300 people die in Assad's prison every month : Amnesty

[T-Rex]

And you are a certified intellectually colonized jahil. I designed the polls in a way that secularist jahils can look themselves in the mirror while voting. What you see isn't pretty isn't ? Blame yourself then.

Majority and minority is not decided by chinese or western wishes. That's why maggot assad needs chinese/russian/iranian support and western nonchalance to hold on to power. You are bringing this pro-gaddafi majority out of thin air. Libyan uprising or any of the arab uprising has nothing to do with the west. Yes the west used it as expected of them and so are the chinese and russians using it. But it was an popular uprising against bigoted tyrants who were ruling without any accountability for decades. Don't take libayns and arabs for docile chinese who tolerate communist thugs deciding how many kids you can have.

Only 4 types of people reduce syrian civil war to Assad VS ISIS/deash cult :
- people who don't bother about muslims and ME affairs and get their news from western media.
- people who see the world as black and white
- Ignoramus Islamophobes who can't stand muslims
- Western zionazi propagandist

Which one of the above category do you fall into?
Syrians are fighting against a bigot blood thirsty genocidal manaic. majority syrians support islamic rebel groups who are fighting both assad and ISIS/Daesh cult . Syrians are majority sunni. West hates Islamic rebel groups and are only seriously backing secular kurds. Genocidal Assad and ISIS cult are both side of the same coin. These are well established facts that objective fair minded people should acknowledge before talking about Syria.





I am simply pointing out that Syrian muslims are ruled by a fringe anti-islamic cult minority for 40 years to make brother @dsr478 imagine a similar scenario for PAK and what would be the consequences of a majority uprising against such a cult.



I did not insult anyone. Just drew an analogy.

Frankly i don't give two hoot about 71. I think you know that very well.



You are seriously mistaken. It seems you jump to conclusions that suit your preconceived notions. Does that help to calm you nerve and increase your faith in secular liberalism?



Bro what is baffling is that some sunni muslims conflate rebel groups with ISIS/Daesh cult and reduce the syrian war to Assad VS ISIS. Even preposterous is the claim that rebels are backed by western states . It seems these muslims who are highly anti-western doesn't mind believing western propaganda lock, stock and barrel. The power and vileness of western media is not to be underestimated.



You talk about fairness and being objective , but your whole narrative of "legitimate assad" VS "anti-syria terrorist" shows the hollowness of your argument and what a joke it is. You expect people to take your narrative seriously? Even preposterous is the fact that your are blaming the syrian muslims and rebel groups for the siege of of cities , where people had to eat cats and rats because of siege by shia militias and mercenary army you called "legitimate". People are eating grass in aleppo to survive and here you are with your piss TV rants. There is NO isis/Daesh cult in aleppo.Why bomb aleppo? Why bomb Idlib ? Why bomb market places , hospitals , schools etc?

My source is wrong but your source of "legitimate assad" VS "anti-syrian terrorist" is right? You mean Al Jazeera is wrong but piss TV and RTV is right ? Your way of being fair and objective is really amusing.

After 5 years of syrian war You don't even need media and expert analysis to know that Assad committed inhuman and atrocious crimes against syrian muslims. The fact that Assad is a genocidal maniac is well established. So the poll statements reflect facts.

Its not only amnesty but 100s of non-partisan NGOs and groups are saying what amnesty is saying. Infact amnesty's narrative is said to be a conservative estimate and the actual level massacre that is going on is far bigger than what amnesty is saying. I don't hate you , but passionately hate that genocidal regime that rules your country and backs a bastard in syria. You gov backs a maniac that barrel bombs 20 day old infants. For you anyone other than shia militias are "anti-syrian terrorist" i.e the 90% of syrian people are terrorist. Its truly sad to what ludicrous lengths people like you would go to defend the indefensible. You should be the last one to talk about logic if you actually yourself believe in the non-sense that you wrote.

Those who support genicidal asad do so out of fear and prejudice. Truth and humanity are the first casualties of war in today's world.

 

[UKBengali]

Nice one.

And we need more of this "Ummah Love" shared out. I bet £10 Luffy lives in UK or if not in USA. I mean seriously. Sober these retards up. If I get proven wrong then I will pay £10 to charity - the Mods can check where he is located.

Did you hear about that Anjem being locked up? Took long enough if you ask me. The government was in my view guilty of gross neglect. He should have been locked decade ago. He has infected god knows how many young minds by now.

Link > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36979892

It is enough that India trolls come up with this BD going under the sea nonsense but please be a little more mature since you are Pakistani and also a "Think Thank Analyst".

