27/2 PAF Strikes in IoK- India's Other Major Losses on the ground l DG ISPR confirms.

[Gandhi G in da house]

This thread is not about the air skirmish but the Pakistani ground strike. So far the Indian government has not even seriously tired to debunk any of the Pakistani claims other than issuing a blanket statement that all Pakistani bombs missed. No images, no nothing to refute Pakistani claims. Their sole focus this entire time has been on proving that they downed a Pakistani F-16 and how the Pakistani strike package ran away

What is the need to release any proof or debunk any Pakistani claims ?

Pakistan has been claiming that they missed the targets deliberately and bombed open fields just to send India a message. India is also saying the same thing except that Pakistan missed by mistake and not by design. There is practically no difference between the two sides claims on damage done, so where's the need to disprove anything ?

Public domain? Its is out in public now. Cant be more higher then the DG ISPR himself.

Two questions officially asked from India about ground strikes

1) Who was inside the Dev HQ when PAF dropped its bombs around it.
2) What is the state of Indian army ammo depo.

Are the claims made by the OP also made by the DG ISPR ? Also DG ISPR isn't exactly the authority on anything. Even the IAF/Indian Government has made claims that you don't believe because they couldn't provide concrete proof of the same.

The only real damage that has been proven till now amongst all claims and counter-claims has been that of an Indian MiG 21 jet. That is still a positive result for Pakistan. It's better to stick to this rather than keep making claims you cant prove because then you will invite similar claims from the other side.

What circumstential evidence are you talking about? Used ARRAM missile parts, or stating that the engine cowling from a Mig-21 was from F-16. Your media along with IAF had been making ridiculous claims about it, even on one of the channels an expert said that Indian media is making false claims in regards to engine cowling pictures. All your media had done is spread disinformation, where as General Ghafoor made it clear that although two jets had been shot down, but we only had one Pilot. The same statement was made by him via Twitter the very same day. You guys are behaving as if only made the statement about arresting two downed pilots and never made the correction.

We have already moved on, it is India which is stuck at it.

Radar signatures shared by IAF and the fact that the Pakistani government first claimed capturing two pilots and then later corrected to one. Pak Govt. or DG ISPR has never given a clear explanation for the reason for the confusion. Even some people on the ground in Pakistan claimed to have captured one more pilot besides Abhi. Come on, don't tell me you are not curious about this second pilot theory. It doesn't concretely prove anything but does raise a suspicion if Pakistan is trying to hide something.

 

[SIPRA]

What is the need to release any proof or debunk any Pakistani claims ?

Pakistan has been claiming that they missed the targets deliberately and bombed open fields just to send India a message. India is also saying the same thing except that Pakistan missed by mistake and not by design. There is practically no difference between the two sides claims on damage done, so where's the need to disprove anything ?

Yes. Your point is valid, in a logical sense. But, you shall appreciate that India and Pakistan are in a state of low intensity war. So this information warfare is also part of that and would need to be viewed in that light.

 

[Trailer23]

India is also saying the same thing except that Pakistan missed by mistake and not by design.

Really? How many times has the narrative of India changed on the Balakot Incident to date?
*Killed between 300-350
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...00-militants-sources/articleshow/68165466.cms

*Don't have actual figures
https://www.news18.com/news/india/a...ief-dhanoa-on-balakot-casualties-2054845.html

*Flew over PAK Airspace for 21mins
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/the-21-minute-iaf-thunder/735215.html

*Did NOT fly into PAK Airspace but actually bombed from Indian Airspace.

...and what evidence is that you have that Pakistan missed by mistake and not by design?

Are you aware of any (real) damage done on ground? Perhaps something to do with the shockwaves in nearby storage.

Are the claims made by the OP also made by the DG ISPR ? Also DG ISPR isn't exactly the authority on anything.

The DG ISPR is the spokesperson for the Pakistan Armed Forces & states everything officially after clearance from GHQ.

And i'm pretty certain that we have a better knowledge of the DG ISPR than any (random) Indian citizen.

Even the IAF/Indian Government has made claims that you don't believe because they couldn't provide concrete proof of the same.

The IAF/Gov't. of India have made claims that the common Indian doesn't believe, let alone someone across the border.

Even some people on the ground in Pakistan claimed to have captured one more pilot besides Abhi. Come on, don't tell me you are not curious about this second pilot theory. It doesn't concretely prove anything but does raise a suspicion if Pakistan is trying to hide something.

Questions are raised, but certainly not about losing any of our jets and/or Pilots. Maybe...we have something, or someone. I guess you'll just have to remain 'curious' for as long as it takes.

 

[Fledgingwings]

India ki to ku**on wali ho gayi.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Really? How many times has the narrative of India changed on the Balakot Incident to date?
*Killed between 300-350
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...00-militants-sources/articleshow/68165466.cms

*Don't have actual figures
https://www.news18.com/news/india/a...ief-dhanoa-on-balakot-casualties-2054845.html

*Flew over PAK Airspace for 21mins
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/the-21-minute-iaf-thunder/735215.html

*Did NOT fly into PAK Airspace but actually bombed from Indian Airspace.

