300 Pakistani students stranded in Bangladesh cry out for help

[VikingRaider]

India has been nothing but generous to Bangladesh, giving thousands of acres of land and tens of thousands of acres of sea.

You are generous?You gave us land and sea area?? When???

 

[Robbie]

You are generous?You gave us land and sea area?? When???

Land boundary agreement:
India gives 9500 acres to Bangladesh

Under the agreement, India will have an advantage of 500 acres and 10,000 acres will go to Bangladesh.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-bangladesh-land-boundary-agreement-255974-2015-06-06

Sea boundary agreement:

As a result, the agreement provides a credible template for solving the ongoing South China Sea dispute.

http://www.futuredirections.org.au/...aritime-boundary-dispute-sets-global-example/

In a similar judgement for China, it lost sea acreage under arbitration to its neighbours but it refused to agree after the judgement.

 

[VikingRaider]

Land boundary agreement:
India gives 9500 acres to Bangladesh


Sea boundary agreement:


In a similar judgement for China, it lost sea acreage under arbitration to its neighbours but it refused to agree after the judgement.

Duh! OK I will leave it to others to answer you in detail.
@UKBengali, @Bilal9, @Sehnsucht

 

[Jackdaws]

Duh! OK I will leave it to others to answer you in detail.
@UKBengali, @Bilal9, @Sehnsucht

Irrespective of what happens in forums, fact is that Bangladesh is our ally. It supports us in OIC, where we aren't a member. And it supports India in South Asia too. There will always be some tension because of internal politics within our country and perhaps in yours too but realistically at the diplomatic level, they get along well.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Land boundary agreement:
India gives 9500 acres to Bangladesh

You didn't donate it to us.It was a part of Land Boundary Agreement from 1974.And these lands were part of enclaves.
Do you understand what's an enclave? An enclave is a territory (or a part of one) that is entirely surrounded by the territory of one other state.

In other words, you "gave" us lands that were already in our territory & for all purposes, already under Bangladeshi control.The agreement just made it official.

And are you seriously bragging about some measly thousands of acres that were already effectively ours? Even one of our university in Chittagong has almost two thousands acres.

Let's see. 9500 acres equals to 14.84375 square miles. Bangladesh has a territory of 56,980 square miles. The land that we got from you is only about 0.026% of our total land area.

@Atlas শৈবাল দিঘীরে কহে করি উচ্চ শির, লিখে রেখ একবিন্দু দিলেম শিশির।
@Bilal9 I thought kanjoosi was supposed to be only West Bengali trait?

 

[VikingRaider]

@Atlas শৈবাল দিঘীরে কহে করি উচ্চ শির, লিখে রেখ একবিন্দু দিলেম শিশির।

 

[Sehnsucht]

Sea boundary agreement

You illegally wanted our sea area.Bangladesh went to international court. You lost the case.And we won.

Maybe you should have gotten better lawyers.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...aritime-dispute-with-india/article6191797.ece

Bangladesh wins maritime dispute with India

The much-awaited verdict on the dispute regarding the delimitation of the maritime boundary between India and Bangladesh was delivered on Monday, with a United Nations tribunal awarding Bangladesh 19,467 sq. km of the 25,602 sq. km sea area of the Bay of Bengal.

The arbitral tribunal had informed both the parties of the verdict on Monday but an embargo prevented it from being made public before 24 hours. The content of the verdict of the long-standing dispute was announced by Bangladesh Foreign Minister A.H. Mahmood Ali at a press briefing here on Tuesday.

The verdict of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) came after nearly five years of arguments and counter-arguments, spot visit by judges and examination of survey reports. Bangladesh Ambassador to the Netherlands Sheikh Mohammed Belal and Indian Ambassador in The Hague, Rajesh Nandan Prasad, received the copies of the verdict.

The tribunal verdict is binding on all parties and there is no option for appeal. However, according to the rules of procedures, if any party needs any interpretation of the verdict, it can make a request to the court within 30 days of receiving the verdict and the interpretation would be made available within 45 days.

Bangladesh went in for arbitration over the delimitation of maritime boundary under the United Nations Convention on Law of Sea (UNCLOS) on October 8 2009.The court concluded its hearings on December 18, 2013 in The Hague.

The argument focussed on issues including the location of the land boundary terminus, delimitation of the territorial sea, exclusive economic zone, and the continental shelf within and beyond 200 nautical miles.

Bangladesh Foreign Minister Mahmud Ali said: “This is a victory of friendship between Bangladesh and India. The maritime dispute between the two countries has come to an end following the verdict.” The verdict would take the relationship between the two countries “one step forward,” he added.

