22 top airforces (based on plane quality and quantity).

[Toothless]

do the RE-3A count? we own three of them

 

[Mosamania]

do the RE-3A count? we own three of them

1 is for SIGINT operations the other two is for Electronic Warfare, Jamming etc.
@500 how would you place those?

 

[Toothless]

1 is for SIGINT operations the other two is for Electronic Warfare, Jamming etc.
@500 how would you place those?

Yeah I know btw the three of them will be back home in 2018, which is why we got isr king air. All of them are being heavily upgraded and I'll give you the link at night since I've to leave know.

 

[Mosamania]

Yeah I know btw the three of them will be back home in 2018, which is why we got isr king air. All of them are being heavily upgraded and I'll give you the link at night since I've to leave know.

No they will be back at 2015.

 

[Hyperion]

A very decent comparative analysis. I like your point scaling system. Copyright it before dumb-*** Janes picks it up!

I was bored and decided to estimate airforces strength. I wrote down the list of active aircrafts for each air force and then counted score.

Here is method I used. F-16C I used as base: 1 air-air point/1 air to ground point. For other aircrafts my estimates are follow:

F-16C = 1/1
F-16A = 0.8/0.8
F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2
F-15A = 1.2/0.5
F-15C = 1.3/0.5
F-15E = 1.4/1.5
F-15S = 1.3/1.4
F-15SG = 1.5/1.5
F-18A = 1/1.1
F-18F = 1.3/1.3
F-2 = 1.3/1.2
F-16AM = 1/08
Mirage 2000 = 1/1
Typhoon (MESA radar) = 1.3/1.1
Rafale (PESA radar) = 1.2/1.2
Tornado IDS = 0.5/1.2
Tornado ADV = 1/0.6
F-4 = 0.4/0.7
F-4 Terminator = 0.6/1
Su-27 = 1.2/0.4
MiG-29 = 0.9/0.5
Su-30MKI = 1.3/1.2
Su-30MKK = 1.2/1.2
MiG-21 aka J7 = 0.3/0.4
MiG-27 = 0.3/0.7
JF-17 = 0.9/0.8
AMX = 0.3/0.5
Mirage F.1 = 0.7/0.8
Mirage 3/5 = 0.3/0.4
Jaguar = 0.2/0.6
F-5 = 0.3/0.4
J-10 = 1/1
J-8 = 0.6/0.4
JH-7 = 0.5/1.1
Q-5 = 0.1/0.4
H-6 = 0/1

E-3, Phalcon, KJ-2000, Boeing 737 = 8/0
Saab, KJ-200 = 6/0
E-2C, ZDK-03 = 4/0

jet tanker = 2/6
KC-130, H-6 tankers = 1/4

Here the results:

UK

86 Typhoon
136 Tornado GR4
AEW&C: 7 E-3
tanker: 4 Tristar, 12 VC-10

260 air to air points/354 air to ground points

France

59 Rafale
158 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 4 E-3
tanker: 14 KC-135

285/313

Germany

55 Typhoon
177 Tornado IDS
45 F-4
tanker: 4 A310

187/328

Israel

25 F-15I
30 F-15 C/D
30 F-15 A/B
101 F-16I
135 F-16C/D
100 F-16A/B
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 7 KC-707, 5 KC-130

487/466=1440

India

146 Su-30MKI
45 Mirage 2000
68 MiG-29
88 MiG-27ML
152 MiG-21Bis
120 Jaguar
AEW&C: 3 Phalcon
tanker: 7 IL-78MKI

430/491

Turkey

213 F-16 C/D
52 F-4 Terminator 2020
110 F-4
87 F-5
AEW&C: 1 Boeing 737 AEW&C
tanker: 7 KC-135

336/419

Korea

60 F-15K
169 F-16C/D
84 F-4E
170 F-5E
AEW&C: 2 Boeing 737

354/399

Japan

82 F-2
180 F-15C/D
117 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 E-767, 13 E-2C
tanker: 4 KC-767

480/294

Saudi Arabia

72 Typhoon
109 F-15C/D
72 F-15S
87 Tornado IDS
24 Tornado ADV
120 F-5
AEW&C: 5 E-3
tanker: 8 KE-3

488/449

China

190 J-10
100 Su-30MKK
189 Su-27 and J-11
180 J-8
280 J-7 (MiG-21)
60 JH-7
180 Q-5
110 H-6 (Tu-16)
AEW&C: 5 KJ-2000, 2 KJ-200
tanker: 8 IL-78, 10 H-6

