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SOURCE: THE QUINT

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Time as they say, flies. In a little over two weeks, the nation will observe the 17th anniversary of the Kargil war. The bugles will sound, the customary wreaths will be placed, salutations will be made in memory of more than 500 dead.

Something else hasn’t changed: The shortage of ammunition! That the army has been dipping into its War Wastage Reserves (WWR) is old hat. The reserves are now down to about two weeks, meaning there’s only enough ammunition (bullets, shells etc) to last 14 days of intense fighting.

Army sources admit cutting down on training so that less ammunition is expended. It means infantry battalions are saving the ammunition that would otherwise have been used on the training range; artillery is doing the same, saving their stocks of shells and missiles; as also the tank regiments.

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Production Shortfall
The reasons are well known and minutely documented in government files and of course media reports. The Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) has around 14 units all across the country, making every kind of ammunition the army needs, but never enough. (Central Police Organisations also buy from the OFB but tend to expend less on training).

The army says it has, over many years, fine-tuned its planning, requirements are spread over five years, also annually. It’s laid down how much is required for training, for units in counter-insurgency operations and so on. The raising of the new mountain strike corps has also been taken into account. Money is paid to the OFB on time but delivery schedules tend to go haywire.

The OFB has rejected charges of lack of capacity, saying the problem of production shortfalls is because of the army’s placing of “piecemeal orders” and late finalisation.

Lack of Autonomy Hampers Decision-Making
So where lies the problem? A paper by the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA) in 2009 gives some clues. It pointed to the “lack of functional autonomy” of defence public sector undertakings, where even matters like research and development tend to be controlled by the civil bureaucracy-dominated defence ministry. Such control has stunted the OFB’s growth into an independent industrial enterprise. The members of the OFB have limited powers and there is little monitoring of production in the factories.

The IDSA paper found other faults, including the “high input usage rate” due to lack of process improvement and skill upgradation of the labour force.

The unions have effectively blocked any move to corporatise the factories and improve their functioning.

Transforming the Ordnance Factories Board
There are recurrent quality issues leading to loss of lives. On the direction of the defence ministry, the OFB is moving towards self-certification, but so far, this has been restricted to only low-value items like clothing and general stores. The credibility of that process is not clear.

There are pricing issues, technology absorption is low and there is no reliable system for assessing the performance of defence factories. Even more curious is the lack of synergy between the services, DRDO and the OFB. In fact, although the army is the OFB’s biggest customer, it has no representation on it (as is the case with the air force and Hindustan Aeronautics). Somebody at the top has to bite the bullet and set in motion the transformation of the OFB.


http://www.thequint.com/opinion/201...rdnance-factories-board-defence-ministry-drdo
 
No worry. Now we have the capacity to produce more than we can use in war.
 
SOURCE: THE QUINT

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Time as they say, flies. In a little over two weeks, the nation will observe the 17th anniversary of the Kargil war. The bugles will sound, the customary wreaths will be placed, salutations will be made in memory of more than 500 dead.

Something else hasn’t changed: The shortage of ammunition! That the army has been dipping into its War Wastage Reserves (WWR) is old hat. The reserves are now down to about two weeks, meaning there’s only enough ammunition (bullets, shells etc) to last 14 days of intense fighting.

Army sources admit cutting down on training so that less ammunition is expended. It means infantry battalions are saving the ammunition that would otherwise have been used on the training range; artillery is doing the same, saving their stocks of shells and missiles; as also the tank regiments.

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Production Shortfall
The reasons are well known and minutely documented in government files and of course media reports. The Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) has around 14 units all across the country, making every kind of ammunition the army needs, but never enough. (Central Police Organisations also buy from the OFB but tend to expend less on training).

The army says it has, over many years, fine-tuned its planning, requirements are spread over five years, also annually. It’s laid down how much is required for training, for units in counter-insurgency operations and so on. The raising of the new mountain strike corps has also been taken into account. Money is paid to the OFB on time but delivery schedules tend to go haywire.

