3 Iranian hostages killed in Syria while rebels threaten to kill the rest

[Alpery]

for example:
I dont take my TURK library card when go to abroad because nothing to do with the card in a foreign country..also..there is a risc .. it may be stolen..it may be lost..
why you take your ID card..if you will not use it?

 

[Serpentine]

for example:
I dont take my TURK library card when go to abroad because nothing to do with the card in a foreign country..also..there is a risc .. it may be stolen..it may be lost..
why you take your ID card..if you will not use it?

So IRGC soldiers who are supposed to work undercover take their cards?
Some of the cards they showed,were certification for end of military service that most of Iranians have them.
Now answer my question,if they were there to fight,then why did they had their cards with them?Are they stupid to do such thing?
Let's review another scenario:some of them are retired IRGC or Army members who were holding some IDs,because they never thought they would be caught by terrorists to use them as propaganda tools.
Remember those 5 Iranian engineers who FSA took hostage 6 months ago accusing them of being soldiers?After a while,they understood how they humiliated themselves by saying a great lie.Then they released them.

 

[Alpery]

they are not stupid..they need to show tis card to AL-muhaberat
they dont need guns..because they are organisator or planner or tecnical operator or somethig else

 

[Meengla]

I think, it is fair to say, Pakistanis on the whole remain neutral in this conflict in Syria. That's because, despite being a Sunni-majority country the Shia minority has enjoyed much power and prominence. Pakistan may have the largest Shia minority in the world. Nutjobs target Shia but they also target many others. Also, Pakistan doesn't have the historic baggage of the Turks, Arabs, and the Persians versus each other. Geography helps too--Pakistan a bit removed from the real Middle East. Also, Pakistani culture is heavily influenced by both Arabs, Turks, and Persians.
This prelude is to explain the divided Pakistani opinion in the Syrian conflict. You can see that in this forum quite clearly.
Speaking as a neutral person--I don't care for nor am I against Assad, a few oberservations:
1) Assad is a despot from a minority community but he seems kind enough and even a 'visionary' enough of a leader to have the Christians in Syria put their faith in Assad. That is not a small trust.
2) Assad's cardinal crime is that he wants the Golan Heights back. For that he made an alliance with Iran, after probably been disillusioned with other Arab countries.
3) Assad's fall is a prelude to a wider Middle Eastern War where Hezbollah would be cut-off from supply routes and help and attack against Iran will resume.
4) I wonder what kind of incentive were thrown the way of Turks by GCC and NATO? I mean, just a short time ago, Assad was the same 'tyrant' and the same Assad whose father brutally crushed rebellion but Turks had not problem embracing him? What changed? The 'repression'? That's not new in the Middle East nor even in Turkey (the Kurdish problem).
5) The seeds of anti-Assad campaign were sown in the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel battle where the northern 3rd of Israel was virtually shut-off for several weeks. Assad had to be neutralized before Iran could be neutralized.
6) What is stacked against Assad is formidable: GCC, NATO (including Turks), Israelis, and internal rebels, including Al-Qaida. I had said many months ago that Assad could not survive this. And it seems unlikely that he will, given his own PM has deserted him.
7) Syria, post Assad, will be even more poor and repressive than it was in, say, 2010.

 

[Serpentine]