859/905

Italy

55 Typhoon
78 Tornado IDS
14 F-16A ADF
55 AMX
tanker: 2 KC-767, 2 KC-130

148/214=510

Spain

32 Typhoon
86 F-18A
24 Mirage F.1
tanker: 2 KC-707, 5 KC-130

154/181

Greece

126 F-16C/D
30 F-16C block 52+
44 Mirage 2000
57 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 Erieye

250/246

Pakistan

50 JF-17
45 F-16A/B
18 F-16C block 52+
75 Mirage III
83 Mirage V
144 F-7
AEW&C: 4 Erieye, 2 ZDK-03

224/219

Egypt

40 F-16A
178 F-16C
18 Mirage 2000
32 F-4E
115 MiG-21 & J-7
60 Mirage V
AEW&C: 8 E-2C

291/320

UAE

79 F-16E
68 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 2 Saab 340
tanker: 3 Airbus 330

189/181

Canada

103 F-18A
tanker: 2 A-310, 5 KC-130

112/145

Australia

71 F-18A
21 F-18F
AEW&C: 4 Boeing 737
tanker: 3 A330

136/123=395

Singapore

24 F-15SG
54 F-16C
20 F-16C block 52+
49 F-5
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 4 KC-135, 5 KC-130

171/177

Sweden

158 Gripen
AEW&C: 4 Saab 340
tanker: 1 KC-130

183/146

Final points I calculated air-air points*2 + ground points

The final results:

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China - 2623
4) Israel - 1440
5) S. Arabia - 1425
6) India - 1351
7) Japan - 1254
8) Korea - 1107
9) Turkey - 1091
10) Egypt - 902
11) France - 883
12) UK - 874
13) Greece - 746
14) Germany - 702
15) Pakistan - 667
16) UAE - 559
17) Singapore - 519
18) Sweden - 512
19) Italy - 510
20) Spain - 489
21) Australia - 395
22) Canada - 356

This estimate is still subjective does not include personnel quality and UAVs.

 

[Toothless]

No they will be back at 2015.

Thanks mosa, Although I had a good source who said it wont be back before 2018, but I couldn't find it again. I lost it in the arabian defense forum which was taken down

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Thanks mosa, Although I had a good source who said it wont be back before 2018, but I couldn't find it again. I lost it in the arabian defense forum which was taken down

Yah, 4flying, I was one of the very first members who joined it. It was the best defense forum ever with more than 40k members but it's problem was it's old rag tag theme.

 

[474474]

Lies. Lies everywhere.

Who needs quality when you've got swag. We should bring sabres back, one of the swaggiest planes in history.
Cuz #YOLO

 

[Neptune]

I was bored and decided to estimate airforces strength. I wrote down the list of active aircrafts for each air force and then counted score.

Here is method I used. F-16C I used as base: 1 air-air point/1 air to ground point. For other aircrafts my estimates are follow:

F-16C = 1/1
F-16A = 0.8/0.8
F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2
F-15A = 1.2/0.5
F-15C = 1.3/0.5
F-15E = 1.4/1.5
F-15S = 1.3/1.4
F-15SG = 1.5/1.5
F-18A = 1/1.1
F-18F = 1.3/1.3
F-2 = 1.3/1.2
F-16AM = 1/08
Mirage 2000 = 1/1
Typhoon (MESA radar) = 1.3/1.1
Rafale (PESA radar) = 1.2/1.2
Tornado IDS = 0.5/1.2
Tornado ADV = 1/0.6
F-4 = 0.4/0.7
F-4 Terminator = 0.6/1
Su-27 = 1.2/0.4
MiG-29 = 0.9/0.5
Su-30MKI = 1.3/1.2
Su-30MKK = 1.2/1.2
MiG-21 aka J7 = 0.3/0.4
MiG-27 = 0.3/0.7
JF-17 = 0.9/0.8
AMX = 0.3/0.5
Mirage F.1 = 0.7/0.8
Mirage 3/5 = 0.3/0.4
Jaguar = 0.2/0.6
F-5 = 0.3/0.4
J-10 = 1/1
J-8 = 0.6/0.4
JH-7 = 0.5/1.1
Q-5 = 0.1/0.4
H-6 = 0/1

