16th December 1971: From East Pakistan to Bangladesh

[Musalman]

Didn't deputy speaker of BD assembly confused that Agrthala was true and they decided to part ways with Pakistan in 69

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Can you prove that Sheikh Mujib was involved in "Agartala conspiracy"? Ayub Khan could not. Why, because it was a true case that involved other small time RAW agents in then East Pakistan, but not Sheikh Mujib, he was falsely accused. And Ayub Khan knew all this as it was common knowledge among Army top echelons who had access to intelligence information. But Ayub Khan tried to use this case anyways to put the label on Mujib as traitor, to crush him politically and to destroy his support among Bengali's in East Pakistan, who would never accept a traitor as their leader. Unfortunately, the plan backfired. It could not be proven that Mujib was not involved in Agartala case, because he really was not. The case fell apart and Ayub Khan himself had to resign as a result of this fiasco. And Mujib a relatively unknown leader of not very high quality (I consider him a thug and a goon of Suhrawardi who never grew up to be anything better), became the most popular leader and voice of then East Pakistan.

So in brief, the brilliant Ayub Khan set the background for 1970 election win of Mujib led Awami League and then another genius Yahya Khan, set foot in the trap setup by Indian RAW instigation and broke Pakistan with his brilliant Operation Searchlight. If it was not for the incompetence of these two generals, my guess is that Pakistan would not have broken, at least not in this way. It could be an amicable separation like the bloodless velvet divorce between Czechs and Slovaks:
Dissolution of Czechoslovakia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's the point arguing with them who can't even judge on neutral basis and then mix the emotion? See how easier it's for them to accuse Mujib of Agartala conspiracy but how many of them have you seen blaming those Bhutto and Yahya who broke two wings? They can't, probably this is the root cause that actually broke the then Pakistan....they don't open eyes.

Moreover, it wouldn't be possible ever to stay together..bad is it had gone through bloodshed.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@kalu_miah, Muslims can not ignore Ummah feelings, but it is important to understand the limitations of Ummah concept in current times.

The best that can be hoped for is the formation of a club of Muslim democracies for positive improvements in our part of the world. A small budget allocated to social uplift projects overseen by experienced parlimentarians can be a tentative start. This program can later be enlarged to include disaster relief, growth of mature political systems, and higher education. We can aim for something like EU, but not as binding with single currency and uniform policies. Defence cooperation can come last in this progression (like NATO) but only after models of conflict resolution are firmly in place. An organization that oversees all these efforts can elect its own leader with limited powers and checks & balances. Someone who leads by personal example and acts as an inspiration to Muslims.

Nothing good will come out of Gulf Arabs anytime soon. China has its own interests. Each country must focus on political maturity and cooperation with others to provide impetus to a movement that leads to the above scenario. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Malaysia, Iran, Indonesia, and other Muslim democracies can participate in just such a project. Arabs can join when and if they evolve politically.

Right now Bangladesh politics seems to be a mess. But it shall not stay that way for ever. Pakistan is also struggling. But whichever way you look at it, this is the only way we can all come together on a program of positive cooperation that does not evoke reaction, suspicion, and resistance from others.

 

[Tameem]

What's the point arguing with them who can't even judge on neutral basis and then mix the emotion? See how easier it's for them to accuse Mujib of Agartala conspiracy but how many of them have you seen blaming those Bhutto and Yahya who broke two wings? They can't, probably this is the root cause that actually broke the then Pakistan....they don't open eyes.

Moreover, it wouldn't be possible ever to stay together..bad is it had gone through bloodshed.

Mr. everyone could have grievances even within family but no one conspires and went straight to enemies against their very own …..Does it?? We didn’t deny that Bengalis are sidelined in west Pakistanis establishment but at the first place they are military establishment not a democratic, instead of striving hard against them and taking on board the west Pakistani people as well somehow down the line, you and your leaders pick the easy route………and crossed the red line from starts!! What military establishment did finally in reply as every such govt does……..reciprocates in the same manner......Finish it by themselves!

 

[khair_ctg]

What's the point arguing with them who can't even judge on neutral basis and then mix the emotion? See how easier it's for them to accuse Mujib of Agartala conspiracy but how many of them have you seen blaming those Bhutto and Yahya who broke two wings? They can't, probably this is the root cause that actually broke the then Pakistan....they don't open eyes.

Moreover, it wouldn't be possible ever to stay together..bad is it had gone through bloodshed.

