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India today signed two contracts with Alstom France and GE, USA for supply of 12000 HP Electric locomotives (Alstom) and 6000 and 4500 HP HHP Diesel locomotives from General Electric USA.
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In boost for 'Make in India', railways inks pacts with Alstom and GE Transport
NEW DELHI: The first big 'Make in India' projects, worth Rs 40,000 crore, were kicked off on Monday evening when Ministry of Railways signed formal agreements with global giants Alstom and GE Transport to set up locomotive manufacturing factories in Madhepura and Marhaura in Bihar.
The glitzy function, attended by seven Cabinet ministers, including Finance Minister Arun Jaitley and Railway Minister Suresh Prabhu, brought out the significance of the agreements. It took almost a decade for the final contracts to be awarded from the day Lalu Yadav announced the two projects as railway minister. The tenders for the factories were floated and cancelled a dozen times during the period.
Ambassadors of US and France, Richard Verma and Francois Richier, were present as representatives of GE and Alstom signed the agreement with railway officials. JDU leader Sharad Yadav also attended the event, representing the government of Bihar.
Jaitley said it was a momentous occasion and a milestone for 'Make in India' as international majors made an entry into infrastructure creation in the country. "It is a winwin situation for all stakeholders. It will help in railways modernisation, boost economy of Bihar and create a favourable ecosystem for growth in the country," he said. Prabhu said with GM and Alstom coming into railways, it will create an atmosphere for manufacture of other items and ancillaries in the country. "'The SMEs will see a vertical and horizontal expansion. The spin-off benefits will be massive," he added.
GE Transport, as a joint venture with the railways, will manufacture 1,000 state-of-the-art diesel locos at Marhaura at a basic cost of Rs 14,656 crore in the next 11 years. Alstom will manufacture 800 electric locos in the same period at a cost of Rs 19.904 crore. Manufacturing and maintenance cost of both factories will be around Rs 40,000 crore.
In boost for 'Make in India', railways inks pacts with Alstom and GE Transport - The Economic Times
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This is how Indian version of Alstom's Prima 2 8 axle loco will look like.
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Alstom signs two major mainline contracts in India
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November 30

Alstom today signed two major contracts in India for a total amount of more than €3.7 billion. The first contract for the supply of 800 electric locomotives and associated maintenance, following a letter of award received on 9 November 2015, was signed with Indian Railways in the presence of Arun Jaitley, Finance Minister, Suresh Prabhakar Prabhu, Minister of Railways, Nirmala Sitharaman, Minister of State for Commerce and Industry, Manoj Sinha, Minister of State for Railways, Henri Poupart-Lafarge, Executive Vice President of Alstom, Dominique Pouliquen, Senior Vice President for Alstom Asia Pacific and Bharat Salhotra, Managing Director of Alstom India and South Asia. The second contract was signed with DFCCIL (Dedicated Freight Corridor Corporation of India Ltd.) and relates to the electrification, signalling and telecommunications system for a part of the eastern Dedicated Freight Corridor (DFC).

We are pleased to sign today these contracts which will play a crucial role in boosting India’s economy and infrastructure development while supporting the strong growth of Indian Railways. At Alstom, we are committed to addressing the ever-growing market in India by expanding our local footprint and bringing technological expertise and know-how to the country” said Dominique Pouliquen.

The first contract will supply Indian Railways with 800 electric locomotives and associated long-term maintenance [2]. The locomotives belong to Alstom’s Prima range. They will be 9,000 kW at the wheel rim and will run at speeds of up to 120 km/h. Alstom will invest around €200 million in the project, which will be executed by a recently formed JV in which Alstom and Indian Railways respectively hold a 74% and 26% stake. The scope of the project includes the set-up of a manufacturing plant at Madhepura (Bihar state) where most of the locomotives will be assembled. The delivery of the locomotives will take place between 2018 and 2028. The project also includes the set-up of two maintenance depots at Saharanpur (Uttar Pradesh state) and Nagpur (Maharashtra state).

