2 Iranian civilians killed in alleged cross-border attack

[AmirPatriot]

We helped you people against Iraq during the Iran Iraq War when you were alone. We were the only country to support your with Ammunition, Arms and Jet Fuel. Iranian AF jets used to land in Faisal Base, Karachi for stock supply. But were painted into PAF camo so we could evade American Satellite.

This looks like one of those strange things one would read on Wikipedia:

-Iran made its own ammunition, this was a very early priority
-Which arms? Anything bigger than small arms is easy to track.
-Jet fuel??? Selling jet fuel to a country who's entire economy (at the time) was based on petrochemicals?

 

[Big Tank]

This looks like one of those strange things one would read on Wikipedia:

-Iran made its own ammunition, this was a very early priority
-Which arms? Anything bigger than small arms is easy to track.
-Jet fuel??? Selling jet fuel to a country who's entire economy (at the time) was based on petrochemicals?

Read the Book, Profiles of Intelligence by Brigadier Irshad Ahmad Tirmazi. ISI Counter Intelligence Officer who was also posted as Military Attache to Iran. He mentions everything in greater detail. We Supplied Jet Fuel because Iraqi AF was heavily pounding Iranian Stock. In case of War its Emergency. Nothing was better than having Instant stock from Karachi being very near to the Iran and away from Iraqi Air Movement. We supplied Stingers, Ammunition Bags and Assault Rifles. I do not trust Wikipedia and neither I go through it for such stuff. There are two books which describe this. The one I mentioned and the other one is The Bear Trap by Brigadier Yousuf. And we didn't sell you the stuff. It was a brotherly aid. During Heavy Iraqi Bombing resulting in so many deaths of Irani Soldiers. None of any Ambassador or Embassy Official walked into the Funeral due to the fear. It was only our Brigadier who walked into the Rain into the Military Uniform and attended the Funeral. It was an emotional moment for the Iranians and in return one of the Iranian General promised that an Iranian Army Battalion will be reserved to assist Pakistan in any circumstance ahead.

so
another attack from the Pakistan border towards Iran and we are the guilty again!...
These attacks only reduce security in the region and help spread poverty and reduce investment on both sides of the border
If Pakistan does not try to secure its borders. Pakistan will be the biggest loser And of course, Iran will be a loser too a lose_lose game for both side

Exactly. Both Sides Lose. It is Israeli and Indian Conspiracy to cause rifts between both the Countries so it would be much easier to engage in a war with one. Indian PM Modi's visit to Israel and Honeymoon with Netanyahu should alarm Iran.

 

[zartosht]

another terrorist attack from Pakistan's lawless balochistan area. and the usual couple of wahabi "Pakistani" posters who are attracted to any iran thread like flies to a turd are coming here with the usual spam ..

spamming the thread about some supposed indian terrorist that iran was supporting. Moaning about some drone incursion or outright denying they came from Pakistan if all else fails.

eventually they come to the circle jerk agreement that Pakistan has actually been wronged somehow, and its irans fault for having their civilians/soldiers murdered by some wahabi paid terrorist using Pakistani soil...

I just pass it off as a couple of sectarian fools with more loyalty to wahabi Arabia then actual Pakistani position. otherwise you wouldn't need enemies with "ummah friends" like Pakistan.

 

[Ocean]

another terrorist attack from Pakistan's lawless balochistan area. and the usual couple of wahabi "Pakistani" posters who are attracted to any iran thread like flies to a turd are coming here with the usual spam ..

spamming the thread about some supposed indian terrorist that iran was supporting. Moaning about some drone incursion or outright denying they came from Pakistan if all else fails.

eventually they come to the circle jerk agreement that Pakistan has actually been wronged somehow, and its irans fault for having their civilians/soldiers murdered by some wahabi paid terrorist using Pakistani soil...

I just pass it off as a couple of sectarian fools with more loyalty to wahabi Arabia then actual Pakistani position. otherwise you wouldn't need enemies with "ummah friends" like Pakistan.

All i see is an iranian crying on a pakistani forum.