The OFB has rejected charges of lack of capacity, saying the problem of production shortfalls is because of the army’s placing of “piecemeal orders” and late finalisation.

Lack of Autonomy Hampers Decision-Making
So where lies the problem? A paper by the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA) in 2009 gives some clues. It pointed to the “lack of functional autonomy” of defence public sector undertakings, where even matters like research and development tend to be controlled by the civil bureaucracy-dominated defence ministry. Such control has stunted the OFB’s growth into an independent industrial enterprise. The members of the OFB have limited powers and there is little monitoring of production in the factories.

The IDSA paper found other faults, including the “high input usage rate” due to lack of process improvement and skill upgradation of the labour force.

The unions have effectively blocked any move to corporatise the factories and improve their functioning.

Transforming the Ordnance Factories Board
There are recurrent quality issues leading to loss of lives. On the direction of the defence ministry, the OFB is moving towards self-certification, but so far, this has been restricted to only low-value items like clothing and general stores. The credibility of that process is not clear.

There are pricing issues, technology absorption is low and there is no reliable system for assessing the performance of defence factories. Even more curious is the lack of synergy between the services, DRDO and the OFB. In fact, although the army is the OFB’s biggest customer, it has no representation on it (as is the case with the air force and Hindustan Aeronautics). Somebody at the top has to bite the bullet and set in motion the transformation of the OFB.


http://www.thequint.com/opinion/201...rdnance-factories-board-defence-ministry-drdo
high time to privatise OFB and share tech with TATA , L&T , Mahindra BABA Kalyani & relaince to bridge this gap
 
that's why Indian always cry when
PAKISTAN try to get some stuff from western countries
poor Indian
how u can fight with china
remember 1962
after my these comments
many Indian members start abusing as modi
 
Let me explain

In 2004 indians were chest beating about being a supa powa (but in reality you only had 2 weeks of ammo)

In 2009 indians were chest beating about being a supa pawa (but in reality you only had 2 weeks of ammo)

In 2014 indians were chest beating about being a supa pawa (but in reality you only had 2 weeks of ammo)

Now in 2016 it is revealed you only have 2 weeks of ammo your saying dont worry supa pawa india has capacity to build more because you know india in 2016 is a supa vedic supa powa civilizational force and economic future of the planet.


In reality this is part of the reason why indian military is hesitant to push Pakistan too far even when indian soldiers are killed by alleged pakistan based militants

These so called statistics are released only to pave way for more acquisitions and so that the Nation rather than making hue and cry on buying more things, should actually ask for buying more. Can U even believe that ammo for such a big Army is not even maintained in minimum levels when its actually talking about two front war? This is an old ploy which we see every now and then in India. So Pakistan should not get complacent at all. On the contrary if the case is really so as depicted (which i highly doubt wud b so) then surely all related higher ups there need quite good spanking from Govt (their own call though).
 
that's why Indian always cry when
PAKISTAN try to get some stuff from western countries
poor Indian
how u can fight with china
remember 1962
after my these comments
many Indian members start abusing as modi
what has china or pakistan got to with shortage of ammo in india ? o_O
 
SOURCE: THE QUINT

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Time as they say, flies. In a little over two weeks, the nation will observe the 17th anniversary of the Kargil war. The bugles will sound, the customary wreaths will be placed, salutations will be made in memory of more than 500 dead.

Something else hasn’t changed: The shortage of ammunition! That the army has been dipping into its War Wastage Reserves (WWR) is old hat. The reserves are now down to about two weeks, meaning there’s only enough ammunition (bullets, shells etc) to last 14 days of intense fighting.

Army sources admit cutting down on training so that less ammunition is expended. It means infantry battalions are saving the ammunition that would otherwise have been used on the training range; artillery is doing the same, saving their stocks of shells and missiles; as also the tank regiments.

thequint%2F2016-07%2F9939523d-d372-42d4-805f-c67b78e4b832%2FAcute%20Shortage%20of%20Ammunition.jpg


Production Shortfall
The reasons are well known and minutely documented in government files and of course media reports. The Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) has around 14 units all across the country, making every kind of ammunition the army needs, but never enough. (Central Police Organisations also buy from the OFB but tend to expend less on training).

