1971 war a RAW success?

[Armstrong]

Brother biharis are BD citizens by birthright and lot of them have already been given citizenship. Repatriating biharis will be against the interest of BD as it will only benefit BAL and their indian cohorts. It will be a nail in the coffin of muslim brotherhood in BD and will only serve the interest of slave mentality Indian dalals. Some diversity is good for BD. We have biharis, chakmas, manipuris , khasiyas and ronhingya's here even though they constitute 2 % of the population, they are all bangladehsis. This is Bangladesh not Bengal.

Those who wish to remain in BD are more than welcome to for that is their choice but those who still dream of 'Jinnah's Pakistan' deserve to come back home and help us realize that dream once more.

 

[Luffy 500]

Bangladesh is never divided but a vested interest group is divided and they take the advantage of our illiterate people in turn. Most of the people you see in PDF have infact no political background. They just bicker here but will never go out to see their ideology be sold or fight for it in the street. Just ignore them

There exist a family vengeance when Hasina hates Zia for murdering her whole family.
Real politician like SQ Choudury or Nizami will never disrespect Bangabandhu even though ideologically they are in two different pole. But pawn like Luffy or Md. Akmal will tear his clothes days and night, but when time comes to counter a AL cadre, they will be nowhere found.

We are still in BD, what are you doing in US yanki.

Those who wish to remain in BD are more than welcome to for that is their choice but those who still dream of 'Jinnah's Pakistan' deserve to come back home and help us realize that dream once more.

The older gen still dream of PAK,but the younger gen is quite the opposite. I agree those who
want to should be allowed to go back but it should never be forced.

 

[TopCat]

The older gen still dream of PAK,but the younger gen is quite the opposite. I agree those who
want to should be allowed to go back but it should never be forced.

No govt ever forced any Bihari to go back. It was their choice. There were millions of Biharis who already assimilated with the mainstream society and never opted for Pakistan. BTW, there are a very good support base for AL in Bihari community if you did not know.

 

[Armstrong]

If Pakistan had willingly accepted the post independence Indian Muslims then may be there would have been more Muslims from India willing to there - but then they were not treated well, so the people who wanted to migrate or who want to migrate must be hesitant.
I think there is disappointment at some level amongst these people for 1. Not a good treatment of the few who went there after independence and 2. Pakistan's present state of affairs. They are forced to consider their decisions and have to reconcile to the fact that they have to stay back.

But then one day things might change in Pakistan and then these people will start to back you again.

On the 'Indian Muslims' or as 'Mohajirs' or 'Urdu Speakers' as they are called : Should you wish to, I could help identify no less than 5-10 of them on this very forum and you can ask them these questions yourselves; or better yet PM Bilalhaider or Pakistanisage - both are Pakistanis born of parents who immigrated to what would become 'Pakistan' ! But if I might add some anecdotal evidence - I haven't come across a single one of these 'Urdu Speakers' who feel that they made a mistake coming to Pakistan and I've had the good fortune of having met many including one who married into our family (my cousin's wife !). Also if, Kashmiri Muslims, can be called 'Immigrants' as well then I've got a few relatives on my Dad's side (hes an ethnic Kashmiri !) who immigrated to Pakistan and in particular Sialkot and later Lahore, from Jammu; some of them even lost their loved ones and naturally they don't think that they made a mistake !

So dear friend...I do implore you to come to Pakistan, visit these communities for yourselves, interact with the common Pakistani yourselves and then don't be surprised if it turns out that the realities of Pakistan, however grim they maybe, are far from the ones that have been sketched out in the media ! Indian Muslims who choose Pakistan are as Pakistanis as the rest of us if not more because of the amount of sacrifices they made and they are treated as such ! However don't confuse our contempt for, or so it is perceived, the militant organization MQM as our contempt for the 'Urdu Speakers/Mohajir Community !'

The older gen still dream of PAK,but the younger gen is quite the opposite. I agree those who
want to should be allowed to go back but it should never be forced.

Had Pakistan not let them down so terribly more would want to come back to 'Pakistan' as they should have been in the '70s, the '80s and throughout the '90s !

No govt ever forced any Bihari to go back. It was their choice. There were millions of Biharis who already assimilated with the mainstream society and never opted for Pakistan. BTW, there are a very good support base for AL in Bihari community if you did not know.

I doubt if the Biharis ever numbered in the 'Millions' in BD to begin with ! A million..yes, a couple million - probably not !