Mahdi militia was the results of Sunnis bombing shias and killing them by 100-200 on daily bases in 2005 and 2006 and the amount of the killing that is attribituted to them even is not 1/100th of what Sunni al Qaeda accepted that it killed

cool story bro. Watch the documentary i posted in my previous post

So all those inmocent sunni doctors, patients and citizens who were slaughtered were all bombing iraqi shias. I like how iranians defend every action they take not matter how vile it is,but when someone points out their flaws they throw fits like haman10 and many other iranis are doing here and run around labelling others Wahabbis.

 

[zartosht]

All i see is an iranian crying on a pakistani forum.

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are you 10 years old? or just of low intellect and education?

anyways the fact that you seem to think my post was directed at you seems to speak volumes in itself. I wont feed trolls but will note the interesting argentine flag.

Zionists from argentina are one of the most active, vile, and obsessed anti-iran internet trolls out there.

take care and good luck spreading you anti-iran message,trying to create iran-Pakistan animosity, conflict. or whatever else your agenda/mission is. (wonder whos interests that would serve? certainly not Pakistan)

 

[Ocean]

are you 10 years old? or just of low intellect and education?

anyways the fact that you seem to think my post was directed at you seems to speak volumes in itself. I wont feed trolls but will note the interesting argentine flag.

Zionists from argentina are one of the most active, vile, and obsessed anti-iran internet trolls out there.

take care and good luck spreading you anti-iran message,trying to create iran-Pakistan animosity, conflict. or whatever else your agenda/mission is. (wonder whos interests that would serve? certainly not Pakistan)

i knew ur post isnt aimed at me and in general it was bashing all pakistanis. Your words were harsh , how about giving it a re read.

I am not anti iranian, if you look at pakistani shias they love Iran due to shia common sect but if someone asks me then i would say i love iran for its culture , language and for being iran. I have always fancied iranian culture and stuff quite a lot to the point i wanted to learn farsi but could not so recently one of my cousins had to take a language course at his university ,so i suggested him to take farsi as elective , and he did and now speaks beginner level farsi.
I could also do but now i am interested in learning my mother tongue koshur which itself is extremely resembling to farsi.

I am not argentina based it is just a flag i added.

I am not a hateful kind of person nor i get blinded by it, nor do i care about saudis that much though we can never refuse they have helped us on many key occasions specially after pakistan was sanctioned due to nuke tests whilst iran chose to disclose in public regarding help offered to her by Pakistan for building nukes. But thats all besides the point , i have grown up around many many many iranians and we had very friendly ties. But what i cant take is anyone hurting my country in any form.

To be frank when i argue with iranians and bash how their country has wronged us at so and so places, i am doing it all to support pakistanis regardless of their sects but then right then i see shia pakistanis jumping in to defend iran , i lose all energy and hope for my country, cause it is for these people i am arguing and the very same pakistanis loyalties are attached more with a foreign soil , and the same pakistanis would go lenghts to defend iran firing mortars into pakistani territory or sending drones and will wear a veil of total silence when iranian generals and gov officials will openly threaten pakistan. The fault is not with iranians annd indians , the fault is with Pakistanis who are more indians , iranians or saudis than Pakistanis.

Yesterday india fired at pakistani civilain vehicle around border , the vehicle was carrying four army troops, the car fell in neelum river and 4 armymen died. few days back when iran had fired mortars inside pakistani border a pakistani shia poster i think he is called Haider , was writing pakistan should evaluate why she gets shelled from all her borders whether afghanistan , india and iran , he was trying to imply somehow we are responsible for that. I am sure when indians shot at these army troops driving in a civilian car , they must have considered them some terrorists too or maybe the civilian bus that was targetted by indians last year resulting in 11 civilians deaths they were terrorists too for our dear Haider or any other poster who in his efforts to defend iranain shelling would go to the extent of defending indian border shelling too.

So i dont blame iran...

 

[Hack-Hook]

All i see is an iranian crying on a pakistani forum.

cool story bro. Watch the documentary i posted in my previous post

So all those inmocent sunni doctors, patients and citizens who were slaughtered were all bombing iraqi shias. I like how iranians defend every action they take not matter how vile it is,but when someone points out their flaws they throw fits like haman10 and many other iranis are doing here and run around labelling others Wahabbis.