I think, it is fair to say, Pakistanis on the whole remain neutral in this conflict in Syria. That's because, despite being a Sunni-majority country the Shia minority has enjoyed much power and prominence. Pakistan may have the largest Shia minority in the world. Nutjobs target Shia but they also target many others. Also, Pakistan doesn't have the historic baggage of the Turks, Arabs, and the Persians versus each other. Geography helps too--Pakistan a bit removed from the real Middle East. Also, Pakistani culture is heavily influenced by both Arabs, Turks, and Persians.
This prelude is to explain the divided Pakistani opinion in the Syrian conflict. You can see that in this forum quite clearly.
Speaking as a neutral person--I don't care for nor am I against Assad, a few oberservations:
1) Assad is a despot from a minority community but he seems kind enough and even a 'visionary' enough of a leader to have the Christians in Syria put their faith in Assad. That is not a small trust.
2) Assad's cardinal crime is that he wants the Golan Heights back. For that he made an alliance with Iran, after probably been disillusioned with other Arab countries.
3) Assad's fall is a prelude to a wider Middle Eastern War where Hezbollah would be cut-off from supply routes and help and attack against Iran will resume.
4) I wonder what kind of incentive were thrown the way of Turks by GCC and NATO? I mean, just a short time ago, Assad was the same 'tyrant' and the same Assad whose father brutally crushed rebellion but Turks had not problem embracing him? What changed? The 'repression'? That's not new in the Middle East nor even in Turkey (the Kurdish problem).
5) The seeds of anti-Assad campaign were sown in the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel battle where the northern 3rd of Israel was virtually shut-off for several weeks. Assad had to be neutralized before Iran could be neutralized.
6) What is stacked against Assad is formidable: GCC, NATO (including Turks), Israelis, and internal rebels, including Al-Qaida. I had said many months ago that Assad could not survive this. And it seems unlikely that he will, given his own PM has deserted him.
7) Syria, post Assad, will be even more poor and repressive than it was in, say, 2010.

Well said brother,that was enlightening.

 

[Alpery]

I think, it is fair to say, Pakistanis on the whole remain neutral in this conflict in Syria. That's because, despite being a Sunni-majority country the Shia minority has enjoyed much power and prominence. Pakistan may have the largest Shia minority in the world. Nutjobs target Shia but they also target many others. Also, Pakistan doesn't have the historic baggage of the Turks, Arabs, and the Persians versus each other. Geography helps too--Pakistan a bit removed from the real Middle East. Also, Pakistani culture is heavily influenced by both Arabs, Turks, and Persians.
This prelude is to explain the divided Pakistani opinion in the Syrian conflict. You can see that in this forum quite clearly.
Speaking as a neutral person--I don't care for nor am I against Assad, a few oberservations:
1) Assad is a despot from a minority community but he seems kind enough and even a 'visionary' enough of a leader to have the Christians in Syria put their faith in Assad. That is not a small trust.
2) Assad's cardinal crime is that he wants the Golan Heights back. For that he made an alliance with Iran, after probably been disillusioned with other Arab countries.
3) Assad's fall is a prelude to a wider Middle Eastern War where Hezbollah would be cut-off from supply routes and help and attack against Iran will resume.
4) I wonder what kind of incentive were thrown the way of Turks by GCC and NATO? I mean, just a short time ago, Assad was the same 'tyrant' and the same Assad whose father brutally crushed rebellion but Turks had not problem embracing him? What changed? The 'repression'? That's not new in the Middle East nor even in Turkey (the Kurdish problem).
5) The seeds of anti-Assad campaign were sown in the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel battle where the northern 3rd of Israel was virtually shut-off for several weeks. Assad had to be neutralized before Iran could be neutralized.
6) What is stacked against Assad is formidable: GCC, NATO (including Turks), Israelis, and internal rebels, including Al-Qaida. I had said many months ago that Assad could not survive this. And it seems unlikely that he will, given his own PM has deserted him.
7) Syria, post Assad, will be even more poor and repressive than it was in, say, 2010.

I said it several times....I am Turk...I use Pakistan flag because I love Pakistan..

you well said..there was no problem with syria
problem with Assad has began with death of innocent people

Turks are thinking just humanitarian..

but others are thinking like COLD WAR era strategy (as Turkish FM Davutoglu said 2 years ago)
espacilly Mullas thinking just themself ..not for syrians nor for iranians future

 

[Serpentine]

I said it several times....I am Turk...I use Pakistan flag because I love Pakistan..

you well said..there was no problem with syria
problem with Assad has began with death of innocent people

Turks are thinking just humanitarian..

but others are thinking like COLD WAR era strategy (as Turkish FM Davutoglu said 2 years ago)
espacilly Mullas thinking just themself ..not for syrians nor for iranians future

So if you did it for humanitarian,why didn't you say one single damn word when 1000,000 Iraqis were being killed because of war,sanctions and U.S attack?Why didn't Turkey even condemn using of chemical weapons by Saddam on his own people and also Iranians?People don't get fooled by these beautiful shaped lies.
Humanitarian causes!For God's sake,did you think any sane person gonna to believe that?Turkey is sending rebels and merceneries for every reason except humanitrian ones.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Did we let our soil to be used by USA to attack iraq? .

