3 more OHP class Frigates to be delivered to Pakistan between 2014-2016.

[Manindra]

True for J-10s but PAF will have its own customize version which will be called FC-20, PAF is delaying it because they want most advance variant which surpasses F-16 Block-60s and now J-10B is near/same to block-52s in terms of avionics, as per its design it ahead of F-16s. What PAF want is a fighter which is multirole but with strong air dominance capabilities which they lack now.

For you Rafale is for ground attack in primary role but you dont understand that it is much more of a concern for PAF then MKIs air dominance as it will be stealthy at low level interdiction and with very good weapons & avionics. PAF always had concern of low level strike package of IAF since 80s Mig-27s, Mig-23s & Jag escorted with Mig-29s or M2Ks was seen as major threat, so now you can understand where Rafale stand because it is a combination of all 80s IAF strike package planes.

True, but you should also consider that a big chunk of IAF fleet were for take on China. So, numerical superiority of IAF. Thats why IAF is more concern with quality of Aircrafts.

dude i told you to update yourself , Jf-17 is multirole fighter , and check out the recent upgrades on blk50/52 , and if you are talking about the Tejas which is yet to become a reality since last 30 years so i feel sorry for you ...
there is a separate thread for f-16blk 50/52 vs miG-29 you can kindly visit ..
again i am lazy to found it for you

Your F-16 block 52 is not with the par with USAF F-16 Block50/52
Your F-16 does not have AIM-9X Sidewinder.
Its like lion without claws go to challenge tiger.
Tejas MKI have HMS, IFR, WVR & BVR, Qudraplex FCL, HOBS
Tell Does your JFT Block I have any feature currently.

 

[Basel]

Your F-16 block 52 is not with the par with USAF F-16 Block50/52
Your F-16 does not have AIM-9X Sidewinder.
Its like lion without claws go to challenge tiger.
Tejas MKI have HMS, IFR, WVR & BVR, Qudraplex FCL, HOBS
Tell Does your JFT Block I have any feature currently.

US is also using F-16 block-40, PAF's new & MLUed F-16s as per tech has very potent ones and they have nearly same goodies as per current US F-16 50s/52s reason for that is because US have gone miles ahead in tech and these are not their primary front line fighter now and it is not against in their interest too, they are going to upgrade their current fleet of F-16s which will surpass capabilities of any current F-16s operators of then ours will become less advance in terms of tech.

PAF is not much interested in AIM-9X they were more interested in IRIS-T from Germany which was said to be more advance and mature than AIM-9X, further PAF have MAA-1Bs & A-Darters for WVR battles and they are co-developing their next version with manufacturing countries.

HMS, IFR, WVR & BVR are available for JF-17s too but not disclosed publicly which version will have all of them.

 

[Penguin]

does this OHP have some good SAM systems ?

None of the currently existing USN OHPs has a functional Mk13 launcher i.e. no functional capability to launch Harpoon and SM1. The STIR associated with SM1 has also been removed.

ave over F-22Ps and what we can install at t

Why it is said that old OHPs are ahead in terms of tech to our F-22Ps? and what advantage they have over F-22Ps and what we can install at them?

Dig up some of the discussions about McInerney that are available on the forum: it has been extensively debated and discussed.

 

[Basel]

None of the currently existing USN OHPs has a functional Mk13 launcher i.e. no functional capability to launch Harpoon and SM1. The STIR associated with SM1 has also been removed.

But can PN upgrade these OHPs to potent air defense assets? and if yes what you think they can put on them as per current geopolitical situation faced by Pakistan.

@Penguin I asked you because this thread is also about OHPs and people specially from India treat F-22Ps as junk and compare them with OHPs too, and what I want to know is that if OHPs are ahead of them then why and what Pakistan can do with them in current situation if faces i.e. economic, geopolitical etc.

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin I will like to have your opinion regarding upgrade potential of those 4 OHPs and to what level & system wise PN can get them upgraded as per their conditions?

Look at how similar ships have been upgrade by Turkish and Australian navies. Of course, they did start out with ships that still had the Mk13 and Stir... but doesn't necessarily make for a disadvantage.

