1971 war a RAW success?

[Skies]

Seeing bal administration two terms (1997-2001 and 2009-2012) and learning the 72-75 term I have come to a concrete decision- no good thing, no fair revolution can take place under the leadership of bal. If this bal did lead all the revolts leading to ultimate result of 71, there definitely is a behind the scene game, it's impossible by this bal to continue a sacred war without any sort of greed. The main protagonists of 71 were three power hungry b$ast$rds- Mujib, Bhutto and Yahya who didn't care of lives of innocent and india filled in their basket at ripe time. If power were handed over to Mujib following election result, Pakistan at least could keep india out of the scene and could plot some concrete idea to completely kick them out. india had its plan from the very beginning of these two countries, they succeeded and it was total failure of Pakistan. Now we have only one thing blaming others and avoiding own weaknesses.

But how can they give power to Mujib when he was accused for '69 conspiracy which is a proven fact now? Anyway, I agree that mainly PK leaders were responsible for failing in maintaining the political disorder and confusions due to having retarded brain. I also think that pre-71 conspiracy and Mujib's call for "Ebarer Songgram Shadhinotar Songgram" (he can not call for independence in a sovereign country from the perspective of W. PKis) on 07th March provoked and led P.Army to make blunder and kill many people indiscriminately on 25 March.

 

[kalu_miah]

Dont know if its true but intelligence agencies like RAW/ISI/MOSSAD etc are formed for some reasons,
And they are very secretive.
Ok RAW IS EVIL!
But its successful as you say for the failure at your end.As we speak as per your claims your ruling party is run by RAW!
Even if your elections are forged,the fact that even if 100 common muslim people of your country voted for AL,its a DISGRACE for BD.
It happens neither in India or Pak but BD.
Why?

Indeed very good point, I have this very same question, why? What is wrong with us? Why can't we see that these RAWamy's are enemy agent? Is it because of some stealth agents who pretend they love the country and confuse us or is it because as a nation we are just plain stupid?

I've heard of this before. Some say the Indians killed off some of the intellectuals.

But the thing is, there is no evidence to prove it.

So, it is really important to find evidence. But it is interesting that you are expressing doubt claiming for evidence where enough is already known about the big picture to see that it is quite plausible that this had actually happened. And intelligence agents job is to hide their tracks, so unless we get some classified RAW files, it will be difficult to uncover. Another way would be to detain and question all Awami League leaders and workers active at that time in 1971.

That is because no one has bothered to find out. When I was researching for my book I found indications of an Indian policy of assassination and extermination of leftist intellectuals and politicians and even Mizo's in the CHT. They mainly used the Mujib Bahini to carry out their dirty work. The evidence is there and many who participated in these events are still alive but no one is looking into this aspect of the 1971 war. The policy continued after Independence with the Rakkhi Bahini doing most of the killings for RAW. Most of this information can be found in my book.

Shiraj Shikdar, I heard was a great patriotic leftist sharbohara leader, although I do not approve of his own killings, but he was killed by Mujib.

There aint much Hindus in BD to keep AL in power,you know it.
But then again its your failure as a nation taht RAW controls AL. And a Bangladeshi is killed at border areas almost every day whatever be the reason. Its because of your weakness that you have to beg for river water.
I know the reply would be like millions of strong muslims would one day break dams,break india etc.
But you cany deny the reality.
when you have a choice between the life of your mother and an unknown person you would chose your mother 100%. India is doing just that. We are being selfish for our country. China doing the same. And every country with some regional influence.

Indeed, very good point, I find it funny that I finally found myself agreeing with one Indian. But fact is fact. Our country and people love our own traitors and make them kings and queens, that is how clueless and stupid we are. In the end it is 100% our fault.

I personally don't follow any particular ideology. So much of what you said there are irrelevant to me.