FYI, if global sea levels rise by the expected 1m by 2100, and nothing is done by BD, then the country will lose 17% of it's total land-mass. In practice BD is employing Dutch expertise to create sea defences to minimise landmass being lost to sea-level rises due to global warming. Did you know that since 1947 BD has gained 2000 square km of land since 1947 due to sedimentation flowing down from the Himalayas? In practice BD will likely get a little larger by 2100 rather than smaller.

 

[CBU-105]

failed poll with only 10 or so people who voted, proof that this forum has overwhelmingly rejected @Luffy 500 's borderline ISIS mentality.

 

[Globenim]

Did they get that insider intel from the same moderate people who behead children and civilians and then run some sobstories with staged attacks and guy running around wounded children in their arms dressed coincidentally like that artificially popularized drowned children picture?

 

[Hamza913]

I am simply pointing out that Syrian muslims are ruled by a fringe anti-islamic cult minority for 40 years to make brother @dsr478 imagine a similar scenario for PAK and what would be the consequences of a majority uprising against such a cult..

Just because Assad is Alawite doesn't make him anti Islamic. Even if they aren't technically Muslim, that does not make them anti Islamic. By your logic, Barack Obama should not lead the US as there are less black people than white people in America. If Pakistan was ruled by a minority, I wouldn't care as long as they did their job right and did not impose anti Islamic laws.

failed poll with only 10 or so people who voted, proof that this forum has overwhelmingly rejected @Luffy 500 's borderline ISIS mentality.

He doesn't have a borderline ISIS mentality, if you can't handle someone else's opinion then leave.

 

[T-Rex]

failed poll with only 10 or so people who voted, proof that this forum has overwhelmingly rejected @Luffy 500 's borderline ISIS mentality.

You're one intolerant RSS terrorist!

 

[livingdead]

there is no alternative to assad.. USA has realized but cannt deal with him due to their arrogance..same with UK, there was a time when they could have done a deal and may be assad would have left... but they thought they could topple the regime like iraq or libya...

 

[Luffy 500]

Just because Assad is Alawite doesn't make him anti Islamic. Even if they aren't technically Muslim, that does not make them anti Islamic. By your logic, Barack Obama should not lead the US as there are less black people than white people in America. If Pakistan was ruled by a minority, I wouldn't care as long as they did their job right and did not impose anti Islamic laws.

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But bro , non-muslims are NOT suppose to rule over muslims in muslim lands. A corrupt muslim is better than a non-muslim when it comes to leadership of muslim states. I very much like the fact that one of the conditions for being president of PAK is to be a muslim.

Muslim gets precedence over non-Muslim in governance :
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=312343

Islam doesn't allow non-muslims to be in position of leadership in muslim lands and that's for justifiable and logical reasons. How can a non-muslim upheld and defend the values of an Islamic state if he does not even belief in those values in the first place. WHat do modern heads of state take oath of - to upheld and defend the constitution of their state. What do PAK leaders (PM, president) take oath of- to upheld and defend the constitution of the Islamic republic of PAK. Can a hindu,christian,qadiyani in PAK really do that? A non-muslims PM/President in PAK would be mockery and hypocrisy against PAK muslims in its worse form.

Even from a realistic POV - non-muslims tend to be indifferent or in some worse cases disloyal to muslim states. That's human nature. A hindu in PAK naturally gives India a special place in his/her heart. Communist during the cold war no matter where he/she used to live used to look up to russia/USSR , pak communists included. Ideologies transcend man-made boundaries. You can not blame a PAK hindu for loving india. That would be injustice. That's the beauty of Islam . Islam does NOT demand assimilation and conversion into majority culture from minorities. It doesn't police the beliefs of minorities. It allows minorities their own cultural religious identity as long as they don't rebel against the state.


Lets look at it from western secular POV as well. DO they allow non-seculars to be President and PMs in the west? Their system is designed so as to make sure that only secularist and westernized individuals can make it to the PM/President seat. What oath do they take? - They take oath of defending the secular constitution. What do their leaders say upon taking office? Its a norm now for their politicians to say - "Even if I have religious beliefs my beliefs don't effect my decisions in office" . Saying otherwise is social taboo and political suicide in the west. That's why orthodox christians in the west have often times grievances against political liberalism and their opportunist leaders direct those grievances and anger against muslims in the west. Heck even to become a simple mayor (eg. mayor of london) the "muslim candidate" has to adopt liberal western values and lambaste islamic values publicly to prove his credentials:
https://defence.pk/threads/tolerance-and-the-first-muslim-mayor-in-europe.431167/

A muslim can NOT become even a simple mayor in the west if he/she does not renounce his/her islamic beliefs. The society and people of the west won't accept that muslim as long as they don't renounce Islam.

