

[925boy]

we should focus on indigenous sams like iran did and should learn from iran instead of importing them from china when dollar is already high

F $, go $btc. oops..

3rd khordad max range is 105 km. these two are different systems.


15th khordad has new configuration.
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15th Khordad looks kind of like a mini-patriot system..

 

[SOHEIL]

F $, go $btc. oops..


15th Khordad looks kind of like a mini-patriot system..

Mini !?

Same size...

 

[rugi]

Buk-m2 is obsolete and it is not suitable for Iran to learn (Obsolete control chamber with CRT technology, transistors), relations between China and Iran are quite good, Iran also bought many Chinese air defense systems like HQ-2, HQ-7

3rd khordad is similar to HQ-16 except that it uses tilting launcher like the Buk M2

 

[SOHEIL]

relations between China and Iran are quite good

Not at all ... China always been an unreliable country for Iran !

When we bought C-802 cruise missiles licence you refused to transfer guidance systems to Iran and we developed them from scratch !!!

China looks at Iran as a golden card against United States and doesn't care about dignity !

 

[WinterNights]

Buk-m2 is obsolete and it is not suitable for Iran to learn (Obsolete control chamber with CRT technology, transistors),

What is this comment even suppose to mean? You're talking as if 3rd of khordad is Buk-m2 These two systems are similar only in layout.

Also, you seem to forget that people believe this Chinese hq-16 it self was made from reverse engineering the Buk. obviously with changes made.

Iran also bought many Chinese air defense systems like HQ-2, HQ-7

That was decades ago when Iran was in desperate need of air defence systems and did not have an indigenous capability yet. Like I said, today Iran has no need for help from China in air defence. The area China can help Iran is airforce.

3rd khordad is similar to HQ-16 except that it uses tilting launcher like the Buk M2

Obviously you seem to lack even basic processing skills?
These two systems are almost nothing alike.

Iranian 3rd of khordad is definitely more advanced than this HQ-16.

1- The chinese system uses the jy-11b radar whereas the Iranian 3rd of khordad not only uses a Bashir radar, but it also uses an AESA radar.
2- The range of the missiles used in 3rd of khordad go to as much as 100km+ which is more than any missile used in this HQ-16.
3- The 3rd of khordad is more tactical, mobile and has less footprint.

It defies logic how anyone can even assume these systems are related when they're so different in many ways. The only thing similar between them is that one of their radars is similar in layout. That's it.

 

[Sineva]

A round canister design helps against high pressures of a cold start. The Patriot canister is a proven, mature design for any hot start missile with x-wing layout (least material usage). Stack them, store them put them on ground, even let them fall. A rigid and sealed design.

Yes,plus iran already had familiarity with the production of box launchers due to its anti ship cruise missile production,with the only real difference being the sam canisters use of blow out panels rather than opening lids.

if they build a naval version of the system , they stack nicely for vertical launch

Yes,this should really be a top priority for the navy,to adapt either adapt one of the new complete systems or more likely perhaps parts of some of the new systems to produce a new modern naval sam

 

[Mithridates]

Buk-m2 is obsolete and it is not suitable for Iran to learn (Obsolete control chamber with CRT technology, transistors), relations between China and Iran are quite good, Iran also bought many Chinese air defense systems like HQ-2, HQ-7

3rd khordad is similar to HQ-16 except that it uses tilting launcher like the Buk M2

dude if it was HQ-16 then why we would change it's appearances?? our air defense development started by reverse engineering hawk system along with buk, hq-2 and tartar fire control systems along with rim-66 standard. in last 10-15 years we maded sayyad AD and that was start of our indigenous designs.
sayyad ADS:

tartar FCS:

AN/SPG-51 radar

AN/SPG-60 radar

our air defences at early stages were copy of US naval ADs, then we made najm AESA radars and after that talash systems and 15th khordad and one day hopefully bavar-373.
also Iran-china military cooperation are not really good.

 

[WinterNights]

This retarded thread needs to be closed down. It's an insult to an average human's IQ. @Serpentine jan, dadash please delete this thread.

 

[925boy]

Mini !?

Same size...

Oh, ok.

 

[rugi]

FCR same JY-11B

Comparison between the 'Iranian-made' Bashir radar in the upper photo and its Chinese original, the JY-11B.

The missile Taer-2C and Sayyad-2C similar LY-80

not like SM1

or Buk M2. Taer-2C or sayyad-2C missiles have similar fins arranged by LY-80

 

[WinterNights]

FCR same JY-11B

Comparison between the 'Iranian-made' Bashir radar in the upper photo and its Chinese original, the JY-11B.

It seems this troll has not had enough of being humiliated.
The only thing these radar have in common is their layout. Nothing more.

The missile Taer-2C and Sayyad-2C similar LY-80


or Buk M2. Taer-2C or sayyad-2C missiles have similar fins arranged by LY-80

What are you blabbering about you clown? All these missiles look somewhat similar to each other, that does not mean anything. They have all "similar" fins. Its those subtle differences that your tiny brain obviously can't comprehend that make all the difference between these systems.

Don't compare Iranian third of khordad to this Chinese system. Iranian one has longer range and uses an AESA radar. They're completely difference systems with the Iranian one being definitely more advanced.

 

[Mithridates]

FCR same JY-11B

Comparison between the 'Iranian-made' Bashir radar in the upper photo and its Chinese original, the JY-11B.