Did we veto UN sanctions against iran?

Did we send 300,000,000+ to somali for aid?

if we are not humanitiarian then god knows what iranians are

 

[Serpentine]

Did we let our soil to be used by USA to attack iraq? .

Did we veto UN sanctions against iran?

Did we send 300,000,000+ to somali for aid?

if we are not humanitiarian then god knows what iranians are

So tell me,which part of the things you aRe doing in Syria are humanitarian?Sending rebels?Arming them?Doesn't all this to death of more Syrians?From both sides?Don't bring excuses please.

 

[bouncing betty]

Funny how a group of 'retired' military guys wouldn't have enough sense BETWEEN THEM ALL to stay away from a war zone. Was it THAT IMPORTANT to go on a 'pilgrimage' NOW ? I think as this goes on, we'll be seeing more 'retired iranian military pilgrims' pop up.

 

[Pahlevan]

Funny how a group of 'retired' military guys wouldn't have enough sense BETWEEN THEM ALL to stay away from a war zone. Was it THAT IMPORTANT to go on a 'pilgrimage' NOW ? I think as this goes on, we'll be seeing more 'retired iranian military pilgrims' pop up.

Then you obviously don't understand Iranian mentality. We had pilgrims going to Najaf and Karbala during the height of your illegal war against Iraq. So by your logic my 60 year old grandmother is also a "military general" because she went for pilgrimage during unsafe time. What a ridiculous post.

 

[Tabriz Azari]

I think as this goes on, we'll be seeing more 'retired iranian military pilgrims' pop up.

Just send the 3-hiking American Jews who were caught on vacation on the border of Iran-&-Iraq during the US invasion of Iraq. At least the Iranians were in their region. And honestly, Iranians' religious beliefs are none of your business. If I were you, I'd focus on why so many American girls end up in the Jewish-owned **** business. Honestly, I would.

So tell me,which part of the things you aRe doing in Syria are humanitarian?Sending rebels?Arming them?Doesn't all this to death of more Syrians?From both sides?Don't bring excuses please.

Weren't you trying to make some sort of Iran/Turkey "peace" thread earlier? Haven't you learned this character follows Iranians around? Dadashi, gool nakhor az dast-e een profile-ha. Go read this thread to see who those profiles are you are dealing with.

6) What is stacked against Assad is formidable: GCC, NATO (including Turks), Israelis, and internal rebels, including Al-Qaida. I had said many months ago that Assad could not survive this. And it seems unlikely that he will, given his own PM has deserted him. 7) Syria, post Assad, will be even more poor and repressive than it was in, say, 2010.

Agree with #7 if Assad falls (he may also carve out a mini Alawite state). As for #6, Turkey has to deal the Russia and the Kurds (19 million of them), and an emerging Kurdish state that will seek about 1/3 of Turkish territory. So, it won't be a walk in the park for them.

 

[bouncing betty]

Then you obviously don't understand Iranian mentality. We had pilgrims going to Najaf and Karbala during the height of your illegal war against Iraq. So by your logic my 60 year old grandmother is also a "military general" because she went for pilgrimage during unsafe time. What a ridiculous post.

What's 'ridiculous' is going to a war zone for a 'pilgrimage'. If that is 'iranian mentality' than those Revolutiona....I mean 'pilgrims' deserve what they get.

 

[Tabriz Azari]

Iranian special forces should go in...

We should give Syria or the Syrian-Kurds a couple Iranian missiles and let them have some fun with the Al-Qaeda bases in Turkey. That would sober them up really quickly.

 

[Pahlevan]

What's 'ridiculous' is going to a war zone for a 'pilgrimage'. If that is 'iranian mentality' than those Revolutiona....I mean 'pilgrims' deserve what they get.

You just done classic example of switch and bait. Your first argument that they are military generals failed, now you coming with "they are pilgrims, but deserve to die". Please come back when you have something intelligent to say.