 

[Luffy 500]

No govt ever forced any Bihari to go back. It was their choice. There were millions of Biharis who already assimilated with the mainstream society and never opted for Pakistan. BTW, there are a very good support base for AL in Bihari community if you did not know.

Even if they hypothetically support BAL, doesn't matter. BTW its a common knowledge that BAL's vote bank is mainly hindus and Shariar kabir type dalals. People of Gopal ganj will always support BAL even is they annihilate the whole country with a nuke. BTW are you from gopal ganj?

 

[TopCat]

I doubt if the Biharis ever numbered in the 'Millions' in BD to begin with ! A million..yes, a couple million - probably not !

I am talking about total bihari community not only the ones who lived in refugee camp. Its hard to find any statistics as they never identify themselves as bihari or ever bother to.

Even if they hypothetically support BAL, doesn't matter. BTW its a common knowledge that BAL's vote bank is mainly hindus and Shariar kabir type dalals. People of Gopal ganj will always support BAL even is they annihilate the whole country with a nuke. BTW are you from gopal ganj?

Marginal people likes to alienate with AL to be exact. I am from Sylhet as you are. Greater Sylhet is always a stronghold for AL. I am not a Awami Leaguer.

 

[Luffy 500]

I am talking about total bihari community not only the ones who lived in refugee camp. Its hard to find any statistics as they never identify themselves as bihari or ever bother to.



Marginal people likes to alienate with AL to be exact. I am from Sylhet as you are. Greater Sylhet is always a stronghold for AL. I am not a Awami Leaguer.

Shylet is 50-50 among BNP and BAL. Shylet traditionally also had significant no. of hindus. Do you
believe mal muhit will win in shylet 1.

 

[JohnyD]

what nonsese...it was a ripe and not a raw success.

 

[TopCat]

Shylet is 50-50 among BNP and BAL. Shylet traditionally also had significant no. of hindus. Do you
believe mal muhit will win in shylet 1.

Muhit is a great Sylheti and deserved to be voted by Sylhetis regardless of his political affiliation.

Sylhet is not 50/50. Its only when AL make blunder then BNP gets some seat otherwise its a AL backyard. No Sylhet does not have significant Hindus except Srimangal.

 

[Md Akmal]

I doubt if the Biharis ever numbered in the 'Millions' in BD to begin with ! A million..yes, a couple million - probably not !

@ For your information in 1947/48 near about 22 to 25 lac Biharees came to East Bengal. Many went to Pakistan slowly.

@ Around 2/3 lac were killed.

@ Around 7 lac opted for Pakistan and were concentrated at Geneva camps around Dacca. Out of only some 40 to 60 thousands were taken back with the help of Saudi Arab. Many went to India. Many went to Pakistan via India. Many went to middle East. And now you may find only 2/3 lac. But through out Bangladesh it will be more than a million.

 

[Luffy 500]

Muhit is a great Sylheti and deserved to be voted by Sylhetis regardless of his political affiliation.

Sylhet is not 50/50. Its only when AL make blunder then BNP gets some seat otherwise its a AL backyard. No Sylhet does not have significant Hindus except Srimangal.

No he is not. There are other great shyletis than him. As for whether its 50-50 or not, lets see in
the next elections IF your BAL allows elections that is.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Bangladesh would have been better under West Pakistan's nuclear umbrella-

It would have been better if two wings of Pakistan were in same umbrella equally and no one was under no one . It seems still habitually you use the term under regarding erstwhile east Pakistan. Regarding security and nuke muscle, it looks like one and in practical field it shows different. One good example is USSR...having the largest arsenal of WMD they couldn't defend their break up. Peoples' power is the ultimate one.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

It is always very conspicuous to me that the AL leaders never speak anything against India, rather remain as their stooges, even if anything goes against the interest of BD, but these same AL leaders were hyperactive against the so-called inequity, injustice and partiality by W.PK against E.PK/Bangalees. It's because that they have illicit relation with India since long time.

We should glean more and examine these unfamiliar matters comprehensively that happened before 1971 but omitted intentionally in our BTV/BAL/India type fabricated history. We should address Agartala Conspiracy, RAW's donation and involvement before 70's election and pre-71 propagandas what incited E.Pakistanis/Bangalees purposefully.