"they don't open [their] eyes".. ok then maybe we Bengalis had not yet grown a pair of eyes. i liked how kalu_mian gave the example of Czechs' and Slovaks' amicable separation. and moreover, you cannot absolutely reject the idea of one-country-two-wings and still babble on that West Pakistanis were responsible for the breakup. East and West Pakistan were already separated in 1947 - what a more sensible or a more skilled handling of the situation from both wings would have done was to prevent a roll over (physically and figuratively) of one of them by a hostile country, and to preserve the very constitution that marks the existence of that more unfortunate of the two wings

 

[kalu_miah]

What's the point arguing with them who can't even judge on neutral basis and then mix the emotion? See how easier it's for them to accuse Mujib of Agartala conspiracy but how many of them have you seen blaming those Bhutto and Yahya who broke two wings? They can't, probably this is the root cause that actually broke the then Pakistan....they don't open eyes.

Moreover, it wouldn't be possible ever to stay together..bad is it had gone through bloodshed.

Its not arguing for arguments sake, but presenting facts and points of view that stands up to scrutiny of sensible and knowledgeable people from all sides. This way we can clear up confusion created by propaganda. I am here to learn from all, not just to share my own point of view, provided that the argument presented makes logical sense and is backed up with some first hand evidence, such as experience recorded by people who were active in person in the war theater.

 

[kalu_miah]

@kalu_miah, Muslims can not ignore Ummah feelings, but it is important to understand the limitations of Ummah concept in current times.

The best that can be hoped for is the formation of a club of Muslim democracies for positive improvements in our part of the world. A small budget allocated to social uplift projects overseen by experienced parlimentarians can be a tentative start. This program can later be enlarged to include disaster relief, growth of mature political systems, and higher education. We can aim for something like EU, but not as binding with single currency and uniform policies. Defence cooperation can come last in this progression (like NATO) but only after models of conflict resolution are firmly in place. An organization that oversees all these efforts can elect its own leader with limited powers and checks & balances. Someone who leads by personal example and acts as an inspiration to Muslims.

Nothing good will come out of Gulf Arabs anytime soon. China has its own interests. Each country must focus on political maturity and cooperation with others to provide impetus to a movement that leads to the above scenario. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Malaysia, Iran, Indonesia, and other Muslim democracies can participate in just such a project. Arabs can join when and if they evolve politically.

Right now Bangladesh politics seems to be a mess. But it shall not stay that way for ever. Pakistan is also struggling. But whichever way you look at it, this is the only way we can all come together on a program of positive cooperation that does not evoke reaction, suspicion, and resistance from others.

Agree with most of your post, except for the role of GCC countries. I believe they can and will make a big difference, if all of us are mature about them. If powerful countries like USA, China and India can woo them to be in good terms with them, the collection of large Muslim countries should do the same. Iran of course will not take part in such efforts. And I do not believe Iran will work with the countries you have mentioned for their development, the track record of this regime since 1979 tells us a different story. GCC countries for many decades, as soon as they had surplus budget have been pillars of other Muslim countries, providing jobs and giving grant for development projects, while Iran did that since 1979, but only for people of their own sect.

 

[kalu_miah]

Didn't deputy speaker of BD assembly confused that Agrthala was true and they decided to part ways with Pakistan in 69

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...hat-does-mean-our-history-20.html#post4078659
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...hat-does-mean-our-history-19.html#post4076075
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...hat-does-mean-our-history-19.html#post4078513

The answer contains in the above thread, but the 3 posts above should give you a quick summary. The Deputy speaker idiot was lying.

 

[asad71]

1.Shawkat Ali was a supporter of Razzaq and had remained in BAKSAL after BAL was revived under Hasina. Later both Razzaq and he joined BAL. But Hasina hasn't forgiven him. She has found it convenient to use him. He has no support group/syndicate in BAL. While serving in the army, Minister Phani Bhushan was his mentor. That connection in BAL/BAKSAL had made him a powerful figure in pre-1975 BA.

2. Shawkat has been totally humiliated by SHW when she appointed a much junior non-elected women-quota MP as the Speaker bypassing him. He had to accept this ill-treatment because he is weak within BAL. But more important is his hope that SHW will allow his son to contest in his constituency next time.