The army says it has, over many years, fine-tuned its planning, requirements are spread over five years, also annually. It’s laid down how much is required for training, for units in counter-insurgency operations and so on. The raising of the new mountain strike corps has also been taken into account. Money is paid to the OFB on time but delivery schedules tend to go haywire.

The OFB has rejected charges of lack of capacity, saying the problem of production shortfalls is because of the army’s placing of “piecemeal orders” and late finalisation.

Lack of Autonomy Hampers Decision-Making
So where lies the problem? A paper by the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA) in 2009 gives some clues. It pointed to the “lack of functional autonomy” of defence public sector undertakings, where even matters like research and development tend to be controlled by the civil bureaucracy-dominated defence ministry. Such control has stunted the OFB’s growth into an independent industrial enterprise. The members of the OFB have limited powers and there is little monitoring of production in the factories.

The IDSA paper found other faults, including the “high input usage rate” due to lack of process improvement and skill upgradation of the labour force.

The unions have effectively blocked any move to corporatise the factories and improve their functioning.

Transforming the Ordnance Factories Board
There are recurrent quality issues leading to loss of lives. On the direction of the defence ministry, the OFB is moving towards self-certification, but so far, this has been restricted to only low-value items like clothing and general stores. The credibility of that process is not clear.

There are pricing issues, technology absorption is low and there is no reliable system for assessing the performance of defence factories. Even more curious is the lack of synergy between the services, DRDO and the OFB. In fact, although the army is the OFB’s biggest customer, it has no representation on it (as is the case with the air force and Hindustan Aeronautics). Somebody at the top has to bite the bullet and set in motion the transformation of the OFB.


http://www.thequint.com/opinion/201...rdnance-factories-board-defence-ministry-drdo
30 day WWR will exist by the end of this year, I don't see a conflict breaking out before then so it's all good.
 
These so called statistics are released only to pave way for more acquisitions and so that the Nation rather than making hue and cry on buying more things, should actually ask for buying more. Can U even believe that ammo for such a big Army is not even maintained in minimum levels when its actually talking about two front war? This is an old ploy which we see every now and then in India.

You know, you nailed it!!!

I was seeing the reactions and only your post actually made a sense
 
30 day WWR will exist by the end of this year, I don't see a conflict breaking out before then so it's all good.
You are wasting your time on this nonsense news, I had already debunked this misinterpretation of this
CAG report in this post:

The report though published in 2015, refers to shortage in 2008-2009 and 2012-2013.

http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/AmmunitionfortheIndianArmy_acowshish_090615



Chinese fanboys are probably under the delusion that PLA ammunition has infinite shelf-life.

Every military on the planet faces ammunition shortages due replacement of ammunition at the end of its shelf-life.Using expired ammunition is dangerous as it can blow-up.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/critical-ammo-shortages-affect-u-s-military-stocks/#!

But God like omnipotent PLA must be immune to it because CCP chooses not make its military's audit reports public (assuming that they happen in the first place).

It hilarious that these deluded chaps think India cannot manufacture its own ammunition when India maintain a surplus in ammunition trade

For 2015:
Indian arms/ammunition exports: $120 million
Indian arms/ammunition imports: $35 million

India runs an $85 million surplus thanks to arms and ammunition exports.

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Interestingly, India arms/ammunition exports has grown by 4 times in the last 5 years

2011 Indian arms/ammunition exports: $ 28 million
2015 Indian arms/ammunition exports: $ 120 million

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Where as arms/ ammunition imports has been steady with no major significant change:

2011 Indian arms/ammunition imports: $ 29 million
2015 Indian arms/ammunition imports: $ 35 million


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Why send billions of dollars of unspent military budget money back to the govt if

Go and spend the money get the ammo get the equipment
 

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