The second contract, worth over €200 million, will provide the electrification, signalling [3] and telecommunications system for the 343-kilometre-long eastern portion of the Dedicated Freight Corridor, a major government-led project to build eastern and western freight corridors [4] across the country, expected to be completed by 2019. As part of the contract, Alstom will also build the stations and provide the control centre.

Both projects will allow faster, safer and heavier freight trains to move across the country, thereby reducing congestion for passenger train services and freight. They will be handled by Alstom in India with the support of Alstom’s sites expertise in France.

Alstom has several sites in India including a signalling, telecoms and train engineering unit in Bangalore, a metro manufacturing facility in Sri City and a traction systems manufacturing unit in Coimbatore. Alstom has strong references in India in the urban segment for cities like Delhi, Bangalore, Jaipur, Chennai, Kochi and Lucknow.
Alstom signs two major mainline contracts in India | Think Railways
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GE's 6000 HP diesel behemoth.

@Ankit Kumar @Rain Man @gslv mk3 @Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

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hi @anant_s

if they 9000kw and 12000Kw why the speed of these train are slow.
also what are the maximum speed of Alstom's Prima 2
Hi Shudhirji,
The locomotive power rating is 9000 Kw or 12000 HP.
This locomotive is a freight version and in all probability it will not run at more than 75-80 kph. The top speed mentioned is 120 kph. this is achieved by changing the gearing. the same locomotive can go upto 200 kph in its Passenger service version.
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India today signed two contracts with Alstom France and GE, USA for supply of 12000 HP Electric locomotives (Alstom) and 6000 and 4500 HP HHP Diesel locomotives from General Electric USA.
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In boost for 'Make in India', railways inks pacts with Alstom and GE Transport
NEW DELHI: The first big 'Make in India' projects, worth Rs 40,000 crore, were kicked off on Monday evening when Ministry of Railways signed formal agreements with global giants Alstom and GE Transport to set up locomotive manufacturing factories in Madhepura and Marhaura in Bihar.
The glitzy function, attended by seven Cabinet ministers, including Finance Minister Arun Jaitley and Railway Minister Suresh Prabhu, brought out the significance of the agreements. It took almost a decade for the final contracts to be awarded from the day Lalu Yadav announced the two projects as railway minister. The tenders for the factories were floated and cancelled a dozen times during the period.
Ambassadors of US and France, Richard Verma and Francois Richier, were present as representatives of GE and Alstom signed the agreement with railway officials. JDU leader Sharad Yadav also attended the event, representing the government of Bihar.
Jaitley said it was a momentous occasion and a milestone for 'Make in India' as international majors made an entry into infrastructure creation in the country. "It is a winwin situation for all stakeholders. It will help in railways modernisation, boost economy of Bihar and create a favourable ecosystem for growth in the country," he said. Prabhu said with GM and Alstom coming into railways, it will create an atmosphere for manufacture of other items and ancillaries in the country. "'The SMEs will see a vertical and horizontal expansion. The spin-off benefits will be massive," he added.
GE Transport, as a joint venture with the railways, will manufacture 1,000 state-of-the-art diesel locos at Marhaura at a basic cost of Rs 14,656 crore in the next 11 years. Alstom will manufacture 800 electric locos in the same period at a cost of Rs 19.904 crore. Manufacturing and maintenance cost of both factories will be around Rs 40,000 crore.
In boost for 'Make in India', railways inks pacts with Alstom and GE Transport - The Economic Times
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This is how Indian version of Alstom's Prima 2 8 axle loco will look like.
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Alstom signs two major mainline contracts in India
Photo-loco-Alstom_800px-680x365_c.jpg