However from experience, I can say that the presently ruling Awami League is not doing well. I've even witnessed vegetable hawker stands and shops being crushed for not paying bribes to the police and to the ruling MP of the area. So you get the picture and a hint as to for what I stand for.

The BNP were (are) corrupt as well, but aren't as extreme as the other. It is that brand of extremism that I despise very much.

Majority of Bangladeshis aren't necessarily die-hard BNP'ers or AL'ers. They just want good rule and feel a reason to exist. In fact, they are the ones who determine who wins the election.

India? Well, it is more of a pest that isn't getting its regular dose of insecticides. That is as far as our internal matters are concerned.

That's all I can say

Zabaniya, think about what he is saying. Majority Bangladeshi's are clueless and stupid and I agree with him. You are as confused as many. Corruption and foreign enemy agent are two different things, you must understand the difference.

 

[M_Saint]

Indeed very good point, I have this very same question, why? What is wrong with us? Why can't we see that these RAWamy's are enemy agent? Is it because of some stealth agents who pretend they love the country and confuse us or is it because as a nation we are just plain stupid?.

Answer to this why would be very long but in brief, up until 1946; Hindus were prominent intellectuals, traders and politically conscious; some of which infiltrated in AWAMY ranks, Communist parties that were leading political parties at a large vacuum of nationalistic Islamic front. Our father's generation was brain washed to think on how Lefty+AL+Commies would want them to think. Resurgence of Islam through JI as a counter weight caused draining away of Commie's support and creation of highly educated activists that could rebuff RAWamys thus their vote banks started to shrink along with the rise of true political consciences of inhabitants. Today's Luffy500s were unseen in 50s, 60s but their numbers surpassed RAWamys by now. As human doesn't born as stupid but gets raised as such, it's our misfortune to have a land mass that has the record of being exploited by insider, outsiders;which had made us stupid, idiots. But by the passage of time it has been changing; so exploiters are more ruthless, allocates more resources to cause Lathi+Baita mayhem thus they don't loss the grip on BD'S mass. That's why BD is a classic example of an entity of HAQ vs. Batil's long war IMO.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

It is highly amusing how some delusional person is making claim like a minor party like Jamat was causing feeding away vote from BAL. To such ill informed people just would like to show them the 1970 vote result. This minnow Jamat got only 4 seats with only 6% vote in united Pakistan compared to 160 seats of BAL with 39.2% vote.

Pakistani general election, 1970 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope this will put a clear cut picture of these delusional lot.

N I will find amusing the word "RAWamy" ... pretty unique in nature as I have heard about it for the 1st time in this forum by a few.

As it was certain that most of the Bengali people voted for BAL at that time including "ZIAUR RAHMAN", just wondering whether Late President "Ziaur Rahman" is also a RAWAMY traitor for remaining obedient to Shaikh Mujibor Rahman and proclaiming independence on behalf of "THE GREAT NATIONAL LEADER, SUPREME COMMANDER" Shaikh Mujibor Rahman as described by him to these delusional lot?

N Jammat!!! Dnt want to make any comment regarding this party. Those who try to hide Jammat behind BNP for them I would like to say that most of the BNP activists mainly the JCD have shown their reservation to work with Jammat as described in numerous news article.

Kabiraaz can shed some more light in this regard.

Bottom line both BAL and BNP have been deviated from the line of its founder and rotten from its core. Either full leadership structure of both the party needs to be changed or both parties needs to be thrown to dustbin after banning Jammat altogether.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

@ Hi MBI Munshi, do you know that once Bangladesh got independent on 16 December 1971, we had been chanting slogan,"Joy Bangla", the "K" force and Mujib Bahini under General Oban secretly U turned towards Chittagong Hill Tracts and carried out secret missions. It is said that all the Chakma or Tribal para military forces which collaborated with the Raja Tridev Rai and Pakistan Army were gathered together and were killed in mass. The figure is something 10,000. Soon some of these Tribal people along with other Bengali Rajakars went to Burma and started for the revival of "Muslim Bangla". They even establish one Radio Station.

