2 Former COAS and later Presidents of Pakistan were Muhajirs still MQM goons talk crap about Army.

[SQ8]

Then is that really a Pakistan issue or the Pakistani-Mohajir or whomever you call on, issue?

My simple question is this, fine your grand parents moved and migrated. But you did not. So why are you so stuck in the past that you cannot fathom the present and see the future? It's been 67 years god dammit.
It is true that MQM has slept in bed with everyone, including the PPP. But you yourself know that their tactics had been limited to the few seats in the Sindh Assembly and a couple more in NA. I mean, how is it that a 30 year old party finds itself only in Karachi and Hyderabad? and no one else seems to give a single damn...not the Punjabis or Pathans or Balochis or even the Sindhis of the interior.
The issue is, we know very well the mafia culture they brought in. Their extortion collection is better organized than the tax collection of FBR. Their intelligence of the neighborhood is better than ISI operating in the neighborhood of Pakistan. So clearly, it is a systematic setup like no other. But here is the thing, in order to deal with the thugs, you have to be a thug yourself.
Business community in Karachi is actually having a sigh of relief since the Rangers operation began....but more specifically, the operation targeted mostly MQM...right? So why does an operation against MQM lead to a better peace in the city? it happened in the 1990s as well, so that is a two out of two instances.......clearly not the usual 'correlation does not mean causation' type scenarios.
It is only after AH had introduced the thuggery in his ranks that likes of TTP/JI/PPP started doing the same.

Oscar, if you are caught stealing/murdering in the united states of America, do you play the discrimination against Pakistanis card....discrimination against the Muslims card....discrimination against Punjabi/Mohajir (whatever you associate with)....or do you simply acknowledge that what you did was wrong?


Isaac Newton, lived during the time of jahiliat in Europe, yet he made some remarkable discoveries. He was once asked, or as they say, how were you able to think all of this? And Newton replied....'if i have seen further than the others is because i have stood on the shoulders of giants.'

AH clearly isn't one of those Giants.....well physically maybe.

And in those 67 years the rest of Pakistan has not gotten over the fact that these people are essentially Pakistanis. They are either accused of being Indians, land usupers, mohajirs and what not. At the same time, these people were willing to tolerate the MQM and its tactics because it benefitted them. You would have had to live in the MQM areas to see the cult like status it had/has... it does soo by behaving like the mafia and takes care of its own. The result is that support base that doesnt go.
For 65 years there has been either Jaag Punjabi Jaag, or Jaag Pashtun Jaag.. or Jaag Sindhi Jaag or Jaag whatever you want. Hence these people have every right to have their own Jaags.Regardless of whether they are murderers, thieves or the lot.. they are Mohajir and hence the support will come. The same goes for all the other parties.. why the heck does the PPP , PML(N) or any other person have support? Or are their sins washed by milk?

Since no other alternative emerged to end any Jaags and the PTI has failed at its very own opportunity to end this scenario.. which leaves nothing else except the military...to which many are running to now again.

 

[Gazi]

@Gazi bro you are just obsessed with punjabis nothing else dude you guys are brainwashed by your leaders of your ethnic group you will never see any such party of punjabis brainwashing them that they are feeding whole country and rest are just chilling and collecting bhatta and else i only see you guys from karachi who always come up with big mouth of feeding whole country we are this we are that like there is nothing out side karachi rest of pakistan is a village and all are illiterate eating all of your income making there province etc , come on dude be realistic talk with facts and figures instead of conspiracy theories

Talk about Obsession then why dont you check out Your and by other's Obsession with MQM for last 30 years before saying I am Obsessed with Punjabis. Even the word Muhajir becomes Bone of Contention for you when there is nothing wrong with it if you consider the CONTEXT of this word being used here and even you and others are OBSESSED with that as well. I am just REPLYING to this thread on the stuff you all others are are Asking by Quoting me here. When you and others started Discussing Karachi like you people know Karachi inside out and thinking you know better then Karachiite how to solve their City's Problem did you found me discussing Punjab in this manner in any thread????And you call me OBSESSED with Punjab. Wow good logic.