BTW alawites were historically known for their barbarism against muslims. They used to raid and pillage muslim settlements and terrorize muslims. Its not until the french colonized syria that they found a foothold in muslim middle east. The french trained and educated them as loyal servants against muslim arabs in syria. Thje result - by the time french left they were in important position of power and look what they have done with that power.

Obama is white man in a black body. He is sanctioned by the US establishment. Martin luther or Malcom x won't even make it through the primary in today's US.

He doesn't have a borderline ISIS mentality, if you can't handle someone else's opinion then leave

Thanks for defending me brother. You must be a really kind hearted human being and muslim. We may have our differences but as a muslim I consider you brother. Thanks for standing up for me even if its a virtual forum.

 

[Hamza913]

But bro , non-muslims are NOT suppose to rule over muslims in muslim lands. A corrupt muslim is better than a non-muslim when it comes to leadership of muslim states. I very much like the fact that one of the conditions for being president of PAK is to be a muslim.

Muslim gets precedence over non-Muslim in governance :
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=312343

Islam doesn't allow non-muslims to be in position of leadership in muslim lands and that's for justifiable and logical reasons. How can a non-muslim upheld and defend the values of an Islamic state if he does not even belief in those values in the first place. WHat do modern heads of state take oath of - to upheld and defend the constitution of their state. What do PAK leaders (PM, president) take oath of- to upheld and defend the constitution of the Islamic republic of PAK. Can a hindu,christian,qadiyani in PAK really do that? A non-muslims PM/President in PAK would be mockery and hypocrisy against PAK muslims in its worse form.

Even from a realistic POV - non-muslims tend to be indifferent or in some worse cases disloyal to muslim states. That's human nature. A hindu in PAK naturally gives India a special place in his/her heart. Communist during the cold war no matter where he/she used to live used to look up to russia/USSR , pak communists included. Ideologies transcend man-made boundaries. You can not blame a PAK hindu for loving india. That would be injustice. That's the beauty of Islam . Islam does NOT demand assimilation and conversion into majority culture from minorities. It doesn't police the beliefs of minorities. It allows minorities their own cultural religious identity as long as they don't rebel against the state.


Lets look at it from western secular POV as well. DO they allow non-seculars to be President and PMs in the west? Their system is designed so as to make sure that only secularist and westernized individuals can make it to the PM/President seat. What oath do they take? - They take oath of defending the secular constitution. What do their leaders say upon taking office? Its a norm now for their politicians to say - "Even if I have religious beliefs my beliefs don't effect my decisions in office" . Saying otherwise is social taboo and political suicide in the west. That's why orthodox christians in the west have often times grievances against political liberalism and their opportunist leaders direct those grievances and anger against muslims in the west. Heck even to become a simple mayor (eg. mayor of london) the "muslim candidate" has to adopt liberal western values and lambaste islamic values publicly to prove his credentials:
https://defence.pk/threads/tolerance-and-the-first-muslim-mayor-in-europe.431167/

A muslim can NOT become even a simple mayor in the west if he/she does not renounce his/her islamic beliefs. The society and people of the west won't accept that muslim as long as they don't renounce Islam.

BTW alawites were historically known for their barbarism against muslims. They used to raid and pillage muslim settlements and terrorize muslims. Its not until the french colonized syria that they found a foothold in muslim middle east. The french trained and educated them as loyal servants against muslim arabs in syria. Thje result - by the time french left they were in important position of power and look what they have done with that power.

Obama is white man in a black body. He is sanctioned by the US establishment. Martin luther or Malcom x won't even make it through the primary in today's US.



Thanks for defending me brother. You must be a really kind hearted human being and muslim. We may have our differences but as a muslim I consider you brother. Thanks for standing up for me even if its a virtual forum.

I understand non Muslims are not usually meant to rule over Muslims, but calling a different sect of Islam non Muslims or fake Muslims isn't a nice thing to do. I am not knowledgable when it comes to deciding about Alawites, but if you can prove to me they are not Muslim I will agree.

Even if they aren't Muslim, the rebels were still stupid for disposing of Assad in the way that they did. They didn't and still have no plan. Their country has been ruined because of them. If they could get rid of him quickly and without destroying the place, then I would get behind it. But they didn't, they just made a mess of things. You tell me, what's a bigger sin: Being responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents, or letting a less religious Muslim rule over you.

As for your last statement, I consider all Muslims my brothers/sisters too. I hope one day Inshallah all Muslims can unite under one state.

 

[Apprentice]

But bro , non-muslims are NOT suppose to rule over muslims in muslim lands. A corrupt muslim is better than a non-muslim when it comes to leadership of muslim states. I very much like the fact that one of the conditions for being president of PAK is to be a muslim.