Yes I heard about the incident. There is some mention of these operations in Gen. S.S. Uban's book about Indian action in CHT. He of course does not reveal the whole thing but I connected the matter with other references and mentioned this killing policy in my book.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

N this is what most of the Bangladeshi youth think... The following video is a good demonstration. They show respect to both Shaikh Mujibor Rahman and Ziaur Rahman. Not what some Jammati Razakar try to portray or see through their narrow lenses.

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgYCoLgXyg[/video]

Dnt believe my comment??? Go read the comment and see whether you can find any bad comment on Mujib or Zia the two most important national hero of Bangladesh.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Odd. That information is never, ever discussed on the mass media.

If true what you say, there certainly are folks pulling the media strings. Anyways, there is too much distortion in Bangladesh. Let alone transparency.

Do you think there are people brave enough to fight that distortion?

I made a try and look what happened ......

 

[Maira La]

MOD: Can I be a moderator for a day? I feel this intense urge to get rid of all '71 related threads in the BD subforum. One thread on 1971 is enough guys!

 

[BanglaBhoot]

MOD: Can I be a moderator for a day? I feel this intense urge to get rid of all '71 related threads in the BD subforum. One thread on 1971 is enough guys!

1971 is not a one thread issue. Discussion on one thread would soon make no sense to any one.

 

[M_Saint]

N this is what most of the Bangladeshi youth think... The following video is a good demonstration. They show respect to both Shaikh Mujibor Rahman and Ziaur Rahman. Not what some Jammati Razakar try to portray or see through their narrow lenses.

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgYCoLgXyg[/video]

Dnt believe my comment??? Go read the comment and see whether you can find any bad comment on Mujib or Zia the two most important national hero of Bangladesh.

Friends/Brothers/Compatriots,

Please note that Captain Ganja in nothing but a big deceiver here. He is saying good things about Zia only because Zia is dead and dead man doesn't bear any significance. Bastard MUA and his other commie-cohorts also eulogies Zia but denigrate his immediate family members to push their agenda. This Captain Ganja also glorifies RAWamy dalal's Mula (Carrot) whilst conveniently ignore current failure in every front. People/nation build their/its future basing on current action/planning, then how would RAWamy glorification come to fruition when they are destroying every fabric of our beloved motherland? Please think to rebut this Ganja's claim.

 

[third eye]

Some of the honorable posters here don't appreciate me being nasty, otherwise you would have been made worse than Hanuman’s shyte that would require millions of Ganga Snan to get rid of dirt.

Could you be so kind as to explain what was intended by bringing in references to Hindu Gods & rituals in the post made & what relevance it has to what was intended to be put across ??

 

[Jako]

Could you be so kind as to explain what was intended by bringing in references to Hindu Gods & rituals in the post made & what relevance it has to what was intended to be put across ??

Thats the insecurity which a common Banngladeshi usually hides within themselves.
But this guy here is such a moron that he resorts to the usual namecalling to the HINDUS OF BANGLADESH.That poor chap avishek doesnt even post anymore.
If you consider BD your enemy third eye,you should be happy by the activities of this people!

 

[GR!FF!N]

LOL...this thread is become funnier and funnier...i don't know what problem these guys have with AL.If AL is traitor,how come they won major elections with so much votes???does this mean really BD is a playground of RAW or actually people support AL??

 

[indian_jigar]

I think the solution for Bangladeshi people here in PDF simply is dont vote for Awami League next time. If they dont come in power, good for you. If they do come in power, then just realize that its what your country wants and stop whining about India.

 

[KRAIT]

I think the solution for Bangladeshi people here in PDF simply is dont vote for Awami League next time. If they dont come in power, good for you. If they do come in power, then just realize that its what your country wants and stop whining about India.

Most of them won't even vote....but unfortunately its same in our country too....