I know for others it might be true, but Pathans and Punjabis are different. Punjab gave victory to Bhuttos (sindhi), choudharies (Punjabis), Sharifs (who are not Punjabi), and Imran Khan (mix breed).

For Pathans it is even more immpredictable, they never vote for same party in next elections. They have given victory to PPP, PML-N, JUI, ANP and PTI so they keep changing.

Punjab and KPK Politics have Large Influence of Electable Politics and it is not that they supported Bhutto its like they supporter their ELECTABLE who was supporting Bhutto for his/her Political Gains. So its not like Supporting Bhutto in the complete Political sense.

For Pathans it is even more immpredictable, they never vote for same party in next elections. They have given victory to PPP, PML-N, JUI, ANP and PTI so they keep changing.

People of KPK arent UNPREDICTABLE but are kind of Confused as they have not been able to find a Single Platform till now which can REPRESENT them in a Long run. Stability is also necessary because temporary Patches doesnt provide Permanent solutions.

 

[Fracker]

Punjab and KPK Politics have Large Influence of Electable Politics and it is not that they supported Bhutto its like they supporter their ELECTABLE who was supporting Bhutto for his/her Political Gains. So its not like Supporting Bhutto in the complete Political sense.

People of KPK arent UNPREDICTABLE but are kind of Confused as they have not been able to find a Single Platform till now which can REPRESENT them in a Long run. Stability is also necessary because temporary Patches doesnt provide Permanent solutions.

Point is, they (Punjab & KPK) are not bound with single party or ethincity

 

[Donatello]

And in those 67 years the rest of Pakistan has not gotten over the fact that these people are essentially Pakistanis. They are either accused of being Indians, land usupers, mohajirs and what not. At the same time, these people were willing to tolerate the MQM and its tactics because it benefitted them. You would have had to live in the MQM areas to see the cult like status it had/has... it does soo by behaving like the mafia and takes care of its own. The result is that support base that doesnt go.
For 65 years there has been either Jaag Punjabi Jaag, or Jaag Pashtun Jaag.. or Jaag Sindhi Jaag or Jaag whatever you want. Hence these people have every right to have their own Jaags.Regardless of whether they are murderers, thieves or the lot.. they are Mohajir and hence the support will come. The same goes for all the other parties.. why the heck does the PPP , PML(N) or any other person have support? Or are their sins washed by milk?

Since no other alternative emerged to end any Jaags and the PTI has failed at its very own opportunity to end this scenario.. which leaves nothing else except the military...to which many are running to now again.

So why is that the Mohajir Jaag remain limited to the very Karachi and Hyderabad? While the PPP Jaag swept Punjab and NWFP at some point, so did PML-N.....? Heck contrary to what you claim about IK's PTI, they did a better job of securing votes...i mean they got a whole Province to themselves...that cannot be considered a failure really, from a politics stand point. To me that brings back to same issue, that Mohajirs got so inbred with their own culture and what was fed to them, they never bothered to look at how the dynamics were changing. Who is going to lead MQM with it's cult following after AH is sorted out (which will be sooner than later, whether it is the British Home Office or the health reports from the NHS)
Of course MQM take cares of its own.... i mean, Rangers raid your office at Suhr time and all of the men and women are out reaching nine zero in no time.....but hey, if you want to only chant 'mohajir mohajir' at every opportunity you get and remain stuck there, then i am very happy that the rest of the nation never gave two hoots about this party. Had they not used their mafia to strangle your only commercial and trade/industrial hub, they would've been as relevant as the Awami Muslim League of Sheikh Rashid or the PML-F of the Pagara clan.

Sometimes you have to fight bullet with a bullet....and this is what MQM seems to be having difficulty with. As long as my city lives and sleeps in peace, i am happy alienating any Mohajir or Punjabi or Islamist that may be. It is actually funny, the leader of the Mohajirs, saved his a** and ran to London and has never bothered to return.
I mean, if you can manage a cult following like MQM followers from a telephone or skype call, you either really are something as a leader or your followers are totally dumbos. I think it is easier to see which.