E-3, Phalcon, KJ-2000, Boeing 737 = 8/0
Saab, KJ-200 = 6/0
E-2C, ZDK-03 = 4/0

jet tanker = 2/6
KC-130, H-6 tankers = 1/4

Here the results:

UK

86 Typhoon
136 Tornado GR4
AEW&C: 7 E-3
tanker: 4 Tristar, 12 VC-10

260 air to air points/354 air to ground points

France

59 Rafale
158 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 4 E-3
tanker: 14 KC-135

285/313

Germany

55 Typhoon
177 Tornado IDS
45 F-4
tanker: 4 A310

187/328

Israel

25 F-15I
30 F-15 C/D
30 F-15 A/B
101 F-16I
135 F-16C/D
100 F-16A/B
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 7 KC-707, 5 KC-130

487/466=1440

India

146 Su-30MKI
45 Mirage 2000
68 MiG-29
88 MiG-27ML
152 MiG-21Bis
120 Jaguar
AEW&C: 3 Phalcon
tanker: 7 IL-78MKI

430/491

Turkey

213 F-16 C/D
52 F-4 Terminator 2020
110 F-4
87 F-5
AEW&C: 1 Boeing 737 AEW&C
tanker: 7 KC-135

336/419

Korea

60 F-15K
169 F-16C/D
84 F-4E
170 F-5E
AEW&C: 2 Boeing 737

354/399

Japan

82 F-2
180 F-15C/D
117 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 E-767, 13 E-2C
tanker: 4 KC-767

480/294

Saudi Arabia

72 Typhoon
109 F-15C/D
72 F-15S
87 Tornado IDS
24 Tornado ADV
120 F-5
AEW&C: 5 E-3
tanker: 8 KE-3

488/449

China

190 J-10
100 Su-30MKK
189 Su-27 and J-11
180 J-8
280 J-7 (MiG-21)
60 JH-7
180 Q-5
110 H-6 (Tu-16)
AEW&C: 5 KJ-2000, 2 KJ-200
tanker: 8 IL-78, 10 H-6

859/905

Italy

55 Typhoon
78 Tornado IDS
14 F-16A ADF
55 AMX
tanker: 2 KC-767, 2 KC-130

148/214=510

Spain

32 Typhoon
86 F-18A
24 Mirage F.1
tanker: 2 KC-707, 5 KC-130

154/181

Greece

126 F-16C/D
30 F-16C block 52+
44 Mirage 2000
57 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 Erieye

250/246

Pakistan

50 JF-17
45 F-16A/B
18 F-16C block 52+
75 Mirage III
83 Mirage V
144 F-7
AEW&C: 4 Erieye, 2 ZDK-03

224/219

Egypt

40 F-16A
178 F-16C
18 Mirage 2000
32 F-4E
115 MiG-21 & J-7
60 Mirage V
AEW&C: 8 E-2C

291/320

UAE

79 F-16E
68 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 2 Saab 340
tanker: 3 Airbus 330

189/181

Canada

103 F-18A
tanker: 2 A-310, 5 KC-130

112/145

Australia

71 F-18A
21 F-18F
AEW&C: 4 Boeing 737
tanker: 3 A330

136/123=395

Singapore

24 F-15SG
54 F-16C
20 F-16C block 52+
49 F-5
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 4 KC-135, 5 KC-130

171/177

Sweden

158 Gripen
AEW&C: 4 Saab 340
tanker: 1 KC-130

183/146

Final points I calculated air-air points*2 + ground points

The final results:

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China - 2623
4) Israel - 1440
5) S. Arabia - 1425
6) India - 1351
7) Japan - 1254
8) Korea - 1107
9) Turkey - 1091
10) Egypt - 902
11) France - 883
12) UK - 874
13) Greece - 746
14) Germany - 702
15) Pakistan - 667
16) UAE - 559
17) Singapore - 519
18) Sweden - 512
19) Italy - 510
20) Spain - 489
21) Australia - 395
22) Canada - 356

This estimate is still subjective does not include personnel quality and UAVs.

well done. A good comparison. But please update turkey .

we have more than 227 F-16C/D and about 40 F-16A/B's which 60 of them are blocks.
And we have 4 AEW&C peace eagles not 1.
Thank you. By the way I think you should also add the helicopters and transportation aircraft.