November 30

Alstom today signed two major contracts in India for a total amount of more than €3.7 billion. The first contract for the supply of 800 electric locomotives and associated maintenance, following a letter of award received on 9 November 2015, was signed with Indian Railways in the presence of Arun Jaitley, Finance Minister, Suresh Prabhakar Prabhu, Minister of Railways, Nirmala Sitharaman, Minister of State for Commerce and Industry, Manoj Sinha, Minister of State for Railways, Henri Poupart-Lafarge, Executive Vice President of Alstom, Dominique Pouliquen, Senior Vice President for Alstom Asia Pacific and Bharat Salhotra, Managing Director of Alstom India and South Asia. The second contract was signed with DFCCIL (Dedicated Freight Corridor Corporation of India Ltd.) and relates to the electrification, signalling and telecommunications system for a part of the eastern Dedicated Freight Corridor (DFC).

We are pleased to sign today these contracts which will play a crucial role in boosting India’s economy and infrastructure development while supporting the strong growth of Indian Railways. At Alstom, we are committed to addressing the ever-growing market in India by expanding our local footprint and bringing technological expertise and know-how to the country” said Dominique Pouliquen.

The first contract will supply Indian Railways with 800 electric locomotives and associated long-term maintenance [2]. The locomotives belong to Alstom’s Prima range. They will be 9,000 kW at the wheel rim and will run at speeds of up to 120 km/h. Alstom will invest around €200 million in the project, which will be executed by a recently formed JV in which Alstom and Indian Railways respectively hold a 74% and 26% stake. The scope of the project includes the set-up of a manufacturing plant at Madhepura (Bihar state) where most of the locomotives will be assembled. The delivery of the locomotives will take place between 2018 and 2028. The project also includes the set-up of two maintenance depots at Saharanpur (Uttar Pradesh state) and Nagpur (Maharashtra state).

The second contract, worth over €200 million, will provide the electrification, signalling [3] and telecommunications system for the 343-kilometre-long eastern portion of the Dedicated Freight Corridor, a major government-led project to build eastern and western freight corridors [4] across the country, expected to be completed by 2019. As part of the contract, Alstom will also build the stations and provide the control centre.

Both projects will allow faster, safer and heavier freight trains to move across the country, thereby reducing congestion for passenger train services and freight. They will be handled by Alstom in India with the support of Alstom’s sites expertise in France.

Alstom has several sites in India including a signalling, telecoms and train engineering unit in Bangalore, a metro manufacturing facility in Sri City and a traction systems manufacturing unit in Coimbatore. Alstom has strong references in India in the urban segment for cities like Delhi, Bangalore, Jaipur, Chennai, Kochi and Lucknow.
Alstom signs two major mainline contracts in India | Think Railways
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GE's 6000 HP diesel behemoth.

@Ankit Kumar @Rain Man @gslv mk3 @Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

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Great stuff !!

@anant_s any news on the Japense 9000HP freight trains for the Western DFC, i think there is to be 200 of them, any ideas on the type?
 
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Hi Shudhirji,
The locomotive power rating is 9000 Kw or 12000 HP.
This locomotive is a freight version and in all probability it will not run at more than 75-80 kph. The top speed mentioned is 120 kph. this is achieved by changing the gearing. the same locomotive can go upto 200 kph in its Passenger service version.
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Hi @anant_s
but i think Prima 2 is for passenger service not for freight. But any how if it can go beyond 200 - 250 kmh for passenger it will be really good. Railway need to upgrade the speed of there train so they can reach on time.
and what abut the advisability are they can run in extreme folk or dark condition as the winter start in the north the advisability will be very low
 
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Hi @anant_s
but i think Prima 2 is for passenger service not for freight. But any how if it can go beyond 200 - 250 kmh for passenger it will be really good. Railway need to upgrade the speed of there train so they can reach on time.
and what abut the advisability are they can run in extreme folk or dark condition as the winter start in the north the advisability will be very low
Not really. Prima 2 is conceived in same manner as its peers Eurosprinter and TRAXX locomotives to work on different voltage systems (25 kV 50 HZ AC, 15 kV 16.67 Hz AC and 1500 V DC) to suit almost all major European networks. It is also designed to work on different services such as Very Heavy Freight, Heavy Freight and Passenger Version as you can see from the pic i posted above.
The major change that comes is slightly different power output (necessitating small changes in main transformer, bogie gear boxes and traction software that runs these locos. Most other components such as IGBT drives, frame etc is almost identical making it a good prospect for operator to use same platform in different services.
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We had a discussion sometime back that if this loco platform succeeds in India, it will not be very difficult to configure it for passenger service locomotive having 4 axles (Bo-Bo).
Great stuff !!

@anant_s any news on the Japense 9000HP freight trains for the Western DFC, i think there is to be 200 of them, any ideas on the type?
Not much is known except that it is based on Toshiba EL 96 series locomotive and has 6 axle (Co-Co) design.
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In all possibility this locomotive will be very similar to China Railways HXd 3 locomotive.
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Hi Shudhirji,
The locomotive power rating is 9000 Kw or 12000 HP.
This locomotive is a freight version and in all probability it will not run at more than 75-80 kph. The top speed mentioned is 120 kph. this is achieved by changing the gearing. the same locomotive can go upto 200 kph in its Passenger service version.
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How feasible is loco front and loco rear arrangement for our DFC goods train and passenger trains-

Push–pull train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Having such arrangements can save a lot of time at route changing Junctions where It takes 20-30min for changing the position of locos-
 
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How feasible is loco front and loco rear arrangement for our DFC goods train and passenger trains-

Push–pull train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Having such arrangements can save a lot of time at route changing Junctions where It takes 20-30min for changing the position of locos-
don't think its going to help much for long distance service ( either freight or goods) as there isn't much of reversing.
the concept is suitable for relatively short distance quick services like inter city trains and EMUs.
 
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ZDM 3A

Not so powerful but yet so majestic.
Credits in the pic.
I've had an opportunity to travel on this NG line (Gondia Balaghat) many years back. old world charm unfortunately the line is now closed for BG conversion.
 
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Some old pictures of Indian Railways.
Rajdhani Express in 80s (pictures from publicity brochures) .
First AC Coach
(Notice Limca and Thumbs up bottles8-))
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Dinner Service
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AC Chair Car (Rajdhani Express)
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The ticket
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Shatabdi Express (New Delhi Jhansi).

the train was introduced in 1988 (Birth Centenary year of India's first PM Pt. Jawahar lal Nehru and hence the name). The train was later extended upto Bhopal after completion of electrification and recently till Habibganj. It is the fastest train in India. It was hauled by a WAP 3 (initially classified WAP 1 FM 3) and now by a WAP 5. The train does 100mph between New Delhi and Agra Cantt.
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First WAP 1 locomotive (22000). The loco was used exclusively for New Delhi Howrah (Calcutta ) Rajdhani Express.
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@AndrewJin
 
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Some old pictures of Indian Railways.
Rajdhani Express in 80s (pictures from publicity brochures) .
First AC Coach
(Notice Limca and Thumbs up bottles8-))View attachment 277713
Dinner Service
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AC Chair Car (Rajdhani Express)
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The ticket
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Shatabdi Express (New Delhi Jhansi).

the train was introduced in 1988 (Birth Centenary year of India's first PM Pt. Jawahar lal Nehru and hence the name). The train was later extended upto Bhopal after completion of electrification and recently till Habibganj. It is the fastest train in India. It was hauled by a WAP 3 (initially classified WAP 1 FM 3) and now by a WAP 5. The train does 100mph between New Delhi and Agra Cantt.
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First WAP 1 locomotive (22000). The loco was used exclusively for New Delhi Howrah (Calcutta ) Rajdhani Express.
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@AndrewJin
Thanks for tagging me, learned some new knowledge of IR.
Broad gauge railways really have larger cars!
What does Shatabdi mean in Hindi? How about Rajdhani?
I have taken 10Gb photos and videos today on my way from Wuhan to Shanghai.
Gonna upload some when I am free, then tag you.:-)
 
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