During External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj’s recent visit to Dhaka, spokesperson of the Ministry Syed Akbaruddin said both the countries would act in accordance with the verdict since they went to the court voluntarily.

“We are committed to abiding by the outcome of that process, the spokesperson had said.

 

[VikingRaider]

Irrespective of what happens in forums, fact is that Bangladesh is our ally. It supports us in OIC, where we aren't a member. And it supports India in South Asia too. There will always be some tension because of internal politics within our country and perhaps in yours too but realistically at the diplomatic level, they get along well.

Well yes I admit that we are friendly neighbors. And we need each others for various reasons. But unfortunately in this forum almost all Indians like to show attitude to us and sometimes they pretend that we are living on Indian bread and under Indian mercy. This is too much disturbing you know. I still hope that common (non sanghi) Indian folks are reasonable and well wishers of Bangladesh, and also don't hesitate to give us the equal honor unlike the low life online troll gang.

But certainly India has to change it's policy and stop shooting people in border. You saw already our FM said that friends don't shoot people in border.

So I hope you understand our position here. Thank you.

 

[Clutch]

Why would Pakistani students go to Bangladesh???... It doesnt make any sense.

 

[Nilgiri]

EDIT: Just realized you come from a Pakistani background. That makes much more sense now.

Taking over West Bengal is a core interest of Bangladesh? I can see I am arguing with a young person/child. This will be my last post to you. Take some time to talk with people who work in the business of national strategy and think tanks. You would be surprised.

Borders have been stabilizing for a while now. I can't help you see how things are working now. I don't think you understand relations with neighbours work. India does have a high degree of influence in Bangladesh, not only with Sheikh Hasina but all political parties. Likewise, Govt. of Bangladesh too has a high degree of influence with India across parties. Govt. of India does many things which are not officially recognized on both official and unofficial requests of Bangladesh.

In any case resources for population are now provided by industrial infrastructure and developmental growth, not land.

Bangladesh's population growth is not that high and it is about to stabilize. It's going to top at ~190 million and then start declining from 2050. That's barely 30 years from now and not much higher than the current population in relative terms. That's not much higher than what Dhaka has. You speak as though the population was about to double.

You fail to consider the Indian population is also growing, more than Bangladesh's. Though that is an unfortunate fact. However, if it comes to that growing territory size, India's population, economic growth and military growth, (not to mention nuclear weapons) is far above Bangladesh's. You can imagine the outcome of policies that lead to a collision of wills between Bangladesh and India.


All your assertions are categorically wrong and simplistic in your thinking.

Borders will be enforced. Because people crossing the border are killed does not mean that India hates Bangladesh. I feel that as a smaller nation, people of Bangladesh have a greater sensitivity towards these issues than Indians do.

Sri Lanka shot and killed many Indian fishermen that intruded in their maritime boundary. There are people who dislike Sri Lanka for that but most people recognize that it is within Sri Lanka's right to do that. It does not mean Sri Lankans hate Indians. US border guard shoots people on the Mexican border, does not mean that people of US hate people of Mexico. You are simplistic in your thinking. Most rational people recognize that good fences make for good neighbours. Illegal immigration is not acceptable and will be discouraged though bullets, fences or any other means possible. The same philosophy applies for Indians trying to illegally immigrate to US, etc.

What hegemonic ambitions? Giving the example of Junagadh, Kashmir or Sikkim does not lead to any 'points' for you. Those states were taken at the time of independence in a very specific context as all nations do during the early years of independence - from Pakistan (which annexed the part of Kashmir it has through military, not treaty) to US, to China. As countries age, the context of their independence reduces in relevance and territory expansion ceases making way for trade and cooperation.

No mainstream politician talks about annexing any territory of Bangladesh. Why would India sign a border treaty with Bangladesh (with bi-partisan support) in which India gave away 10,000 acres of land and thousands of acres of the sea if India wanted to annex territory from Bangladesh?

Annexing any part of Bangladesh is not in the consciousness or discourse of Indians. It's something you have come up with to justify your world view in which India is a perceived enemy. I can recognize that you may have been socialized from a young age in this world view. No amount of rational talk will change that and you will likely perform mental gymnastics than challenging your own belief which is, ironically, the point of interacting on this forum. This is my last post on the topic.

Since you seem well intentioned (and in interest of saving your time + effort so it may be deployed in a better place)....let me make it easy for you....this talk (here) is a waste of time.

Best accomplish reality out there....with people (of all sides) of actual consequence that can actually shape things. Here you find stunted brains working worst kind of jobs, onset with worst kind of reality and developing worst chips on shoulders....so they have over time steadfastly ejected the better-polished and better-reasoned + higher thinking Bangladeshis that oppose some contrarian view past their little safe space here.