I like how some people forget every action taken against shias and think they must be sacrificial lambs.
If you recalled Iraq of 2005-2007 you have stayed silent and didn't bring it up.

 

[Parsipride]

Iranians only care about smuggling weapons into Pakistan, which we unearth on daily basis.
Its just that some hypocrites don't mention it on defence.pk.

Why do not enlighten us and post some links.

 

[Arsalan 345]

i am not surprised.there were mortar shells landed in our territory weeks ago and we all remember iranian drone incident.if there is a suspicious movement,they can contact our army.sending drones and firing mortars on civilians isn't the solution.

 

[Pakistani E]

don't ask me ask them
by the way the news says Quds Force killed him and when we say Quds force you must remember it operate outside iran

But the article said they fired mortars from Pakistanis side but then after losing one dog they ran back inside Pakistan territory. Maybe that makes perfect sense to you, but it doesn't to me.

 

[Muhammed45]

Why do not enlighten us and post some links.

He claimed that Iranian official agents were trying to kill him,
Don't waste your precious time with him.

i knew ur post isnt aimed at me and in general it was bashing all pakistanis. Your words were harsh , how about giving it a re read.

I am not anti iranian, if you look at pakistani shias they love Iran due to shia common sect but if someone asks me then i would say i love iran for its culture , language and for being iran. I have always fancied iranian culture and stuff quite a lot to the point i wanted to learn farsi but could not so recently one of my cousins had to take a language course at his university ,so i suggested him to take farsi as elective , and he did and now speaks beginner level farsi.
I could also do but now i am interested in learning my mother tongue koshur which itself is extremely resembling to farsi.

I am not argentina based it is just a flag i added.

I am not a hateful kind of person nor i get blinded by it, nor do i care about saudis that much though we can never refuse they have helped us on many key occasions specially after pakistan was sanctioned due to nuke tests whilst iran chose to disclose in public regarding help offered to her by Pakistan for building nukes. But thats all besides the point , i have grown up around many many many iranians and we had very friendly ties. But what i cant take is anyone hurting my country in any form.

Buddy, we were begging Pakistan for sake of Muslim brotherhood or at least the standards of neighborhood , for 10 years to come and secure it's boundaries.
Pakistani people, based on our leader's quotes, are the most religious part and Mazloom part of Islamic Ummah whether be it's Shias or Sunnis. I had different views before joining this forum, when flood hit Pakistan and displaced millions of them, our leader cried for your folks. He is not a common man, he is our soul, our love and our religious leader. Actually whole Iran cried after that incident.
http://www.aparat.com/v/a1SWC/سخنرانی_آقای_خامنه_ای_درباره_سیل_کشمیر
http://www.aparat.com/v/PCiHJ/وقتی_بغض_آقا_می_ترکد...
But what Pakistan did, has left no room for us to count on your governors or army to care about the bloodshed of Iranians on those damned boundaries.
Go to this link and watch terrorists fighting Iranian border guards and then fleeing into Pakistan, in a mountainous area :
http://www.aparat.com/v/myAel/درگیری_نیروی_انتظامی_مرز_بانی_با_اشرار_کامل...

http://www.rokna.ir/بخش-پرونده-3/23...قیب-نفسگیر-قاچاقچیان-مواد-توسط-مرزبانان-ایران
http://presstv.ir/DetailFr/2017/04/29/519889/Iran-Border-guards
We are not lying or using propaganda like your medias that are always accusing Iran of being India's puppet.
About that drone, your medias first claimed that it had violated Pakistan's airspace after passing 45 Km deep inside your territory. Then it was officially announced it was only 3-4 or 4-5 Km !!!!!! Do something about your liar medias buddy. The drone was shot down, anyways you had all rights to do that but please bring your army into that area and destroy Haqqani network and other terrorists of Jeysh ul Islam etc for sake of neighborhood. I see it is not going to happen.
An other lie on your medias was about Uzair Baloch and Yadhav. Those spies first of all had forged Pakistani and Iranian visas with fake identities. They could easily go in Pakistan and come back to Iran. They were also related to Jeyh ul Islam terrorists who are funded by UAE. You won't hear that bud never on Pakistani medias which are already obsessed with Iran for an unknown reason, at least unknown for me.