Seeing bal administration two terms (1997-2001 and 2009-2012) and learning the 72-75 term I have come to a concrete decision- no good thing, no fair revolution can take place under the leadership of bal. If this bal did lead all the revolts leading to ultimate result of 71, there definitely is a behind the scene game, it's impossible by this bal to continue a sacred war without any sort of greed. The main protagonists of 71 were three power hungry b$ast$rds- Mujib, Bhutto and Yahya who didn't care of lives of innocent and india filled in their basket at ripe time. If power were handed over to Mujib following election result, Pakistan at least could keep india out of the scene and could plot some concrete idea to completely kick them out. india had its plan from the very beginning of these two countries, they succeeded and it was total failure of Pakistan. Now we have only one thing blaming others and avoiding own weaknesses.

 

[clmeta]

A vast majority of Indian Muslims don't regret being in India either. At the end of they day, everybody feels proud about one's country. Whether it is Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Somalia or France.
That's natural Amstrong.

On the 'Indian Muslims' or as 'Mohajirs' or 'Urdu Speakers' as they are called : Should you wish to, I could help identify no less than 5-10 of them on this very forum and you can ask them these questions yourselves; or better yet PM Bilalhaider or Pakistanisage - both are Pakistanis born of parents who immigrated to what would become 'Pakistan' ! But if I might add some anecdotal evidence - I haven't come across a single one of these 'Urdu Speakers' who feel that they made a mistake coming to Pakistan and I've had the good fortune of having met many including one who married into our family (my cousin's wife !). Also if, Kashmiri Muslims, can be called 'Immigrants' as well then I've got a few relatives on my Dad's side (hes an ethnic Kashmiri !) who immigrated to Pakistan and in particular Sialkot and later Lahore, from Jammu; some of them even lost their loved ones and naturally they don't think that they made a mistake !

So dear friend...I do implore you to come to Pakistan, visit these communities for yourselves, interact with the common Pakistani yourselves and then don't be surprised if it turns out that the realities of Pakistan, however grim they maybe, are far from the ones that have been sketched out in the media ! Indian Muslims who choose Pakistan are as Pakistanis as the rest of us if not more because of the amount of sacrifices they made and they are treated as such ! However don't confuse our contempt for, or so it is perceived, the militant organization MQM as our contempt for the 'Urdu Speakers/Mohajir Community !'



Had Pakistan not let them down so terribly more would want to come back to 'Pakistan' as they should have been in the '70s, the '80s and throughout the '90s !



I doubt if the Biharis ever numbered in the 'Millions' in BD to begin with ! A million..yes, a couple million - probably not !

If the majority of your countrymen fought for separate country only on the basis of propaganda, then they must be complete idiots.Which is obviously not the case. Thank your fighters and the Indian army otherwise you may never have known what freedom means. And again, how do you know what you've written below is not propaganda? How do you know you are not brain washed again?

We fought sacrifice our life in 1971 because we were made to think Pakistan is the mother of all problem for Bangalees in Pakistan . it was probably made by the RAW agent in east Pakistan (Bangladesh ). so ultimately it was the success of RAW .they made us believe all their propaganda/allegation on West Pakistan . the end result we fought a decisive battle against the Pakistan army and achieved our independence as we were made thought this is the sole path of getting rid of any oppression .

You claiming to conquer India is like Somalia claiming to conquer China.
What a load of crap man?

@ Actually to create "atang" among the Bangali babus of West Bengal. The blue border line is the greater Bengal, merging Bangladesh with West Bengal.

@ On the north east red is the district of Sylhet which was the part of Assam. This was separated from Assam and annexed with East Bengal through referendum. But still many more parts of Sylhet district were not included with East Bengal.

@ Some parts of West Bengal like Murshidabad, Maldah, Kuch Bihar where the Muslim League got the majority were not included with East Bengal.

@ By showing this avatar to the Indians I am claiming those lands. Today or tomorrow, "ham honge kamiab". Once India split like USSR we will at once annex those areas, we are just waiting for the opportune moment. " Bat samaj me ai , mere Pakistani dost ".



@ "Are yar they are doing it. Just few days back in Chittagong and Dhaka some Pakistan's were caught with Indian fake notes.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Odd. That information is never, ever discussed on the mass media.

If true what you say, there certainly are folks pulling the media strings. Anyways, there is too much distortion in Bangladesh. Let alone transparency.

Do you think there are people brave enough to fight that distortion?

Brave people in BD after 71 have no food, have to die covertly or overtly.