22 top airforces (based on plane quality and quantity).

[Wickerman]

Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damned lies and statistics"

 

[wakapdf]

hahaha nice nice. SPSS?

 

[Death Rattle]

Aslo IAF has A2G power of 543 now and PAF has A2G power of 252,so in this category also IAF has more than twice the power of PAF.

 

[Death Rattle]

So IAF is leagues ahead of PAF.

 

[airmarshal]

Very nice and innovative idea to compare Air Forces. thanks 500!

But 21 Air Forces combined will not be able to counter the no. 1 Air Force that is USAF. Do you agree with that?

 

[cabatli_53]

Well numbers are changing all the time. Currently China, India and Turkey are very rapidly growing.

Turkey

213 F-16 C/D
52 F-4 Terminator 2020
110 F-4
87 F-5
AEW&C: 1 Boeing 737 AEW&C
tanker: 7 KC-135

336/419

-Current number 240 F-16 (Around 210 CCIP and 30 Block 50+)
-AEW&C 4 of them to be delivered in 2013
-100 (guaranteed as a partner)+ Max. 20 more F-35 order will be placed year by year. First 2 F-35 to be delivered in 2015.
-TF-X fighter aircrafts which TAI-SAAB collaboration is studying over design, will start trials by 2020.

 

[hari sud]

There is a flaw in the lead articles assigning points i.e. Each upgrade of f-18 and f-16 have been given better & better points but the same is not true for upgrades of Su-mk1, Mig-29, Mirage -2000, jaguar etc.

Each of the upgrade of the above planes should have higher points.

Only then we are comparing apples with apples. Otherwise this comparison is American centeric

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan

75 JF-17 --------------------------JF-17 = 0.9/0.8 (67.5 Points/ 60 Points)
45 F-16A/B------------------------F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2 (49.5 Points/54 Points)
18 F-16C block 52+---------------F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2 (19.8 Points/ 21 Points)


75 Mirage III-----------------------Mirage 3/5 = 0.3/0.4 (Wrong) 0.7/0.7 (52.5 Points/ 52.5 Points)
83 Mirage V------------------------Mirage 3/5 = 0.3/0.4 (Wrong) 0.7/0.7 (58.5 Points/ 58.5 Points)


186 F-7 [Incorrect Value]---------[No Ranking] F-7 = 0.7/0.5 (130.2 Points / 93 Points)

AEW&C:
4 SAAB Erieye ------------------------6/0 (24 Points / 0)
2 ZDK-03--------------------------------4/0 (8 Points)
3 Dassault Falcon 20--------------------3/0 [No Ranking] (9 Points)

Refuelers:
4 Ilyushin Il-78 -------------------------2/6 (8 Points / 24)
3 Boeing 707 -------------------------2/6 (8 Points / 21)

Total

(48 Points/ 40 Points)
(67.5 Points/ 60 Points)
(49.5 Points/54 Points)
(19.8 Points/ 21 Points)
(52.5 Points/ 52.5 Points)
(58.5 Points/ 58.5 Points)
(130.2 Points / 93 Points)


(24 Points / 0)
(8 Points/0)
(9 Points/0)

(8 Points / 24)
(8 Points / 21)



Pakistan Airforce Strength (Attack / Defence)
434.5/386

Final Ranking for Pakistan
869/386 = 1255


*Lets not forget we are about to get J10B

The final results:

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China - 2623
4) Israel - 1440
5) India - 1351
6) Pakistan 1256 (We did not even consider All Pakistani F16 Can carry Nukes)
7) Japan - 1254 (They lost many planes in Tsunami 2011)
8) Korea - 1107
9) Turkey - 1091
10) Egypt - 902
11) France - 883
12) UK - 874
13) Greece - 746
14) Germany - 702
15) UAE - 559
16) Singapore - 519
17) Sweden - 512
18) Italy - 510
19) Spain - 489
20) Australia - 395
21) Canada - 356
22) S. Arabia - ???? 80 undelivered Euro Fighter and yet undelivered 72 F15 Strike Eagle)

Pakistan is still to get

+ 150 - 200 more JF17 thunder block 2
+ 36 J10B

with no restriction from Uncle SAM we deal with China

 

[Alphacharlie]

That is true. My advise is:

1. Never trust any western source regarding Chinese military. Especially Kanwa and Russian source, the only worthy English source is Fisher. For example, right now the Russians are saying that Russsia is gonna "sell" 48 SU-35BM to China, lol. This same bullcrap is said 6 years ago. In 2006, Russia say: " China is gonna buy 50 SU-33, 6 destoryers, and 12 Kilo subs". LOL, did this came true?? NO !!!
2. Always use Chinese sources, Baidu is a good tool, however it is all in Chinese.