Think e.g.:
Genesis
1x Mk41 + 32 ESSM
2x4 Harpoon
Ceafar/Ceamount mast (as on ANZAC)
Thales Smart

Mind you, this is not cheap and question is whether such a fix would be cost-effective (given the life left in those hulls)

 

[Basel]

Look at how similar ships have been upgrade by Turkish and Australian navies. Of course, they did start out with ships that still had the Mk13 and Stir... but doesn't necessarily make for a disadvantage.
Think e.g.:
Genesis
1x Mk41 + 32 ESSM
2x4 Harpoon
Ceafar/Ceamount mast (as on ANZAC)
Thales Smart
Mind you, this is not cheap and question is whether such a fix would be cost-effective (given the life left in those hulls)

Will US allow this upgrade? if yes then will these ships will be able to handle the threat pose by IN's missiles and air wing?

If US don't allow upgrade with their stuff, what else PN can get to make them potent platforms specially for air defense?

 

[BDforever]

congrats to pakistani brothers and sisters

 

[Penguin]

But can PN upgrade these OHPs to potent air defense assets? and if yes what you think they can put on them as per current geopolitical situation faced by Pakistan.

@Penguin I asked you because this thread is also about OHPs and people specially from India treat F-22Ps as junk and compare them with OHPs too, and what I want to know is that if OHPs are ahead of them then why and what Pakistan can do with them in current situation if faces i.e. economic, geopolitical etc.

Perry's are likely superiors in terms of ASW and EW. Obviously, without Harpoon and SM1, they are inferior to F22P in terms of AAW and ASuW. They are large fleet assets, while F22P is smaller, with likely lesser seakeeping and endurance. F22Ps as they are are not bad ships, though they would benefit from installation of a IIRH or ARH VL SAM and possibly by changing some Chinese systems to European or US system (thinking in terms of sensors, electronics and C3I)

Will US allow this upgrade? if yes then will these ships will be able to handle the threat pose by IN's missiles and air wing?

If US don't allow upgrade with their stuff, what else PN can get to make them potent platforms specially for air defense?

Why wouldn't they if PN owns the ships and pays for the upgrade?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Why wouldn't they if PN owns the ships and pays for the upgrade?

There are always conditions attached to FMS deals, even more so if they fall under the ambit of MAP and EDA transactions. Statecraft comes with strings attached, unless these points are clarified in the intial contract. Uncle Sam is the least forthcoming of all weapon-suppliers.

 

[rockstar08]

without proper sam's these ship are nothing but sitting ducks

 

[Penguin]

There are always conditions attached to FMS deals, even more so if they fall under the ambit of MAP and EDA transactions. Statecraft comes with strings attached, unless these points are clarified in the intial contract. Uncle Sam is the least forthcoming of all weapon-suppliers.

Basis? None of the non-US OHP builders or operators have experienced problems upgrading their ships. Likewise Knox class (see e.g. Taiwan).

 

[Manindra]

US is also using F-16 block-40, PAF's new & MLUed F-16s as per tech has very potent ones and they have nearly same goodies as per current US F-16 50s/52s reason for that is because US have gone miles ahead in tech and these are not their primary front line fighter now and it is not against in their interest too, they are going to upgrade their current fleet of F-16s which will surpass capabilities of any current F-16s operators of then ours will become less advance in terms of tech.

PAF is not much interested in AIM-9X they were more interested in IRIS-T from Germany which was said to be more advance and mature than AIM-9X, further PAF have MAA-1Bs & A-Darters for WVR battles and they are co-developing their next version with manufacturing countries.

HMS, IFR, WVR & BVR are available for JF-17s too but not disclosed publicly which version will have all of them.

It is a very lame claim that JFT have but it would disclose later is like Pakistan radio announce that PA is advance in Siliguri in 1971 & after 3 days news broke out that PA surrendered with more than 93000 persons.
AIM-9X is not mature weapon????????

 

[haman10]

very good , we muslim countries need to strengthen our naval warfare capabilities .

just in case someone from 10000 km away goes crazy !! yet again

 

[Penguin]

without proper sam's these ship are nothing but sitting ducks

Try stating something that is not obvious?

 

[rockstar08]

Try stating something that is not obvious?

ok give me time to think than