So let the echo chamber inferiors in here go for their warm fuzzy feelings as they want to.

They are in an echo chamber for a reason to begin with.

Take it fwiw from one that started with same good intent.

Irrespective of what happens in forums, fact is that Bangladesh is our ally. It supports us in OIC, where we aren't a member. And it supports India in South Asia too. There will always be some tension because of internal politics within our country and perhaps in yours too but realistically at the diplomatic level, they get along well.

Ditto to you. Actually you know better to begin with anyway ole timer....can see it in the opening sentence heh. "Forums" yep.

 

[Sehnsucht]

In a similar judgement for China, it lost sea acreage under arbitration to its neighbours but it refused to agree after the judgement.

LOL!

China did not agree to be a part of the South China Sea arbitration.It didn't even defend it's claims in the court.So, of course it ignored the ruling.

While India voluntarily agreed to participate in the BD - India Maritime Dispute arbitration & defended it's position in the court.

Also, China is in a different league altogether. It's an economical, industrial & military juggernaut. It can afford to ignore international court resolutions, India can not.
If you could, you would have.

China is building artificial islands in the disputed areas to entrench themselves firmly.Can you do that?China is churning out warships like there's no tomorrow to defend these areas.Can you do that? China has engaged with US in a trade war & came out relatively unscathed. Can you do that?China can challange the sole superpower in the world.Can you do that? And while it's not as powerful as US, Chinese navy can take on US navy to defend the areas it lays claim on.Can Indian navy do that?

The answer is no.To all of these.So don't pretend that it's out of generosity that you are following the court ruling.It's because you can't afford to go against it.

 

[Jackdaws]

Well yes I admit that we are friendly neighbors. And we need each others for various reasons. But unfortunately in this forum almost all Indians like to show attitude to us and sometimes they pretend that we are living on Indian bread and under Indian mercy. This is too much disturbing you know. I still hope that common (non sanghi) Indian folks are reasonable and well wishers of Bangladesh, and also don't hesitate to give us the equal honor unlike the low life online troll gang.

But certainly India has to change it's policy and stop shooting people in border. You saw already our FM said that friends don't shoot people in border.

So I hope you understand our position here. Thank you.

I agree. Are there illegal immigrants from Bdesh in India? Yes. But do political parties exaggerate their numbers wildly to cater to their votebanks? Yes. Unfortunately, on social media and forums the right wing is completely out of its mind and just abuses everyone - not just Bangladeshis - they will abuse anyone who claims to be secular. This pretty much captures the bhakts -

 

[VikingRaider]

Unfortunately, on social media and forums the right wing is completely out of its mind and just abuses everyone - not just Bangladeshis - they will abuse anyone who claims to be secular. This pretty much captures the bhakts -

Well that's truly an embarrassment and disaster for good Indians I understand. They are also great threat to it's Muslim neighbors too.

 

[Nilgiri]

Are there illegal immigrants from Bdesh in India? Yes.

It will quote this out in reply.... see?

Then it will tell you its trying honestly for two hands clapping, and not just one.

Further you go trying to call out selectivism agenda, the more you will realise what they are here. But I guess you can do the superficial nicety stuff here and just stop at that.

What lurks underneath can be checked with posting history regd. what they have said about Indians and India (even with no instigation) if you really care. The whole of india, not just "sanghi bhakts online" "waaaaah!".

Just in the end understand why BAL-Haseena (who you speak of so glowingly) has to deploy BCL to get certain jobs done for greater good.

There is some prevalence of certain types that need to be liquidated....if they arent a typical street urchin and have a few means and need for escapism and fantasy, they can fester on online forums too.

 

[Jackdaws]

It will quote this out in reply.... see?

Then it will tell you its trying honestly for two hands clapping, and not just one.

Further you go trying to call out selectivism agenda, the more you will realise what they are here. But I guess you can do the superficial nicety stuff here and just stop at that.

What lurks underneath can be checked with posting history regd. what they have said about Indians and India (even with no instigation) if you really care. The whole of india, not just "sanghi bhakts online" "waaaaah!".

Just in the end understand why BAL-Haseena (who you speak of so glowingly) has to deploy BCL to get certain jobs done for greater good.

There is some prevalence of certain types that need to be liquidated....if they arent a typical street urchin and have a few means and need for escapism and fantasy, they can fester on online forums too.

You and I both know that most of what is said on these forums is a lot of hot air. At one point of time, you got to learn history and different perspectives. Now it's just a bunch of preteens mostly. The worst of the lot are the Chinese posters. I engage with them only for entertainment value.

But point taken. Thanks.