Russia still have edges, you must take Air lift capability, and Stratagic Bombing capability. Russia is far ahead, and these two capabilities are VITAL for Air Forces, I would put air lift capability ahead of Air Force's strike capability. The reason is that Chinese Army is FAR superior to the Indian army and can crush the Indian Army in weeks, however, that require logistic support. Right now, Chinese air lift capability is not very outstanging.

Currenty it consits of:
1. 80 Y-8 transports can carry 75 troops with max payload of just 20 tons.
2. 16 IL-76.

This is gonna change very very soon, because Y-20 will first fly later this year. It will have a payload of 62 tons. Also, Y-20 will enable China to truely mass produce KJ-2000 and advanced air refueling tankers. These two are also VITAL for any air forces.

China is also developing an advanced bomber although it is kept at top secret !!!

By 2020, if things go smoothly. China will have:

1. Around 70 Y-20 heavy air lift transport.
2. 5+10=15 KJ-2000.
3. 40 H-6 refuel tanker + 10 Y-20 refuel tankers.



To me, I am much more concer about these developments rather than just have more fighters and strike planes. The strength of a modern airforce is messured by the overall strength rather than just fighters.

You also need to know that, China is very special. China can NOT buy these things from other countries and it must develop them on her own. Where country like Isreal can safely fall on America, China can NOT.


Anyway, your threat is excellent.

RUBBISH PLA CAN DO A JACK TO THE INDIAN ARMY

 

[Mosamania]

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China - 2623
4) Israel - 1440
5) India - 1351
6) Pakistan 1256 (We did not even consider All Pakistani F16 Can carry Nukes)
7) Japan - 1254 (They lost many planes in Tsunami 2011)
8) Korea - 1107
9) Turkey - 1091
10) Egypt - 902
11) France - 883
12) UK - 874
13) Greece - 746
14) Germany - 702
15) UAE - 559
16) Singapore - 519
17) Sweden - 512
18) Italy - 510
19) Spain - 489
20) Australia - 395
21) Canada - 356
22) S. Arabia - ???? 80 undelivered Euro Fighter and yet undelivered 72 F15 Strike Eagle)

Man I really petty that stick up your a$$ KSA caused you obviously you know nothing of the RSAF or it's recent deals so don't bother.

 

[Storm Force]

Good job to the THREAD STARTER.

im astonished that India has the 6th best air force in the world.

i HONESTLY fel the RAF & FRENCH airforces would give india a run for their money

good effort nonetheless and very intresting

PS i have long thought the SAUDIS have a magnificent air force

 

[Mosamania]

Estimate is very rough so its within statistical error. More correct would be like this:

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
4-5-6) India=Israel=Saudi Arabia
7) Japan
8-9) South Korea=Turkey
10-11-12) Egypt=France=UK

Although Egypt should be penalized for very little BVR jets. As for the future, Saudi Arabia gets F-15SA, but Israel gets F-35...

joekrish, BronzePlaque, thanks guys

I believe the F-15SA should get a higher ranking in capabilities to the F-15SG considering it will have built in IRST, and Fly-by-wire and the APG-63v3 AESA, F-110 GE with 32k pounds of thrust. And that at 154 of them.

 

[danger007]

what about super upgrade of MKI? it gives more teeth to MKI..

 

[farhan_9909]

Man I really petty that stick up your a$$ KSA caused you obviously you know nothing of the RSAF or it's recent deals so don't bother.

No iran in the list?

he didnt found iran i guess

 

[Storm Force]

I dont knows AZAD PAKISTAN you messing about with nos especially doubling the capability of those ancient 2nd generation mirages WILL NOT GET you to 1200 POINTS.

Any second or early 3rd generation fighter is worth a FRACTION of a true 4th generation

ie 0.2 to 0.4 AT BEST of a F16/52/ SU30/ EURO CANARD or F15 & F18.

And this includes ALL MIGS to BE NO more than 0.3