Finally if you worked with us, we could together end the terrorism on those boundaries but again i see it is not going to happen.
However i am aware of financial problems with your government which may lead to a weak position in that area, so at least leave it to us to secure your boundary. We are your brothers not the invaders of NATO terrorists who are already operating inside your homeland without even asking for permission from your government. But vise versa and irony, your government is asking for permission from NATO-USA to start operations against Haqqani network and TTP!!! Buddy they are murderers and rapists, and peace in Pakistan is not their desire. We want your safety

Well, since i have seen so much insult to Iranians in this forum, i prefer to say the same thing that i said in my first quote of this thread. We have to continue operations against terrorists whether your governors like it or not.

 

[BATMAN]

@Mini Tank
Can you explain the nature of operational agreement between IRGC proxies and US army in Iraq?
I once had a short briefing from an Iraqi Muslim. Now, I want to hear from the mouth of Mehdi Militia.

 

[Big Tank]

@Mini Tank
Can you explain the nature of operational agreement between IRGC proxies and US army in Iraq?
I once had a short briefing from an Iraqi Muslim. Now, I want to hear from the mouth of Mehdi Militia.

Primary Iranian Proxy in Iraq, The Mahdi Army was targeting US Forces. Five Major Battles were fought between Mahdi Fighters and American Soldiers. Including Siege of British Base forcing their successful withdrawal in Basra killing 33 Soldiers, Losing a commander and the Karbala Base Raid. Where Mahdi Fighters along with Quds Force Agents Stormed US HQ, Killing 5 Officers and Kidnapping some. You need a lot of research! Except making fairy tales about how Iranian Agents would ambush you in future. How old are you btw?

 

[Ocean]

I like how some people forget every action taken against shias and think they must be sacrificial lambs.
If you recalled Iraq of 2005-2007 you have stayed silent and didn't bring it up.

no i dont support any shia or sunnis or any innocents killings. If what you are saying is true then obvsly those killings cant be justified n are as heinous as any other death.

He claimed that Iranian official agents were trying to kill him,
Don't waste your precious time with him.

Buddy, we were begging Pakistan for sake of Muslim brotherhood or at least the standards of neighborhood , for 10 years to come and secure it's boundaries.
Pakistani people, based on our leader's quotes, are the most religious part and Mazloom part of Islamic Ummah whether be it's Shias or Sunnis. I had different views before joining this forum, when flood hit Pakistan and displaced millions of them, our leader cried for your folks. He is not a common man, he is our soul, our love and our religious leader. Actually whole Iran cried after that incident.
http://www.aparat.com/v/a1SWC/سخنرانی_آقای_خامنه_ای_درباره_سیل_کشمیر
http://www.aparat.com/v/PCiHJ/وقتی_بغض_آقا_می_ترکد...
But what Pakistan did, has left no room for us to count on your governors or army to care about the bloodshed of Iranians on those damned boundaries.
Go to this link and watch terrorists fighting Iranian border guards and then fleeing into Pakistan, in a mountainous area :
http://www.aparat.com/v/myAel/درگیری_نیروی_انتظامی_مرز_بانی_با_اشرار_کامل...

http://www.rokna.ir/بخش-پرونده-3/23...قیب-نفسگیر-قاچاقچیان-مواد-توسط-مرزبانان-ایران
http://presstv.ir/DetailFr/2017/04/29/519889/Iran-Border-guards
We are not lying or using propaganda like your medias that are always accusing Iran of being India's puppet.
About that drone, your medias first claimed that it had violated Pakistan's airspace after passing 45 Km deep inside your territory. Then it was officially announced it was only 3-4 or 4-5 Km !!!!!! Do something about your liar medias buddy. The drone was shot down, anyways you had all rights to do that but please bring your army into that area and destroy Haqqani network and other terrorists of Jeysh ul Islam etc for sake of neighborhood. I see it is not going to happen.
An other lie on your medias was about Uzair Baloch and Yadhav. Those spies first of all had forged Pakistani and Iranian visas with fake identities. They could easily go in Pakistan and come back to Iran. They were also related to Jeyh ul Islam terrorists who are funded by UAE. You won't hear that bud never on Pakistani medias which are already obsessed with Iran for an unknown reason, at least unknown for me.

