27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Irfan Baloch]

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[Windjammer]

Did you miss his 29 April 2019 presser ?

Here is the video. He took back all the claims of 2nd pilot and provided a logical explanation why he made an error in reporting 2 pilots which in fact was only 1 Pilot Pakistan captured.

Read my post again, i clearly stated that i have seen the conference where he explains how he got mixed up with claims of one pilot captured and some others in the area......being confused about numbers of pilots is one thing and disclosing that one has died is something else.....this was repeated by the DG ISPR in another programme as well....and when i bumped into the PAF Air chief in Doha earlier this year, he sidelined my inquisitive on the subject and instead praised my knowledge and interest in the PAF.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

..and when i bumped into the PAF Air chief in Doha earlier this year, he sidelined my inquisitive on the subject and instead praised my knowledge and interest in the PAF.

The true "bureaucrats" take the state secrets to their graves...

PAF had 9 locks (officially)!! How many of them they really exercised????? No human souls (including Evliya), with Nefs attached with them, would remain satisfied with only 2 at the heat of the battle....

 

[F86 Saber]

The theory of SU-30 being hit close to LOC enough that a pilot can drift into Pakistan seems absurd? Why Because The PAF Patch of F-16 HUD indicated Amraam was fired at SU-30 when it was 70-75 KM away. As per Indians it was fired at a max range i.e 90-100 KM IIRC, 39.4 nautical miles was written on the patch. That SU-30 was deep inside the Indian airspace when Hassan Siddiqi decided to engage that SU-30 to keep it away from strike package.

One should keep all of these facts in mind before theorizing that SU-30 was shot down near LOC and a pilot can drift into Pakistan just like that.

Both jets were engaged when they were "INSIDE" Pakistani territory, our jets that fired towards them were deep inside our own border. I do know further details which can explain further but since no official channel released this information (although i don't think it might be sensitive) i am going to refrain from posting anything else.

The 2nd Pilot theories are all gossip, however i remember senior members posting here as well that we were aware of Israeli presence in IoK before, during and after the 27/2 incident for weapon system integration. I honestly have nothing against Israel or Jews in general, however it is possible that they were in process of integrating a new weapon system on the SU-30 and since the Indian pilots did not have enough experience handling it, they sent an Israeli pilot to handle it. Do remember that the GIBS on an SU-30 is also the WSO.

 

[Mace]

Both jets were engaged when they were "INSIDE" Pakistani territory, our jets that fired towards them were deep inside our own border. I do know further details which can explain further but since no official channel released this information (although i don't think it might be sensitive) i am going to refrain from posting anything else.

The 2nd Pilot theories are all gossip, however i remember senior members posting here as well that we were aware of Israeli presence in IoK before, during and after the 27/2 incident for weapon system integration. I honestly have nothing against Israel or Jews in general, however it is possible that they were in process of integrating a new weapon system on the SU-30 and since the Indian pilots did not have enough experience handling it, they sent an Israeli pilot to handle it. Do remember that the GIBS on an SU-30 is also the WSO.

The 2nd IAF aircraft was over Pak territory and you don’t have a reliable radar image to confirm ?? Doesn’t seem plausible.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The 2nd IAF aircraft was over Pak territory and you don’t have a reliable radar image to confirm ?? Doesn’t seem plausible.

Where are the pictures of this 2nd jet, within hours villagers took a pictures of down IAF Mig-21 and post it on twitter/Facebook etc etc

 

[F86 Saber]

The 2nd IAF aircraft was over Pak territory and you don’t have a reliable radar image to confirm ?? Doesn’t seem plausible.

I am just a noob, many of the senior members have already stated that we not only have RADAR data available, we have recordings of radio communication between different IAF platforms. Why PAF chose not to release it is due to political pressure from Russia and because of the fact that we had a live IAF Wing Commander in our custody plus footage from H weapons to show what we were capable of.

 

[Destrius]

What's with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

Mig21 shoots down F16
Mig21 then gets shot down
Pakistan claims to also shoot down Su30 so as not to lose face, expecting clear evidence of downed f16 to be revealed.
Lucky for Pakistan, they could deny their f16 loss.
They then withdraw anything about shooting Su30 as they have no need to save face anymore.

 

[Bilal.]

What's with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

Mig21 shoots down F16
Mig21 then gets shot down
Pakistan claims to also shoot down Su30 so as not to lose face, expecting clear evidence of downed f16 to be revealed.
Lucky for Pakistan, they could deny their f16 loss.
They then withdraw anything about shooting Su30 as they have no need to save face anymore.

What’s with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

F16s shoot down a Mig21 and an SU30

India claims to also shoot down F16 so as not to lose face, due to a clear evidence of Mig21 downing and expecting the same for the downed SU30.

Lucky for India, they could deny their Su30 loss.

They then keep up with their claim as they have a need to save face.

 

[Destrius]

What’s with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

F16s shoot down a Mig21 and an SU30

India claims to also shoot down F16 so as not to lose face, due to a clear evidence of Mig21 dowing and expecting the same for the downed SU30.

Lucky for India, they could deny their Su30 loss.

They then keep up with their claim as they have a need to save face.

You see Imran Khan, in his New York Times opinion piece after 370 revocation, only mentioned shooting down one plane. It's obvious the claim about shooting down the Su30 was only for domestic consumption. If no f16 had been shot down, Pakistan would have initially only claimed to have shot down the mig21. It only makes sense to fake shooting down an Su30 if they thought their loss of an f16 would have been found out.

 

[SIPRA]

What’s with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

F16s shoot down a Mig21 and an SU30

India claims to also shoot down F16 so as not to lose face, due to a clear evidence of Mig21 downing and expecting the same for the downed SU30.

Lucky for India, they could deny their Su30 loss.

They then keep up with their claim as they have a need to save face.

 

[Bilal.]

You see Imran Khan, in his New York Times opinion piece after 370 revocation, only mentioned shooting down one plane. It's obvious the claim about shooting down the Su30 was only for domestic consumption. If no f16 had been shot down, Pakistan would have initially only claimed to have shot down the mig21. It only makes sense to fake shooting down an Su30 if they thought their loss of an f16 would have been found out.

You see Imran Khan, in his New York Times opinion piece after 370 revocation, only mentioned shooting down one plane. It's obvious the claim about shooting down the Su30 was only for domestic consumption. If no f16 had been shot down, Pakistan would have initially only claimed to have shot down the mig21. It only makes sense to fake shooting down an Su30 if they thought their loss of an f16 would have been found out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

[airomerix]

What's with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

Mig21 shoots down F16
Mig21 then gets shot down
Pakistan claims to also shoot down Su30 so as not to lose face, expecting clear evidence of downed f16 to be revealed.
Lucky for Pakistan, they could deny their f16 loss.
They then withdraw anything about shooting Su30 as they have no need to save face anymore.

I want to smoke what you're smoking.

 

[PakSword]

What's with all these conspiracy theories? What happened was very simple.

Mig21 shoots down F16
Mig21 then gets shot down
Pakistan claims to also shoot down Su30 so as not to lose face, expecting clear evidence of downed f16 to be revealed.
Lucky for Pakistan, they could deny their f16 loss.
They then withdraw anything about shooting Su30 as they have no need to save face anymore.

You are invited to attend a ceremony of F-16 downing being held on 27th Feb 2020 on PDF..

Chief host is @Areesh

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I want to smoke what you're smoking.

No buddy you really don't want that.