1965 War Documentary Fath-e-Mobin

[nik141993]

Since you guys still belong to age when Kids determine ''victory'' of war by adding and subtracting number of tanks destroyed, air crafts shot down, soldiers killed and territory gained, so I better safe my time instead of preaching you people that wars are won by determining the extent of goals achieved, the price paid for achieving that goal and the worth of advantages that goals offer in short and long terms.

Wars are won b

only objective you achieved is delusion nothing more nothing less. There were three objective two by pakistan & one by india

1.operation gibraltar>pakistan fail

2.operation grandslam> pakistan fail

3.india divirting pakistan forces from J&k to defend lahore > successfull with india holding 500 sq km in pakistan sialkot sector alone at time of ceasfire

end result pak gain nothing but only loose more teritory,man & machine...great victory indeed

 

[Windjammer]

The left over of the so called mighty Gurkha company.

 

[Delnavaz B]

only objective you achieved is delusion nothing more nothing less. There were three objective two by pakistan & one by india

1.operation gibraltar>pakistan fail

2.operation grandslam> pakistan fail

3.india divirting pakistan forces from J&k to defend lahore > successfull with india holding 500 sq km in pakistan sialkot sector alone at time of ceasfire

end result pak gain nothing but only loose more teritory,man & machine...great victory indeed

That was your version but the reality is bit different if not the case then why Mrs. Gandhi said in 1971 that she took revenge of 1965 defeat?

 

[Jackdaws]

• Retired American diplomat Dennis Kux: "Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated."
• English historian John Keay: "The war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate."
• American author Stanley Wolpert: "The war ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on US ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the ceasefire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to [Pakistani president] Ayub's chagrin."

That was your version but the reality is bit different if not the case then why Mrs. Gandhi said in 1971 that she took revenge of 1965 defeat?

She never said that. This is as much a myth as those angels who descended from heaven to fight for Pak in 1965.

 

[nik141993]

That was your version but the reality is bit different if not the case then why Mrs. Gandhi said in 1971 that she took revenge of 1965 defeat?

first it was for 1000 year muslim rule now 65 pakistani never fail to amaze

 

[Jamwal's]

You are entering Pakistan - No passport required so bash on regardless

Pak POW waiting to be transported to Prison Camps where they would live for years.

And this one takes the cream

 

[cerberus]

Good God your grammar's atrocious. I'm going to try and understand what you read, but no promises I got it accurate.

Anyway, you failed to take Lahore and Sialkot, if you don't see that as defeat after you started the war then I don't know what is. Oh and your Prime Minister died of heart attack due to the ceasefire terms.

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This what India Gained Over 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2(180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front.

 

[Hamza913]

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This what we gained It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2(180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front.

Again, the defender always loses more territory and if your gains were so grand, why weren't you able to take the entire cities?

 

[unbiasedopinion]

India actually attacked Pakistan almost 2 weeks after Gibraltar, and never said they attacked Pakistan for that reason at the time. There was almost 2 weeks of peace, but out of the blue they declared war. Very strange behaviour if you ask me.

Did you give 1 month notice to India when you did Operation Gibraltar?

 

[Hamza913]

Did you give 1 month notice to India when you did Operation Gibraltar?

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[cerberus]

Again, the defender always loses more territory and if your gains were so grand, why weren't you able to take the entire cities?

We did in 1971 or not We, In 1965 Pakistan Armour was Superior due to Cento Pact
you Have Launched Operation gibraltar on Pretext our 1962 war with china In our Low Times

Pakistan commanded more battle tanks in in 1965 than india with over

• 
  
  
  • 352 Pattons
  • 308 Shermans
  • 96 Chaffees

India on the other hand has WW2 Era tanks

• 
  
  
  • 186 Centurions[4]
  • 346 Shermans[2]
  • 90 AMX[2][4]
  • 90 PT-76

 

[Jamwal's]

POW Lahore front 1965

The irony here is - Jis Mitti mn khele or Bade huye wahin POW bane - courtesy Indian Army

Captured Bunker under Indian Army BooT - Very Few survivors at Dograi 1965

First time in the history of Subcontinent warfare - a Heli was shot down by Poona Horse

So now Pakistan is the only country which has this weird achievement -

Loosing First Submarine 1971

Loosing 1st Maritime Reconnaissance 1999 - Atlanteqe

Loosing warships to Anti ship missiles - op python 1971

First supersonic kill 1971 - Mig 21

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Want to know another hilarious thing? While we were fighting you guys, China could have technically opened up another front to relieve you guys, but they never showed up LOL

Apparently Chinese actually promised to open a second front, however never showed up

 

[Hamza913]

We did in 1971 or not We, In 1965 Pakistan Armour was Superior due to Cento Pact
you Have Launched Operation gibraltar on Pretext our 1962 war with china In our Low Times

Pakistan commanded more battle tanks in in 1965 than india with over

• 
  
  
  • 352 Pattons
  • 308 Shermans
  • 96 Chaffees

India on the other hand has WW2 Era tanks

• 
  
  
  • 186 Centurions[4]
  • 346 Shermans[2]
  • 90 AMX[2][4]
  • 90 PT-76

346 Sherman tanks.

Claims India was using WW2 tanks.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000399238.pdf