 

[Gazi]

Point is, they (Punjab & KPK) are not bound with single party or ethincity

Of course they are not Bound to Parties or Platforms but they are definitely Bound to Personalities which we Call ELECTABLES.

 

[aks18]

Talk about Obsession then why dont you check out Your and by other's Obsession with MQM for last 30 years before saying I am Obsessed with Punjabis. Even the word Muhajir becomes Bone of Contention for you when there is nothing wrong with it if you consider the CONTEXT of this word being used here and even you and others are OBSESSED with that as well. I am just REPLYING to this thread on the stuff you all others are are Asking by Quoting me here. When you and others started Discussing Karachi like you people know Karachi inside out and thinking you know better then Karachiite how to solve their City's Problem did you found me discussing Punjab in this manner in any thread????And you call me OBSESSED with Punjab. Wow good logic.

Punjab and KPK Politics have Large Influence of Electable Politics and it is not that they supported Bhutto its like they supporter their ELECTABLE who was supporting Bhutto for his/her Political Gains. So its not like Supporting Bhutto in the complete Political sense.

People of KPK arent UNPREDICTABLE but are kind of Confused as they have not been able to find a Single Platform till now which can REPRESENT them in a Long run. Stability is also necessary because temporary Patches doesnt provide Permanent solutions.

you are from typical mind set of MQM who brainwashed you guys against rest of pakistanis let it be sindhi punjabi blochi or any other ethnic group , and yes dear i know very much about karachi my friend half of my family living their since 1960s and i have seen all bull shit of MQM on name of muhajirs seen karachii operation of 1990s and one of mqm's sector in charge was our family friend we very well know how pious MQM is and how they operate in karachi how they are making muhajirs fools on name of discrimination with muhajirs ... what if i tell you few years back setting Bolton market on fire was also from MQM's militant wing who set whole market on fire after a planted bomb blast on Ashura Jalos and showed it like reaction of the Shia community

and kindly stop playing card of muhajirs now huge number of muhajir businessmen have left karachi and moved towards islamabad rawalpindi and lahore's suburb's with families in last 7 years half of lahore's bahria town is filled with muhajirs from karachi if there is that much discrimination against muhajirs then why they moved to punjab for better life, time to wipe out MQM from karachi my friend

 

[Secur]

And in those 67 years the rest of Pakistan has not gotten over the fact that these people are essentially Pakistanis. They are either accused of being Indians, land usupers, mohajirs and what not. At the same time, these people were willing to tolerate the MQM and its tactics because it benefitted them. You would have had to live in the MQM areas to see the cult like status it had/has... it does soo by behaving like the mafia and takes care of its own. The result is that support base that doesnt go.
For 65 years there has been either Jaag Punjabi Jaag, or Jaag Pashtun Jaag.. or Jaag Sindhi Jaag or Jaag whatever you want. Hence these people have every right to have their own Jaags.Regardless of whether they are murderers, thieves or the lot.. they are Mohajir and hence the support will come. The same goes for all the other parties.. why the heck does the PPP , PML(N) or any other person have support? Or are their sins washed by milk?

Since no other alternative emerged to end any Jaags and the PTI has failed at its very own opportunity to end this scenario.. which leaves nothing else except the military...to which many are running to now again.

Almost as if one were to argue that Iqbal was wrong while proclaiming "its the religion that makes a nation". Blood and being son of the soil appear to play a huge role. The claims of Muhajirs calling Muhajirs because of some siniter purposes or victim card or being proud to call themselves as such have been proven to be no more effective than placebo in double blind studies!

They say MQM has a militant wing, engages in dirty politics, rigs the elections, runs election on basis of ethnicity, threatenes opponents, is corrupt and uses unlawful power. Hey I am beginning to describe all political parties in the country (those which got the chance anyways)!