 

[force1]

gud job i this this thred will never close lol,,, u keep updating lol

 

[xyxmt]

now that we have done 22 top, lets make a list of top 160 air forces, I have nothing better to do than read these fairy tales

 

[500]

well done. A good comparison. But please update turkey .

we have more than 227 F-16C/D and about 40 F-16A/B's which 60 of them are blocks.
And we have 4 AEW&C peace eagles not 1.
Thank you. By the way I think you should also add the helicopters and transportation aircraft.

Well according to wiki Turkey has now:

38 Block 30
104 Block 40
76 Block 50
30 Advanced Block 50

336/419 that adds 38/41 = 374/460 = 1208 points/ Thus Turkey overtakes Korea and approaches very close to Japan.

The updated top ten:

1) USA - 12690
2) Russia - 3639
3) China - 3159
4) S. Arabia - 1425
5) Israel - 1420
6) India - 1351
7) Japan - 1254
8) Turkey - 1208
9) Korea - 1107
10) Taiwan - 982

 

[Neptune]

Well according to wiki Turkey has now:

38 Block 30
104 Block 40
76 Block 50
30 Advanced Block 50

336/419 that adds 38/41 = 374/460 = 1208 points/ Thus Turkey overtakes Korea and approaches very close to Japan.

The updated top ten:

1) USA - 12690
2) Russia - 3639
3) China - 3159
4) S. Arabia - 1425
5) Israel - 1420
6) India - 1351
7) Japan - 1254
8) Turkey - 1208
9) Korea - 1107
10) Taiwan - 982

okay, a nice one. But it'd be really hard for you to update it everytime when someone posts. By the way are you thinking of adding rotor fixed aircraft, transportation aircraft. And also making a list for army and navy (I will be appreciated to help)

 

[Neptune]

@500 Guess wiki's dead. I just looked to TuAF at wiki. And the freshest source about the number of aircraft is from 2010 or 2007. I just called a buddy from the air force. He said that turkey has just a litte bit more than 300 F-16C/D's including all A/B versions. Because they are upgraded as C/D. And 1/3 of these 300 are blocks. And he added that we have 9 or 11 KC-135R not 7. And our first A400M is expected to be delivered in the middle of march! Regardss

 

[sancho]

I was bored and decided to estimate airforces strength. I wrote down the list of active aircrafts for each air force and then counted score.

Hats off for the effort, must took you quiet some time!

The result however is highly debatable, since you mainly scored based on numbers and not on capability, not to mention that the scoring of the fighters itself does not include which capability a country has, compared to another country with the same fighter.

F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2

PAFs Block 52+ are technologically and most importantly wrt to the available weapon options inferior to the Sufas, or even UAEs Block 60s. Be it EW system, SEAD capability, IRST, AESA radar, stand off weapons, or even latest gen of WVR missiles, all this would reduce the score of PAFs fighters clearly and why you have to take individual capabilities to account as well.


When you then add some calculation mistakes, like in case of Saudi Arabia for example, you see why they, Greece or Taiwan are rated so high, while forces of France or UK are pretty low.
Saudi Arabia have just 24 x EF T2s yet, with very basic A2G capabilities, which should replace the Tornado ADVs, that then would be out of the calculation, just like the F-5 and all this reduces (if I'm not wrong) at least 237.6 points from the total score and rates them far lower.
France currently opertates more than 75 x Rafales, M2Ks and F1s, which partially are not mentioned, or underated.

So you need a calculation system that not only takes the general modernisation level to account, but also which country has the most capabilities available for a certain fighter.
Imo, a normal Block 52+ could be rated as the base of modern 4th fighters today with 1/1, but the Sufas would rate slightly above, while PAFs B52s slightly below this base.
An EF T1 or T2 might be very good in A2A, but not even as capable as a M2K-5 in A2A...