...and what evidence is that you have that Pakistan missed by mistake and not by design?

Are you aware of any (real) damage done on ground? Perhaps something to do with the shockwaves in nearby storage.

The DG ISPR is the spokesperson for the Pakistan Armed Forces & states everything officially after clearance from GHQ.

And i'm pretty certain that we have a better knowledge of the DG ISPR than any (random) Indian citizen.

The IAF/Gov't. of India have made claims that the common Indian doesn't believe, let alone someone across the border.

Questions are raised, but certainly not about losing any of our jets and/or Pilots. Maybe...we have something, or someone. I guess you'll just have to remain 'curious' for as long as it takes.

Too much non sensical drivel to be responded to. will just say that i wasn't referring to damage done in Balakot strikes but about the damage done in PAF strikes in Kashmir. Your post makes no sense. Please look at the context of the post written and then respond so that you make sense.

 

[untitled]

Pakistan missed by mistake

I stillll remember the post on 27 Feb made by I believe it was @KRAIT where he said you guys have attacked a brigade HQ. This means war. He was the first to break this news on PDF even before any Pakistani. At that time even I didn't believe him.

Even if all the PAF bombs had missed as you say then that would have given tonnes of material to the Indian propaganda machine. A point which has not been exploited at all

 

[Thorough Pro]

false news. This is brand new under development Grippen test flight and crash video.

Another day another claim.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1111982579320803328

@Windjammer this is new or old news video?

The world has satellites and can see them on the other hand Raj47 pehlay satellite ki gaaf mein ghusa rehta tha ab lagta hai satellite us ki gaaf mein ghus gia hay. MC, RKB

India didn't release a single image of what PAF did to them in IOK. They said "PAF bombs missed their targets" - fair enough, why not show the world they missed them.

This is how Indians must be feeling like IAF, IA, IN, Foreign Ministry, Prime Minister, Media, Experts on Media, smelly indians .....

 

[iLION12345_1]

Too much non sensical drivel to be responded to. will just say that i wasn't referring to damage done in Balakot strikes but about the damage done in PAF strikes in Kashmir. Your post makes no sense. Please look at the context of the post written and then respond so that you make sense.

So when you present something with no proof. That suddenly makes sense and is true, but when we present something with proof. It’s nonsensical. Great logic. Good work. Only in India.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Was able to locate general area but problem is Google Map is not updated. We need subscription of some commercial sat imagery website. ZoomEarth has higher resolution than Google Map but pics there are even older than available on Google Map. I was able to find patrol track of IA on Siachen using ZoomEarth as infrastructure there is more static than in urban areas where they keep shifting assets and buildings.

 

[SIPRA]

I stillll remember the post on 27 Feb made by I believe it was @KRAIT where he said you guys have attacked a div HQ. This means war. He was the first one to break this news before any Pakistani on PDF. At that time even I didn't believe it

Even if all the PAF bombs had missed as you say then that would have given tonnes of material to the Indian propaganda machine. A point which has not been exploited at all

A correction, Sir. It was not Div HQ, but Brigade HQ.

 

[Goenitz]

Amazing thing is that this OP actually believes his own creations of fantasy

Cheers , carry on !

I dont think u shd get a -ve rating. Have you complained..?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Are the claims made by the OP also made by the DG ISPR ? Also DG ISPR isn't exactly the authority on anything. Even the IAF/Indian Government has made claims that you don't believe because they couldn't provide concrete proof of the same.

The only real damage that has been proven till now amongst all claims and counter-claims has been that of an Indian MiG 21 jet. That is still a positive result for Pakistan. It's better to stick to this rather than keep making claims you cant prove because then you will invite similar claims from the other side.

Claims made by OP are absolutely in line with the "Questions" asked by ISPR towards India. OP claimed that Indian ammo depo has collapsed not due to direct hit but because of the shockwaves of the Pakistani bombs dropped around it. ISPR didn't claim such but questioned India to come clean about the current state of the depo under the scanner. Till date, there has been complete silence from India. India can rebuff it if it likes but no word at all.

Pakistani media is buzzing with the news that Indian army chief, General Bippin was inside the dev HQ when PAF dropped bombs around it. ISPR is not claiming such but again asking India to come clean about the identity of the person who was inside dev HQ on that day.

As for DG ISPR being not being the authority, I hope you have not lost your marbles, but he is THE authority to speak about the matters relating to Pakistan national security issues.

 

[Vortex]

@nick_indian

To add fuel to the discussion, here a thread of what was said as a test, but it could have been used for strike on near Indian headquarters :


PAF successfully test-fires indigenously developed long-range smart weapon from JF-17 Thunder

Look at the power of the shockwave.

 

[HawkEye27]

Operation Swift Retort

 

[Telescopic Sight]

I dont think u shd get a -ve rating. Have you complained..?

I have not complained to anyone. In fact , there is little balance , logic and knowledge left in this forum these days. Including some mods TBF.

Should have some age minimum here, at least 18 years , if you ask me.