Muslim gets precedence over non-Muslim in governance :
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=312343

Islam doesn't allow non-muslims to be in position of leadership in muslim lands and that's for justifiable and logical reasons. How can a non-muslim upheld and defend the values of an Islamic state if he does not even belief in those values in the first place. WHat do modern heads of state take oath of - to upheld and defend the constitution of their state. What do PAK leaders (PM, president) take oath of- to upheld and defend the constitution of the Islamic republic of PAK. Can a hindu,christian,qadiyani in PAK really do that? A non-muslims PM/President in PAK would be mockery and hypocrisy against PAK muslims in its worse form.

Even from a realistic POV - non-muslims tend to be indifferent or in some worse cases disloyal to muslim states. That's human nature. A hindu in PAK naturally gives India a special place in his/her heart. Communist during the cold war no matter where he/she used to live used to look up to russia/USSR , pak communists included. Ideologies transcend man-made boundaries. You can not blame a PAK hindu for loving india. That would be injustice. That's the beauty of Islam . Islam does NOT demand assimilation and conversion into majority culture from minorities. It doesn't police the beliefs of minorities. It allows minorities their own cultural religious identity as long as they don't rebel against the state.


Lets look at it from western secular POV as well. DO they allow non-seculars to be President and PMs in the west? Their system is designed so as to make sure that only secularist and westernized individuals can make it to the PM/President seat. What oath do they take? - They take oath of defending the secular constitution. What do their leaders say upon taking office? Its a norm now for their politicians to say - "Even if I have religious beliefs my beliefs don't effect my decisions in office" . Saying otherwise is social taboo and political suicide in the west. That's why orthodox christians in the west have often times grievances against political liberalism and their opportunist leaders direct those grievances and anger against muslims in the west. Heck even to become a simple mayor (eg. mayor of london) the "muslim candidate" has to adopt liberal western values and lambaste islamic values publicly to prove his credentials:
https://defence.pk/threads/tolerance-and-the-first-muslim-mayor-in-europe.431167/

A muslim can NOT become even a simple mayor in the west if he/she does not renounce his/her islamic beliefs. The society and people of the west won't accept that muslim as long as they don't renounce Islam.

BTW alawites were historically known for their barbarism against muslims. They used to raid and pillage muslim settlements and terrorize muslims. Its not until the french colonized syria that they found a foothold in muslim middle east. The french trained and educated them as loyal servants against muslim arabs in syria. Thje result - by the time french left they were in important position of power and look what they have done with that power.

Obama is white man in a black body. He is sanctioned by the US establishment. Martin luther or Malcom x won't even make it through the primary in today's US.



Thanks for defending me brother. You must be a really kind hearted human being and muslim. We may have our differences but as a muslim I consider you brother. Thanks for standing up for me even if its a virtual forum.

Btw bro the terrorist group in Persia called the 'Assassins' were Alawis. They terrorised Muslims for 150 years. That group is NOT to be trusted at all.

I understand non Muslims are not usually meant to rule over Muslims, but calling a different sect of Islam non Muslims or fake Muslims isn't a nice thing to do. I am not knowledgable when it comes to deciding about Alawites, but if you can prove to me they are not Muslim I will agree.

Even if they aren't Muslim, the rebels were still stupid for disposing of Assad in the way that they did. They didn't and still have no plan. Their country has been ruined because of them. If they could get rid of him quickly and without destroying the place, then I would get behind it. But they didn't, they just made a mess of things. You tell me, what's a bigger sin: Being responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents, or letting a less religious Muslim rule over you.

As for your last statement, I consider all Muslims my brothers/sisters too. I hope one day Inshallah all Muslims can unite under one state.

Bro Alawis belive that Hazrat Ali (ra) was divine. They are NOT Muslim.


Please read deoband's fatwa about which shias are Muslims and which shias are not Muslim.

http://www.darulifta-deoband.com/home/en/False-Sects/127

(Fatwa: 108/L=108/L)

All the Shias are not kafir. Only the Shias are kafir who believe in the following:

that Hazrat Gebriel (the angle) mistakenly put revelation to Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) instead of Hazrat Ali.
who believe that Hazrat Ali (Razi Allahu anhu) was a god
who blame on Hazrat Ayshah (Razi Allahu anha) of adultery
who believe corruption in the Holy Quran
and who deny the companionship (Suhbat) of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (Razi Allahu anhu) (Fatawa Shami, 4/135)

But the Shias who believe only that Hazrat Ali was better (Afzal) than other companions and do not have other Shiite beliefs then they will not be considered as kafir.


Allah knows Best!


Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband