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14 dead in shooting at San Bernardino, Calif., center for disabled; 3 suspects on loose

And here i was feeling left out of all the drama going on around the world as a Pakistani.:close_tema::close_tema::close_tema:
 
To the world...this dichotomy is confusing. Non Muslims don't to know whom to believe. We would like to believe you, but the terrorists are making it hard for us to believe you.

Who should we blame? Isn't it getting harder for us to live? Where should we go? We are getting killed and getting bashed.
 
@GURU DUTT

How 'bout this :
Muslims are spread over many countries ( not the case as much with Hindis for instance ).
The average GDP per person is not even from one to another but lower than for say West.
A little less basics, a little less education, a little less health care but also on average …
a lot less democracy!
When you say that Muslims haven't done enough, you should remember that the average
Muslim in kingdoms has no say in pressuring opinion one way or another.
Pakistan is much closer to a standard republic from a westerner's point of view. KSA, not
so much! And kings can be benign or wise ( Jordan & Morocco ). Iran due to the presence
of the Revolutionary Council is an hybrid. In other places, the military plays the stabilizing role
that carries or secures the Fihq's protection. But I'm not sure all Bahrainis feel listened to??

In most discussions about Islam as the body of believers, people arguing forget the relative
helplessness of the average Muslim versus that of the vote yielding citizen in EU or USA.
As such any call made without adjusting for comparison is flawed IMHoO.
The voice of Muslims as individual is lesser internationally, it's a fact!

By the way, Christians as main inhabitants of Western Civ. couldn't vote in a unified block
either if required to do so. An anti-evolution Born Again type in the deep South has little in
common with a Swiss Lutherian, a French Catholic or an Orthodox, be him Greek or Russian!

Read you later, Tay.
 
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I do accept that Islam preaches peace.. But why does all sorts of nonsenses in all over the world happens in the name of Islam..? Is it that complicated a religion to understand for common man, that nobles could lure him to idiocy and make him die for the ideology.?
Massacre of Muslims in Myanmar at the hands of Buddhist terrorists...

Muslims and Christians dying at the hands of Hindu terrorists in India...

Bearded men (hipsters mostly) getting attacked in USA by Christian terrorists...

Where is Islam in this?

ISI may not be controlling them.

But this Farookhi was of Pakistani origin.
Samjhota Express terrorists were also Pakistani origin?
 
RIP to the victim...

The attack does not look like a terrorist attack, it does look prepared, judging from the weapon and equipment being use and the knowledge of the party.

What we know so far

2 Attacker shot dead by the police. One Syed Farook, and One Teshfeen Malik
14 dead, 17 injured
Attack had been carried out with Assault Rifle and Handgun, unknown if Title II firearms was involved.
One Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino county health department, the location of the attacks

The attacks is no doubt a planned attacks, but I doubt the attacker were terrorist related. At lease not with suicidal intention. The attacker wore mask (Ski mask) to conceal their identity and were seen dress up in combat fatigue (Would be interpreted as a disguise). Plus the attacker tried to get away instead of stay and cause maximum damage, all does not spell terrorist attacks.

The attacks, however, is pre-planned, from the execution of the attack to the high casualty rate and the reasonable connection between the shooter and the attacks. Suggested a pre-planed attack
 
Hope the world understand that no matter how many terrorist u kill if this mad ideology is not removed unfortunately we will continue witnessing this mad evil blood shed by those blinded by this stupidity..

Wat ideology does Hafiz Saeed follow is it not the same wahabi salafi shit

Relagion was not involve in this attack. A ex employee named sayed faruq carried out the attack for personal reason. A Muslim man attack doesnot make every Muslim or islam as crazy ideology.

How holy is the Saudi shit philosophy of wahabi and salafi version
 
Now pakistani's will be more on radar in US eyes.
 
Syed Rizwan Farook, 28 traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a wife, Tashfeen Malik, 27, later growing a beard both heavily armed dressed for battle as if they were on a mission.

What kind of name is Tashfeen ? Spelling mistake ? Is it Tahseen ?

Mumbai city has 18% muslim population and close 40 muslims were also slaughtered during the attack apart from 15 different nationalities by Pakistan sponsored terrorist.

That was staged by RAW. The whole incident does not make sense since what will Pakistan gain from attack in Mumbai or on Indian parliament. The only country that gained from those incidents were India that staged those incidents.
 
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People are jumping the gun too much here. It's likely religion wasn't a motive here but personal grievances with co workers.
 
Now pakistani's will be more on radar in US eyes.

Given almost all mass shootings are carried out by white Americans, is that particular group going to be under the under as well?
 
What you want us to do? We are suffering the most. First step is to stop arming or funding. And guess what? I'm not the one who's funding them. Are we too scared to tell USA and UK or (even if Saudi is also involved) to tell them stop it. Stop helping them to grow in large number. Why we are blamed for it? Aren't we citizens of USA and equal to everyone else. That's what the constitution says.


An absolutely beautiful and on point post.

as a legal US citizen, you are absolutely equal to any other US citizen under the constitution of the United States. No matter what your ethnic origins are. Amen!!!
 
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Very sad incident... Shooting disabled innocent children takes it to a whole new level. Wonder what form.of madness was going in his head. I mean how can you kill like this. It doesn't look to be a terrorist attack and it seems Isis , despite the cheer, have denied any hand in this....

What form of mad man and what form disagreement leads to this? Both husband and wife decided to create a massacre in a disabled center for children....
 
That was staged by RAW. The whole incident does not make sense since what will Pakistan gain from attack in Mumbai or on Indian parliament. The only country that gained from those incidents were India that staged those incidents.
You mean to say RAW killed 180 people and held India financial capital on siege for 3 days just to do malign the name of Pakistan. As though Pakistan reputation wasn't already down the drain.
 
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