1965 Indo-Pak War: Busting the myth

[peagle]

yeah, but the other ethnic groups lose out when the focus is one ethnicity, one language, one culture. but luckily Bangladesh is ethnically liike 99% Bengali, so it doesnt make a big difference. whereas the concept of Pakistan was multi-ethnicity, multi-cultural, and multi-language with one common language to combine us all the same way we had one religion to combine us all. many of the founding fathers of Pakistan of Bengali ethnicity also believed that Urdu should be that link/national language, not Bengali, Punjabi, etc. many of the educated people of all the ethnicities in Pakistan (West and East) could speak Urdu very well.



no Pakistani denies the great contribution of the Bengali muslims in the creation of Pakistan and the movement that led to it. as i said, even today million of Bengalis (partially or fully) are Pakistanis. the Bengali people and language is very much valued and stored forever so that every Pakistani can see it. you want proof?

the video and pics below is Minar-e-Pakistan. the Lahore Resolution presented by AK Fazlul Haq is written in Urdu and Bengali and its on the monument itself. i am sure you know who AK Fazlul Haq is, the Sher-e-Bangla.

"At the base, there are floral inscriptions on ten converging white marble Commemorative plaques. The inscriptions include the text of Lahore Resolution in Urdu, Bengali and English, and Delhi Resolution's text, which was passed on 9 April 1946. On different plaques, Quranic verses and 99 names of Allah are inscribed in Arabic calligraphy, whereas National Anthem of Pakistan in Urdu and Bengali, excerpts from the speeches of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in Urdu, Bengali and English, along with few couplets of Allama Iqbal include the other important inscriptions."

also at Minar-e-Pakistan if you look from the top, you can see there are 2 crescent moons. one is green and that represents West Pakistan, and one is red and that represents East Pakistan.

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there are also 2 eyes, one represents West Pakistan, and the 2nd represents East Pakistan. you can see it in the video.

completion of the monument ended at 1968. 1971 happened later, so if we wanted to delete the contribution of Bengali people and Bengali language then we wouldnt have all this present at Minar-e-Pakistan, a very important site in the history of Pakistan (East and West).

@Destranator as for what you said about the human lives lost and damage in 1971. its still happening today. i dont know if you understand Urdu, but there is tear-jerker of a video you can see to know what i mean. a Pakistani Bengali was interviewed (in 2020) in a Bengali fish market in Pakistan. his sister lives in Bangladesh. he hasnt met his sister since 1974, he hasnt even seen her face on whatsapp or anything since 1974, ever since he came to Pakistan and started working for the Government of Pakistan. i put a time stamp in the video. just look at his eyes and listen to his voice.

@masterchief_mirza

Thought you might enjoy the above post, in case you are unaware.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

I was in process of putting this together, but couldn't find the videos, nice one, well done.

Our Bengali brothers are not aware of the proper history and the respect Pakistan showed to East Pakistan.
I have one Bengali friend, my age, in his 40s, who was under the impression that all West Pakistanis spoke Urdu as a mother tongue, in his worldview it was a West Pakistani Urdu vs East Pakistani Bengali.
He was shocked to learn new details. He has been in the UK most of his life although born in Bangladesh, I was shocked that's what he believed.

But, it is our job to educate, unfortunately, most Pakistanis are not properly aware either and provide empty, silly replies, that contribute very little.

i got a personal anecdote too. that cousin i told you about that married a Bangladeshi bengali girl. he met her while working in the Gulf, he liked her, eventually proposed. then he talked to his parents, who preferred that he marry a Bihari muhajir girl, but didnt object to the Bangladeshi girl if he was certain about her. so they invited her and her parents and initially (from what i heard) her parents were pretty 'stiff'. i dont know why, my mom wasnt giving me too many details. maybe it was because we were Pakistani, or maybe because we were Pakistanis from bihari muhajir background, and they werent sure how we would treat their daughter. eventually they relaxed when we told them that our family has a lot of history in East Pakistan. they got married and live in Canada. her, my cousin, and his parents under one roof, and everyone is happy. they treat her like their daughter and she picked up a lot of Urdu and they picked up some Bengali but at their age its not easy to learn a new language.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Well world disagreed regarding indian propaganda in EUDISINFOLAB..

Only Pakistanis are spamming a report of an NGO, no one else. One can write the same for Pakistan too, no problem.