The missile Taer-2C and Sayyad-2C similar LY-80

not like SM1

or Buk M2. Taer-2C or sayyad-2C missiles have similar fins arranged by LY-80

for comparison sake:

top to botom: sayyad-2, taer-2, rim-66, hq-16 missile. as you see there is a differences between every single one ot them.

comparison between buk missiles and 3rd khordad taer-2 missile. again they don't look alike. (taer-2 and sayyad-2 have similar fins)
sayyad family:

sayyad-2 and it's rocket engine

sayyad-3

sayyad-4

 

[rugi]

for comparison sake:
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top to botom: sayyad-2, taer-2, rim-66, hq-16 missile. as you see there is a differences between every single one ot them.
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comparison between buk missiles and 3rd khordad taer-2 missile. again they don't look alike. (taer-2 and sayyad-2 have similar fins)
sayyad family:


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sayyad-2 and it's rocket engine

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sayyad-3

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sayyad-4

Iran has never bought the M2 Buk system
China and Iran have longer military ties than Russia and Iran (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-and-iran-joining-forces-beat-us-stealth-fighters-62647, https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2010/04/23/China-opens-missile-plant-in-Iran/82791272037022/, https://warisboring.com/47047-2/
A representative of the CETC in Europe effectively confirmed Ma’arif’s assertions. “Our relations with Iran in this domain are very intensive. We are often surprised with the high level of Iranian knowledge in this matter.”

Sino-Iranian cooperation on air defenses is nothing new. It began in the late 1980s, when the Iranians began purchasing products such as the HQ-2 missile — based on the Soviet S-75/SA-2 Guideline — and the HQ-7 based on the French Crotale.

Although often disappointed by poor manufacturing quality, and sometimes accusing their Chinese partners for outright espionage, the Iranians have continued this cooperation. Unsurprisingly, several of the “new” Iranian radars that have appeared in the late 2000s were quickly recognized as derivatives of Chinese-made systems.
)
Missile LY-80 is newer than the Buk M2 or SM1, It is suitable for modern warfare
The 3rd Khordad control room interface is similar to HQ-16, it is not like the Buk M2, outdated with transistor technology
The Khordad system's long-range radar is a JY-11B or IBIS-150 version of China

Sayyad 2C

9M317: the distance between the wing fins is quite large, the finnage of 9M317 is also bigger and shorter than Sayyad-2C

SM-1: The SM-1's tail fins have a trapezoid is inverted deginer compared to the other three types of missiles and it is attached to the middle fins

LY-80

 

[Mithridates]

Iran has never bought the M2 Buk system
China and Iran have longer military ties than Russia and Iran (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-and-iran-joining-forces-beat-us-stealth-fighters-62647, https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2010/04/23/China-opens-missile-plant-in-Iran/82791272037022/, https://warisboring.com/47047-2/
A representative of the CETC in Europe effectively confirmed Ma’arif’s assertions. “Our relations with Iran in this domain are very intensive. We are often surprised with the high level of Iranian knowledge in this matter.”

Sino-Iranian cooperation on air defenses is nothing new. It began in the late 1980s, when the Iranians began purchasing products such as the HQ-2 missile — based on the Soviet S-75/SA-2 Guideline — and the HQ-7 based on the French Crotale.

Although often disappointed by poor manufacturing quality, and sometimes accusing their Chinese partners for outright espionage, the Iranians have continued this cooperation. Unsurprisingly, several of the “new” Iranian radars that have appeared in the late 2000s were quickly recognized as derivatives of Chinese-made systems.
)
Missile LY-80 is newer than the Buk M2 or SM1, It is suitable for modern warfare
The 3rd Khordad control room interface is similar to HQ-16, it is not like the Buk M2, outdated with transistor technology
The Khordad system's long-range radar is a JY-11B or IBIS-150 version of China

Sayyad 2C

9M317: the distance between the wing fins is quite large, the finnage of 9M317 is also bigger and shorter than Sayyad-2C

SM-1: The SM-1's tail fins have a trapezoid is inverted deginer compared to the other three types of missiles and it is attached to the middle fins

LY-80

dude the images i posted was not intended to spam the volume of net, they were supposed to deliver a point...
sayyad is a family of missiles with 3 different missiles and ranges. so as taer missile.
i don't know if we bought BUK from Russians or no but i know the Russians are not the only one that use that AD.
sayyad-2 is not ly-80 missile you really need to look closely:

compare to sayyad-2:

the cooperation does not mean every thing we made are based on Chinese ones.

 

[WinterNights]

Iran has never bought the M2 Buk system
China and Iran have longer military ties than Russia and Iran

Who says Iran had to "buy" the Buk to have it?

Missile LY-80 is newer than the Buk M2 or SM1, It is suitable for modern warfare

Go back to sleep kid, the BUK-M2 is more capable than this Chinese system.

The Khordad system's long-range radar is a JY-11B or IBIS-150 version of China

You can keep repeating the same nonsense 100 times but it's still a clownish claim.

9M317: the distance between the wing fins is quite large, the finnage of 9M317 is also bigger and shorter than Sayyad-2C

LMAO,

all those missiles have similar fins but all are different to each other.

I can also claim that this Chines missiles is a copy of the BUK missile because their are some similarities between them. P.s this chinese system was made by reverse engineering the BUK anyway.

The HQ-16A is based on a joint development of the Russian Buk-M1 (SA-11 'Gadfly') and Buk-2M (SA-17 'Grizzly') Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems, for use from mobile ground vehicles and later from ships.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/chi...data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html



Furthermore, the 3rd of khordad systems uses more than just the sayyad-2 missile, it also uses the Taer missiles:

You don't even know what the 3rd of khordad air defence is and you're talking about it. If you lack the capacity to engage in such discussion, I suggest your refrain from them.
This Iranian system is more advanced than this chinese system, it's joke to think it's in any way linked to it.