As long as they asking me when did you migrate from India (personal experience at the passport office not so long ago). I will proudly call them myself as such and continue to support MQM even while being aware of its wrong policies and unlawful activities. Alienation and fear are powerful (not effective) motivators after all.

 

[Gazi]

you are from typical mind set of MQM who brainwashed you guys against rest of pakistanis let it be sindhi punjabi blochi or any other ethnic group , and yes dear i know very much about karachi my friend half of my family living their since 1960s and i have seen all bull shit of MQM on name of muhajirs seen karachii operation of 1990s and one of mqm's sector in charge was our family friend we very well know how pious MQM is and how they operate in karachi how they are making muhajirs fools on name of discrimination with muhajirs ... what if i tell you few years back setting Bolton market on fire was also from MQM's militant wing who set whole market on fire after a planted bomb blast on Ashura Jalos and showed it like reaction of the Shia community

You having Family and Friends in Karachi doesnt make you Expert either. Those so called Typical MQM people are mostly BORN and BROUGHT UP in Karachi not like those who have so called Friends and Family members in Karachi or visit Karachi in few occasions. If you think they are fools then this is your Hate or Bigotry towards them. Do you think they dont know what MQM done and what they are doing???They are supporting them for their own individual Reasons so learn to ACCEPT people and their choices instead of being Judgmental all the time over things even you dont know a lot about. You have just seen the City they have Live it with all the PROBLEMS this city has they are the once who are facing directly and after giving Thoughts they have decided to give MQM right to represent them in Assemblies.

and kindly stop playing card of muhajirs now huge number of muhajir businessmen have left karachi and moved towards islamabad rawalpindi and lahore's suburb's with families in last 7 years half of lahore's bahria town is filled with muhajirs from karachi if there is that much discrimination against muhajirs then why they moved to punjab for better life, time to wipe out MQM from karachi my friend

Correction Muhajir Businesses didnt leave Karachi not that much and shifted their business to elsewhere in Pakistan it was Punjabi Business Community called Chiniotis who mostly left Karachi selling their Businesses in Karachi and whatever Remains of them are close to MQM more then others infact MQM has one MPA who is Chinioti by the name Arshad Vohra. If any Businessmen from Karachi have left Karachi they move to Middle East or other Countries like Abdur Rehman Yaqoob, Siagol etc and their reasons for Leaving have mostly being Sindh Govt. and their Ministers attitude towards them which mostly related to PPP not to MQM. I have been to RWP, Lahore and I didnt found any Memons, Kuchis, Dehli Sodagran, Gujrati Ismailis, Bohris etc in those cities anywhere. They are still remain EXCLUSIVELY Karachi based Business Community to this day.

 

[aks18]

You having Family and Friends in Karachi doesnt make you Expert either. Those so called Typical MQM people are mostly BORN and BROUGHT UP in Karachi not like those who have so called Friends and Family members in Karachi or visit Karachi in few occasions. If you think they are fools then this is your Hate or Bigotry towards them. Do you think they dont know what MQM done and what they are doing???They are supporting them for their own individual Reasons so learn to ACCEPT people and their choices instead of being Judgmental all the time over things even you dont know a lot about. You have just seen the City they have Live it with all the PROBLEMS this city has they are the once who are facing directly and after giving Thoughts they have decided to give MQM right to represent them in Assemblies.
Correction Muhajir Businesses didnt leave Karachi not that much and shifted their business to elsewhere in Pakistan it was Punjabi Business Community called Chiniotis who mostly left Karachi selling their Businesses in Karachi and whatever Remains of them are close to MQM more then others infact MQM has one MPA who is Chinioti by the name Arshad Vohra to the local Businessmen started their Business in elsewhere in Pakistan. If any Businessmen from Karachi have left Karachi they move to Middle East or other Countries like Abdur Rehman Yaqoob, Siagol etc and their reasons for Leaving have mostly being Sindh Govt. and their Ministers attitude towards them which mostly related to PPP not to MQM. I have been to RWP, Lahore and I didnt found any Memons, Kuchis, Dehli Sodagran, Gujrati Ismailis, Bohris etc in those cities anywhere. They are still remain EXCLUSIVELY Karachi based Business Community to this day.