 

[peagle]

i got a personal anecdote too. that cousin i told you about that married a Bangladeshi bengali girl. he met her while working in the Gulf, he liked her, eventually proposed. then he talked to his parents, who preferred that he marry a Bihari muhajir girl, but didnt object to the Bangladeshi girl if he was certain about her. so they invited her and her parents and initially (from what i heard) her parents were pretty 'stiff'. i dont know why, my mom wasnt giving me too many details. maybe it was because we were Pakistani, or maybe because we were Pakistanis from bihari muhajir background, and they werent sure how we would treat their daughter. eventually they relaxed when we told them that our family has a lot of history in East Pakistan. they got married and live in Canada. her, my cousin, and his parents under one roof, and everyone is happy. they treat her like their daughter and she picked up a lot of Urdu and they picked up some Bengali but at their age its not easy to learn a new language.

I have lots of stories, and largely it's hate towards Pakistan that converts to hate towards Pakistanis. But, we have been guilty of that because we have allowed stories and falshoods to exists by not providing our version of events, when you get both versions, only then a story is complete.

Let's leave this discussion for another time, otherwise, it will go totally off-topic (thread). Up till this point, it was relevant because the article pointed towards some falsehoods, the Bengalis need to know there is a lot more love and respect than the preception or what the history books show.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Only Pakistanis are spamming a report of an NGO, no one else. One can write the same for Pakistan too, no problem.

Lolx well only if Pakistan did that much of propaganda and left proofs in open thinking no one will come looking for it...

An NGO from EU with real European working in it..

 

[HostileInsurgent]

An NGO from EU with real European working in it..

Was this report passed by EU Parliament that you are hyping this report?

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Was this report passed by EU Parliament that you are hyping this report?

Report was presented to EU Parliament as well as UN

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Report was presented to EU Parliament as well as UN

What happened next?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

yeah, but the other ethnic groups lose out when the focus is one ethnicity, one language, one culture. but luckily Bangladesh is ethnically liike 99% Bengali, so it doesnt make a big difference. whereas the concept of Pakistan was multi-ethnicity, multi-cultural, and multi-lingual with one common language to combine us all the same way we had one religion to combine us all. many of the founding fathers of Pakistan of Bengali ethnicity also believed that Urdu should be that link/national language, not Bengali, Punjabi, etc. many of the educated people of all the ethnicities in Pakistan (West and East) could speak Urdu very well.



no Pakistani denies the great contribution of the Bengali muslims in the creation of Pakistan and the movement that led to it. as i said, even today million of Bengalis (partially or fully) are Pakistanis. the Bengali people and language is very much valued and stored forever so that every Pakistani can see it. you want proof?

the video and pics below is Minar-e-Pakistan. the Lahore Resolution presented by AK Fazlul Haq is written in Urdu and Bengali and its on the monument itself. i am sure you know who AK Fazlul Haq is, the Sher-e-Bangla.

"At the base, there are floral inscriptions on ten converging white marble Commemorative plaques. The inscriptions include the text of Lahore Resolution in Urdu, Bengali and English, and Delhi Resolution's text, which was passed on 9 April 1946. On different plaques, Quranic verses and 99 names of Allah are inscribed in Arabic calligraphy, whereas National Anthem of Pakistan in Urdu and Bengali, excerpts from the speeches of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in Urdu, Bengali and English, along with few couplets of Allama Iqbal include the other important inscriptions."

also at Minar-e-Pakistan if you look from the top, you can see there are 2 crescent moons. one is green and that represents West Pakistan, and one is red and that represents East Pakistan.

View attachment 723417

View attachment 723418

there are also 2 eyes, one represents West Pakistan, and the 2nd represents East Pakistan. you can see it in the video.

completion of the monument ended at 1968. 1971 happened later, so if we wanted to delete the contribution of Bengali people and Bengali language then we wouldnt have all this present at Minar-e-Pakistan, a very important site in the history of Pakistan (East and West).

@Destranator as for what you said about the human lives lost and damage in 1971. its still happening today. i dont know if you understand Urdu, but there is tear-jerker of a video you can see to know what i mean. a Pakistani Bengali was interviewed (in 2020) in a Bengali fish market in Pakistan. his sister lives in Bangladesh. he hasnt met his sister since 1974, he hasnt even seen her face on whatsapp or anything since 1974, ever since he came to Pakistan and started working for the Government of Pakistan. i put a time stamp in the video. just look at his eyes and listen to his voice.

Great points raised here!