Finally if you worked with us, we could together end the terrorism on those boundaries but again i see it is not going to happen.
However i am aware of financial problems with your government which may lead to a weak position in that area, so at least leave it to us to secure your boundary. We are your brothers not the invaders of NATO terrorists who are already operating inside your homeland without even asking for permission from your government. But vise versa and irony, your government is asking for permission from NATO-USA to start operations against Haqqani network and TTP!!! Buddy they are murderers and rapists, and peace in Pakistan is not their desire. We want your safety

Well, since i have seen so much insult to Iranians in this forum, i prefer to say the same thing that i said in my first quote of this thread. We have to continue operations against terrorists whether your governors like it or not.

there are so many things i disagree with in your post.
Our media is not anti iranian , infact not even anti india.
The major news houses like dawn have pro india pro iranian tones.
We have many shias in journalism who would ensure most of the negative news regarding iran are suppressed.
Some of our major media outlets like jhang, dawn , geo generally would support any entity that is anti pakistan , whether it comes form iran or india or usa or anywhere.
Most of the times our channel talk shows are busy in bashing saudis, which i dont care much , i only want a balanced reporting which covers all the foreign players form iran to saudia to india per their levels of involvement in stirring trouble in pakistan.
Last year when Kulbushan was caught from balochistan, around same time i think Khaminei or rouhani was visiting pakistan.
I was really curious to see whether our army brass or gov ask khaminei regarding that on his visit, why? Because already our relations with iran were on rocky patch , raising any such issue on ur supreme leader or presidents (i dont recalls who exactly visited) visit could be a diplomacy blunder.
And incase if the issue is Raised then it would point to the seriousness of matters.
And our government did raise the issue withur leader who obvsly rejected harboring indian terrorist (spy isnt a nice word for him)
At that time one of the talk show hosts at dawn news channel even went on to say it was a diplomatic blunder by pakistan to ask iranian president on his face about jadhev.

Uzair baloch story is very clear he was carrying iranian passport, i dont know how you thought his passport was forged. Also iran had tried to gain custody of uzair baloch when he was arrested in Dubai, all of this used to be covered in news back then.

lastly, as of your drone action , well in the past we saw many aggressive statements issued by your army chief and some MP but weirdly enough when drone was shotdown iran chose to keep mum and did not raise ruckus as per her past record, nor threatened of sending in more drones unlike how pdf iranian posters were making boastful claims n threats, infact much like you made in this very post of yours. The silent attitude in this case points towards iranian awareness that she was in the wrong and is in a weak position that she did not even verbally contest pakistans decision to take out the drone.

At the end there has been done way too much speculation here, i am quite unhappy over two iranians deaths. But i would say it is time for introspection for iranian government as well, for looking towards uplifting sistan province where insurgency has led people to pick arms. If it is an internal issue it wont be getting solved by blaming pakistan each time about cross border attacks which may not neccessarily have come from pakistani territory. Read the op , even it contradicts itself, it says terrorirst attacked form pakistani soil then it futher readthen fled back to paksitani territory? And each time they use long range weapons to fire inside iranian land form pakistani territory?

Anyways i really expected our interior minstry or foreign office to give a statement on this issue and clarify the air, but unfortunately they have not responded.

Nonetheless the loss of life on either side and one like this recent one are highly deplorable, i really hope both the sides do take up joint efforts to make the border safe. Hearing such news is also frustrating for common Pakistanis.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Considering that PKK/PJAK has camps within the Iranian borders tolerated by the regime, Iranians has no right to any kind of exaggerated reactions. However, I don't really understand this conflict at all. Both countries don't want further escalation. Why aren't you guys able to work together peacefully? This is the chance for the establishment of a joint border patrol unit between Pakistan and Iran to fight terrorism. It would be the first kind of it in the ME. Be a role model for the Islamic World.