huge number of muhajir businessmen shifted their families in suburbs of islo pindi lahore my friend read my comment again its SUBURBs written in it i know business from punjab and karachi have moved to bangladesh and dubai specially textile industry to bangladesh .. half of faisalabad textile industry has been shited to bangladesh in last years ... and about problems with sindh government governor of sindh is from mqm , mqm kept itself with government when they were in love affair with PPP dude we arent fool karachi got messed up between ppp anp and mqm and mqm having major share in this violent fight in past years

and why forget Bhatta khori of MQM from businessmen of karachi my friend and single sized 1 marla shop gets 700 rupee per week parchi i wonder what happened with the big businesses in karachi

 

[Gazi]

huge number of muhajir businessmen shifted their families in suburbs of islo pindi lahore my friend read my comment again its SUBURBs written in it i know business from punjab and karachi have moved to bangladesh and dubai specially textile industry to bangladesh .. half of faisalabad textile industry has been shited to bangladesh in last years ... and about problems with sindh government governor of sindh is from mqm , mqm kept itself with government when they were in love affair with PPP dude we arent fool karachi got messed up between ppp anp and mqm and mqm having major share in this violent fight in past years

Do you know anything about Karachi Business Environment on the first place when you saying all of that???Learn a little bit about Karachi Business Environment First and also Learn about difference between ADMINISTRATIVE Powers and Legislative Roles and also about Roles of Provincial Governors in Pakistan as that will answer your other Question related to Ishratul Ibad as well. Now Give me a Break and next time when you quote me Hit me with something SUBSTANTIAL rather then Political statements and Charge sheets of opponents.

 

[aks18]

Do you know anything about Karachi Business Environment on the first place when you saying all of that???Learn a little bit about Karachi Business Environment First and also Learn about difference between ADMINISTRATIVE Powers and Legislative Roles and also about Roles of Provincial Governors in Pakistan as that will answer your other Question related to Ishratul Ibad as well. Now Give me a Break and next time when you quote me Hit me with something SUBSTANTIAL rather then Political statements and Charge sheets of opponents.

altaf hussain is on hunger strike save him i know karachi very well my friend you better take a visit of rest of pakistan and spend some time in mountains of north surely you will get relief my friend and try to get infos on your own instead of getting brainwashed by your so called leaders

i have met alot of karachi based muhajir families who regularly visits northern pakistan in summers believe me they never cried like those who never been out of karachi in their entire life

 

[Gazi]

altaf hussain is on hunger strike save him i know karachi very well my friend you better take a visit of rest of pakistan and spend some time in mountains of north surely you will get relief my friend and try to get infos on your own instead of getting brainwashed by your so called leaders

Good Let him Die I dont care but if you care then go ahead. BTW I have Been to those areas and loved every moment of it. Love those Places, Mountain, Rivers but for people I have Mixed Opinion though. You talk about "Information" which is call KNOWLEDGE not Information then I have more then enough of Kashmir to Waste an Indian smart a$$ in this forum so its not me but you are the one who needs to Learn few things about the topic that we are Discussing right now as you are only Throwing Political Statements and Charge Sheets of Political Opponent on me rather then GROUND REALITY.

i have met alot of karachi based muhajir families who regularly visits northern pakistan in summers believe me they never cried like those who never been out of karachi in their entire life

Its funny because in my experience those Northerners were quite SCARED of us as if we are MQM Terrorists by knowing we are Karachiite when I went there with a group of 7 friends. From that Experience one thing I understood is that people in North and in Punjab Pictures Karachiites on the basis of Stereotypes about Karachi and that is where I Believe all the MQM Hatred have actually Came from in Punjab, KPK and Northern Areas.

