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Indeed, this sentence has summarized everything.
Indians failed to entered Gymkhana, Lahore and this summarize the whole war.
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Indeed, this sentence has summarized everything.
I guess it is not about the obsession, but all about curiosity. The book may have nothing new but the fact that they tried to stop that book to reach in public’s hands makes it something highly desirable. I have read a number of books on this subject from extreme pro-Pakistan to extreme pro-Indian point of view. I have finally reached to a conclusion that indeed it was a stalemate until the ceasefire. However, if the war had lingered on for another one week, we could have lost at least a couple of cities. When approached to Chinese, that is exactly what they advised him, no to go for a ceasefire, fight for a few more weeks before China intervene actively. Unfortunately, FM (self-proclaimed) Ayub Khan did not have nerves to execute any such plan. Ayub Khan was one such unfortunate leader who was let down not only by his Generals but also by his FM, Z.A. Bhutto.There is a lot of independent commentary around (no I am not talking about wikipedia) so why obsess with this general’s book when you’ve already rubbished books written by his colleagues?
According to the United States Library of Congress Country Studies:
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy--on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 1965 war has been studied and written on by many observers and military professionals. General Ahmed may have written about things from a certain...perspective that the GHQ deemed inappropriate but that in itself is a weak argument if you're wishing to dispute our views of the event.
We are very aware of what happened and what didn't, and so is the nation and even those who are not tend to have negative views.
First of ll your source is not realible.
Second you forget to mention the losses on indian side!
at people who claim pakistan had the upper hand in 1965 technologically....
well indians had MIG21S that our famous pathankot raid destroyed on the ground!!
secondly the minute war broke out USA stopped all military aid to pakistan!!!
at people who claim pakistan had the upper hand in 1965 technologically....
well indians had MIG21S that our famous pathankot raid destroyed on the ground!!
secondly the minute war broke out USA stopped all military aid to pakistan!!!
now as for the book well no matter what general ahmed had to say what about alot of other accounts that alot of other armed men of the time wrote what about the book CHUCK YEAGER wrote....?? ooooh i forgot CHUCK YEAGER was bias as well because he wrote in pakistans favour.....
so let me get one thing straight anything written in favour of pakistan is UNFAIR and anything written AGAINST us is fair!!!!
some links for you my friends
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...tan-air-force-international-media-quotes.html
The day the PAF got away! -: Air Marshal S Raghavendran [www.bharat-rakshak.com]
your own guy admits our first squadron of MIG21s was operational!!!
"It was the morning after the initial Pakistani strike that Yeager began to take the war with India personally. On the eve o f their attack, the Pakistanis had been prudent enough to evacuate their planes from airfields close to the Indian border and move them back into the hinterlands. But no one thought to warn General Yeager. Thus, when an Indian fighter pilot swept low over Islamabad's airport in India's first retaliatory strike, he could see only two small planes on the ground. Dodging antiaircraft fire, he blasted both to smithereens with 20 -millimeter cannon fire. One was Yeager's Beechcraft. The other was a plane used by United Nations forces to supply the patrols that monitored the ceasefire line in Kashmir.
I never found out how the United Nations reacted to the destruction of its plane, but Yeager's response was anything but dispassionate. He raged to his cowering colleagues at a staff meeting. His voice resounding through the embassy, he proclaimed that the Indian pilot not only knew exactly what he was doing but had been specifically instructed by Indira Gandhi to blast Yeager's plane. ("It was,' he relates in his book , "the Indian way of giving Uncle Sam the finger.')
The destruction of the Beechcraft was the last straw for Yeager. He vanished from his office, and, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't seen again in Islamabad until the war was over. It wasn't a long peri od; the Indians took only two weeks to trounce the Pakistanis. East Pakistan, known as Bangladesh, became an independent country, and Yahya resigned in disgrace. He was so drunk during his televised farewell speech that the camera focused not on him but on a small table radio across the room."
Reference: Edward C. Ingraham, "The right stuff in the wrong place" - Chuck Yeager's crash landing in Pakistan, Washington Monthly, Oct, 1985
The right stuff in the wrong place - Chuck Yeager's crash landing in Pakistan | Washington Monthly | Find Articles at BNET
The very fact that GHQ tried to suppress the book, makes it clear that the PA has something to hide about the 1965 fiasco.
The article clearly states that the book if published could have burst the MYTH of PA's victory in the 1965 war.
However, if the war had lingered on for another one week, we could have lost at least a couple of cities.
Dude that statement is an extract from the - United States Library of Country Studies. Do you even know what that is!!??
wasn't chuck yeager...training your pilots in pakistan the time war broke out?at people who claim pakistan had the upper hand in 1965 technologically....
well indians had MIG21S that our famous pathankot raid destroyed on the ground!!
secondly the minute war broke out USA stopped all military aid to pakistan!!!
now as for the book well no matter what general ahmed had to say what about alot of other accounts that alot of other armed men of the time wrote what about the book CHUCK YEAGER wrote....?? ooooh i forgot CHUCK YEAGER was bias as well because he wrote in pakistans favour.....
so let me get one thing straight anything written in favour of pakistan is UNFAIR and anything written AGAINST us is fair!!!!
some links for you my friends
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...tan-air-force-international-media-quotes.html
The day the PAF got away! -: Air Marshal S Raghavendran [www.bharat-rakshak.com]
your own guy admits our first squadron of MIG21s was operational!!!
hahahaha i love the way INDIANS Squeal when we say CHUCK YEAGER.....well the world thought he was neutral and still does and the world respects the man....INDIANS however might have other thoughts.....as for his plane being blown up well just because you blew up his plane you think he turned against you...now this is something that i don't want to get into.... i mean the guy writes bad stuff about you just because you blew up his plane...lol not everyone is an INDIAN my friend....
yeager or no yeager....saber debut was back in 48...by 65...it was an old aircraft....but having said that fine we had an advantage in quality of fighters....however we destroyed most of the airforce on the ground... now that is QUALITY of planning my friend.... and as for MIG21 back then well it was becoming operational but we never even gave it a chance to get up and flying....besides if it did it would have been a RAFALE of the time....so we did what could have been an ideal move destroy the enemy on the ground...no QUALITITVE edge there my friend!!
Well, I think the article saying that was from an Indian press site so I wouldn't take it too seriously, and just because a book purports to something doesn't make it true. For all we knew the book could turn out to be of fairly weak quality and that could be one of the reasons GHQ is discouraging it.