Bengalis/erstwhile east Pakistanis are an immense chunk of our history. They and their contributions militarily and politically remain honoured at various Pakistani monuments - notwithstanding the 1971 war.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

What happened next?

Well india nanga hua or kia hua...

 

[VikingRaider]

I have lots of stories, and largely it's hate towards Pakistan that converts to hate towards Pakistanis. But, we have been guilty of that because we have allowed stories and falshoods to exists by not providing our version of events, when you get both versions, only then a story is complete.

Let's leave this discussion for another time, otherwise, it will go totally off-topic (thread). Up till this point, it was relevant because the article pointed towards some falsehoods, the Bengalis need to know there is a lot more love and respect than the preception or what the history books show.

Just one input. Bhai, I would say unfortunately you meet some Bangladeshi who aren't mainstream. Mainstream Bangladeshis don't remember what happened that time, because they believe that crime/sin has no inheritance. Like I am not guilty for my father's crime. But I really appreciate your very polite and friendly comment, honestly speaking.

I hope most of Pakistani brothers and sisters are like this.

Okay bhai now let's stick to the topic . Thanks and regards.

 

[mb444]

I am aware of these details but wasn't his mum Bengali? Also, I find the "too valuable to deploy" argument a bit ridiculous (this sounds like a retroactive argument to save face given that he remained loyal to Pakistan). Pakistan was fighting an existential war against India. If he was "too valuable" to fight then, what was his service being saved for? WW3?

Regardless, I must mention I have utmost respect for him. My beef is only with those who harmed unarmed civilians on both sides.


Counter argument: Are all the Bangladeshi Biharis Bengali then?

All biharis are bengali if you go by what what has traditionally been considered bengal. Bihar was bengal.

All biharis in UN camp as far as i am concerned is Bangladeshi. Urdu is as far as I am concerned is as Bangladeshi language as bengali notwithstanding the emotions surrounding the Bangladeshi movement.

 

[bluesky]

I was in process of putting this together, but couldn't find the videos, nice one, well done.

Our Bengali brothers are not aware of the proper history and the respect Pakistan showed to East Pakistan.
I have one Bengali friend, my age, in his 40s, who was under the impression that all West Pakistanis spoke Urdu as a mother tongue, in his worldview it was a West Pakistani Urdu vs East Pakistani Bengali.
He was shocked to learn new details. He has been in the UK most of his life although born in Bangladesh, I was shocked that's what he believed.

But, it is our job to educate, unfortunately, most Pakistanis are not properly aware either and provide empty, silly replies, that contribute very little.

Majority BD people are brainwashed by the political people, especially the BAL party to focus on blaming west Pakistan for the language movement. But, in reality, it was a decision by the ruling Muslim Lewague at the time of movement.

Even, not a west Pakistani, but Khwaja Nazimuddin of Dhaka was the Governor-General/President of Pakistan in 1952, and Quaid-e-Azam himself did not know Urdu. He liked to speak in English.

Yet, we are taught to blame west Pakistanis for everything that went wrong. In reality, other than Muhajirs from India, none other ethnicities of the then Pakistan were Urdu speakers.

The language issue was solved in the new Constitution of Pakistan during the Ayub era.

 

[Pakistani sipahi]

It's called war.


And that's called strategy. You could've, would've, should've done a lot of things, including reaching Delhi maybe, but you couldn't do it.
Mighty is the word a Pakistani PM once used to describe India at the UN.

The Disputed Areas are always hot , there can be skirmishes , battles , wars anytime , but fight goes on in that area only .

We would have taught you a great strategy should you have violated International Border on 26 Feb 2019 .
It was fortunate for you that you violated LOC only and that too by some meters , Think of if you had violated the international border what would our response have been.

If you had heard the complete speech that would have been better for you , La ilaha ilAllah , there is no God but Allah and we will fight .

 

[bluesky]

Well, in defence of the story on this side, Pakistan did initiate the incursion but only in the disputed areas.......the disputed areas which Pakistan considers its own and hence did nothing wrong. On the other hand, India crossed the International Border and hence initiated the WAR.

Yes, Pakistan did attack regions near Kashmir. But, what do you think the Indian military planners would do?

India simply spread the war zone to the entire border including Lahore and also to Rann of Kutch in Sindh. This is what any strategist would do. India spread the war and the Pakistani war machine was incapable to defend all the fronts at the same time. Hence, the war ended in a compromise in Tashkent.

Pakistan should show gratitude towards Russia for giving it the face by not allowing India to capture more and more lands.