 

[Jaanbaz]

The so called racism isn't against Muhajirs but more against Muhajir nationalism. The Pakistani Establishment includes many Urdu Speaking people most of whom are Islamists. You would see that most Muhajirs who hate MQM are Islamists and support Jamaat-e-Islami. If it wasn't for MQM Jamaate Islami would still be the largest political party in Karachi.

The Establishment has no problem with Urdu Speakers, they have problem with MQM which they first helped to counter PPP's influence in Karachi, that ended badly as MQM stole Jamate Islami voters, establishment again changed its mind and decided to get rid of MQM, it didn't work so at some point they worked together. After 9/11 MQM provided M16 with intelligence against Al-Qaida members hiding in Karachi. Gen Musharaf was another good thing that happened to MQM. Now it seems MQM is again in the bad books of establishment.

PTI is the new MQM which is being used to break PML N, PPP, ANP and MQM's vote bank. Establishment is going in for the kill this time, instead of supporting a regional ethnic party, this time they are supporting Pseudo Islamist wannabe nationalist party aka PTI.

 

[Kabira]

You having Family and Friends in Karachi doesnt make you Expert either. Those so called Typical MQM people are mostly BORN and BROUGHT UP in Karachi not like those who have so called Friends and Family members in Karachi or visit Karachi in few occasions. If you think they are fools then this is your Hate or Bigotry towards them. Do you think they dont know what MQM done and what they are doing???They are supporting them for their own individual Reasons so learn to ACCEPT people and their choices instead of being Judgmental all the time over things even you dont know a lot about. You have just seen the City they have Live it with all the PROBLEMS this city has they are the once who are facing directly and after giving Thoughts they have decided to give MQM right to represent them in Assemblies.
Correction Muhajir Businesses didnt leave Karachi not that much and shifted their business to elsewhere in Pakistan it was Punjabi Business Community called Chiniotis who mostly left Karachi selling their Businesses in Karachi and whatever Remains of them are close to MQM more then others infact MQM has one MPA who is Chinioti by the name Arshad Vohra. If any Businessmen from Karachi have left Karachi they move to Middle East or other Countries like Abdur Rehman Yaqoob, Siagol etc and their reasons for Leaving have mostly being Sindh Govt. and their Ministers attitude towards them which mostly related to PPP not to MQM. I have been to RWP, Lahore and I didnt found any Memons, Kuchis, Dehli Sodagran, Gujrati Ismailis, Bohris etc in those cities anywhere. They are still remain EXCLUSIVELY Karachi based Business Community to this day.

Did you specifically look for these communities in Lahore? lol Because I googled lahore memons and lots of results came out.

 

[aks18]

Good Let him Die I dont care but if you care then go ahead. BTW I have Been to those areas and loved every moment of it. Love those Places, Mountain, Rivers but for people I have Mixed Opinion though. You talk about "Information" which is call KNOWLEDGE not Information then I have more then enough of Kashmir to Waste an Indian smart a$$ in this forum so its not me but you are the one who needs to Learn few things about the topic that we are Discussing right now as you are only Throwing Political Statements and Charge Sheets of Political Opponent on me rather then GROUND REALITY.
Its funny because in my experience those Northerners were quite SCARED of us as if we are MQM Terrorists by knowing we are Karachiite when I went there with a group of 7 friends. From that Experience one thing I understood is that people in North and in Punjab Pictures Karachiites on the basis of Stereotypes about Karachi and that is where I Believe all the MQM Hatred have actually Came from in Punjab, KPK and Northern Areas.

Bingoo here i caught you my sweet friend which part of northern area you visited and saw hatred from them ?? you gone nuts in northern areas they love people of karachi who as it far far away from the north and secondly they have strong bonds with karachi city they never see you punjabi muhajir or pathan from karachi most of them having business in karachi and studied from karachi if they came to know about karachi walas they gives more protocol to them my friend now i will not take you seriously cz you are a liar and making stories on your own