 

[illusion8]

Gary Bass’ new book, “Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger and a Forgotten Genocide”, could not have been better timed. The book sets the record straight of a disgraceful period in US foreign policy. The complicity of former US President Richard Nixon and former US Secretary of State Dr. Henry Kissinger in the Pakistan army’s genocide in erstwhile East Pakistan in 1970-71 is described in brutal detail based on recently declassified material.


Former Bangladesh president Begum Khaleda Zia, widow of assassinated former President Ziaur Rahman, has intensified her campaign to oust Sheikh Hasina, daughter of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, founding father of Bangladesh, in the forthcoming January 2014 general election. Begum Khaleda Zia represents fundamentalist Islamist forces who hope to topple the pro-India Hasina government which has curbed jehadi terrorism directed at India from Bangladesh.


After Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s Awami League won a landslide victory in the 1970 Pakistan election, West Pakistan’s Punjabi-dominated army generals and politicians arrested him. Over five lakh East Pakistani Bengalis were massacred by the Pakistan army. Nearly 10 million became refugees. Whole villages in East Pakistan were burnt. The Hindu minority was the main target.


Millions fled to India. As The Economist writes: “Hindus, as a distinct minority, were chosen for annihilation and expulsion. At the behest of Mr Kissinger, Nixon sent military planes and other materiel to Pakistan, even though he knew this broke American law. He deployed an American naval task force to the Bay of Bengal to intimidate India, which had begun helping rebels in East Pakistan. Most extreme, he secretly asked China to send troops to India’s borders.


“Nixon and Mr Kissinger stood with Pakistan, even as they knew of the extent of the slaughter. Their own diplomats told them about it. The centerpiece of Mr Bass’s gripping and well-researched book is the story of how America’s most senior diplomat in East Pakistan,


Archer Blood, the consul-general in Dhaka, sent regular, detailed and accurate reports of the bloodshed. Early on he stated that a ‘selective genocide’ was under way.


“Blood and his colleagues protested that America should not support Pakistan’s rulers. Then, 20 of them sent a dissenting telegram (the ‘Blood telegram’ of the book’s title) condemning America’s policy.

It was an extreme and idealistic step for a diplomat, whose career was soon cut short. Though the telegram did not change American policy, it rates as an historic document. Such open dissent is extremely rare.


“Nixon, a man of few friends, was notably fond of Pakistan’s military ruler, Yahya Khan, a gruff, dim-witted, whisky-drinking general. By contrast he despised India’s wheedling civilian politicians, reserving a particular dislike for (Indira) Gandhi.”


Nixon stands disgraced over Watergate but his willful role in the genocide in East Pakistan had not till now received the full historical attention it deserved. Kissinger too has largely escaped opprobrium for turning a blind eye to the genocide. Bass quotes him as saying: “You can’t go to war over refugees.” Nixon, whose dislike for India was visceral, said a “mass famine” was needed to “cut Indians down to size”.


Kissinger shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for his mediation that brought the Vietnam war to an end. Through the 1980s, Kissinger was feted as a global statesman. His firm, Kissinger Associates, advised prime ministers and presidents. He charged, and was paid, a large fee to speak at summits and conclaves, including several in India.


His syndicated column was published in newspapers and magazines worldwide. We too were part of the Kissinger “industry”. Through this period, one of our media group’s publications,Gentleman,a literary and political monthly, published his column for nearly a decade along with columns by I.K. Gujral, Shashi Tharoor, L.K. Advani, Dom Moraes and others. It is a decision I now regret.


It was only years later that details trickled through about Kissinger’s role in the events preceding the Bangladesh war and his malign role in the war itself which ended in 13 days after the surrender of 90,000 Pakistan troops in East Pakistan.

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http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/headon/entry/blood-telegram-the-forgotten-genocide

 

[illusion8]

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Over five lakh East Pakistani Bengalis were massacred by the Pakistan army

No it was 3 million! lol...





After another decade bs figure will be as low as 30 thousand...

 

[illusion8]

No it was 3 million! lol...



After another decade bs figure will be as low as 30 thousand...

According to Pakistani's there was no genocide at all.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

According to Pakistani's there was no genocide at all.

There wasnt.. even many indians agree ... Sarmila Bose... "Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War"..

3 million >5 lac>30k....?

LMAO!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

oh realli then what is this

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no wonder pakistan is in such state cause "jo qume tareekh ko mask karti hain tareekh bhi unke saath wahi sulookh karti hai ..Hassn Nisar"

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