11 Feb '13: Pakistan conducts test fires of two Hatf-IX Nasr BRBMs

[Hyperion]

For the gazillionth time. ABM = Anti Ballistic Missile

So for what India is developing the ABM and importing state of art radars?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

No, Nuking Civilian population centers does not make sense..

why do Nuclear capable countries have bombs that are 10 to 100 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan ?

why should making and dropping a nuke should make sense at all?

sense... a rare earth commodity that is becoming extinct as our weapons become smarter and deadlier.

 

[Armstrong]

No, Nuking Civilian population centers does not make sense..unless Pakistan has big nuclear stockpile stored amidst population centers which can not be taken by precision strikes.

A preemptive strike is designed to be decapitating strike ..to take out or severely restrict Pakistan launch capabilities.

Objectively seeing..the foremost aim of Indian leadership after initial Pakistani nuclear strike, will be to minimize further Indian losses..at same time punishing Pakistan for using nuclear weapons.

The only way both these objectives are met are by carrying out precision strikes against know launch sites or if accurate position of these weapons sites is not known..then carry out wider area nuclear strikes to decapitate Pakistani nuclear launch capabilities.

But that isn't going to achieve anything ? Taking out known Pakistani Nuclear Sites doesn't factor in the Unknown Pakistani Nuclear sites, the Mobile Launchers, the Air-Launched Nukes, the Sea-Launched & the possible future sub-surface Launched Nukes ! Even if we're left with 5-10 nukes after your preemptive strike thats more than enough to kill tens of millions of Indians.

That is why I reiterate that Tactical Nukes & the mobility that they've provided including the mobility of our SRBMs & MRBMs platforms ensures that there is no large scale conflict between India & Pakistan. At best we're looking at proxy wars being fought between the two (as some quarters suggest that is already true) at worst we're looking at a small border skirmish that would even pale in comparison to Kargil with a stand-off being somewhere in the middle !

No one is going to mobilize entire corps & cross over into the other's territory because mutually assured destruction has just been devolved to the divisional level on both sides.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I feel that this Nasr does NOT provide any great capabilities that Pakistan does not have!

Double Negation
A double negative occurs when two forms of negation are used in the same sentence


so its imperative that you are saying

"I feel that this Nasr does provide any great capabilities that Pakistan does ]have"

 

[Rocky25]

Okay keep your line and tell me what some very short time India could achieve? And what would it do which wouldn't offend Pakistan but still get India "something" ? Just want to know what possibly you see as the "gain" of this very quick and very cold start doctrine?

The way I see, Nasr nullifies possibility of India attacking Pakistan with Mechanized Division and "cutting it in two-halves" as they always dreamed off. Now all you are left with is air-support and Osama kind of operation - BUT - who are you going to do that against and what in terms of strategic gains are you going to pull-off ?

Read 'Cold Start' Doctrine which India developed after 2002 stand-off which took 1 month to get the troops near Pakistani border!

Nasr does not nullify anything... If there is NO Pakistani Army and Pakistani Tanks which stops the incoming Indian Division... There is NO need for Army at all! Just with Nasr, you can fight a war! When both armies are fighting at close proximity then you(At least we will NOT) cannot fire a nuke at that area!

Can same be said for brahmos? It carries non conventional warhead!

I don't understand your question. Anyways it is the speed that makes the Brahmos special... Without that it is NOTHING!

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Double Negation
A double negative occurs when two forms of negation are used in the same sentence


so its imperative that you are saying

Please read and reply to post #37 of this thread

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Junior Think Tub - More like a Plastic Lotaa !

please edit your post
its done in bad taste

he should be the last person you should target

 

[Armstrong]

please edit your post
its done in bad taste

he should be the last person you should target

Irfan Bhai, hes my friend..he knows I'm just kidding with him !

But okay I will.

 

[ares]

why do Nuclear capable countries have bombs that are 10 to 100 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan ?

why should making and dropping a nuke should make sense at all?



sense... a rare earth commodity that is becoming extinct as our weapons become smarter and deadlier.

It does not..that is why these mental exercises have remained a 'mental' excersise after the first two bombs were dropped.

 

[KRAIT]

Koi toffee to nahin hai kay "world will take away their nukes"?
Yara, @KRAIT kabhi kabhi tumm bhee 'Think Tank' kee jagah "Think Tub" bann jatay ho. Woh bhe Junior, yani kay, chota wala tub.

Well people thought that Soviet Russia was invinvible and its nukes will keep it safe. What happened ? The broke into pieces. Their population decreased.

Now imagine if you use one Nuke, what will world do ? Iran, North Korea is a good example before you.

Buddy, things are much complicated. US invaded Iraq over So called WMD and no one came to rescue Saddam. And here I am talking about Tactical Nukes.

Propaganda against Pakistan is already increasing. All you have to do is consider various scenarios.

The non-linearity of events and Chaotic dynamics of Conflict situation is a special branch in Mathematical modeling. Read about it.

 

[Rocky25]

Why would Indian Armored Divisions be thrusting at many areas on the Pakistani border with us being oblivious to it ?

Can't you understand what the tactical nukes bring to the table - No thrusting, no attacking each other, no large scale mobilization - No nothing of the sort !

We could take out your FOBs before you'd cross into Pakistan & vice versa for Indian taking out our FOBs - This is what the deterrent is all about !

Ada Rama! Rama.... For Pakistani nukes... India developed Cold Start... For Indian cold start... Pakistan developed Nasr... Cold start means India should amass troops and do quick trust! In matter of hours!

This goes in vicious circles! So if Indian penetrates with great speed... Then Nasr is worthless... If India cannot penetrate with speed then cold start is worthless!

 

[Hyperion]

Layman introduction to basics of Nuclear Energy by Hypey:

Neutron bomb is nothing other than a normal thermonuclear bomb (not exactly thermonuclear, however for ease of your understanding), where instead of reflecting the neutrons towards the core for a thermonuclear detonation (stage two) they are allowed to escape outwards when part two of the core goes critical.

Maximum damage to human life, minimal damage to infrastructure. (Fast Neutrons > Explosive Pack)

One the other hand if you focus the same neutrons towards core number two, you get a thermonuclear weapon. Addtionally if you add tritium/deuterium to it @ core center, you get a boosted thermonuclear device. Where the word boosted refers to extra punch derived from the same core volume.

does neutron bomb has any radiation effect as well?

can a neutron bomb be miniaturized to fit into nasr?

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Can same be said for brahmos? It carries non conventional warhead!

Wrong..................

 

[Rocky25]

he is just worried much and not making any sense

he wants us to say that we will not use this missile if India does the cold start.
some people call is Jalab lugna.. thats what is happening with the chap

Am I not making sense? oops.... I don't understand how can you use nukes in the same area where your troops are fighting from heaven to earth!

For the gazillionth time. ABM = Anti Ballistic Missile

Yes, for the second time, see for what I had replied!

 

[Hyperion]

I studied Chaos Theory from one of the most eminent mathematicians out there, incidentally, he was also an Indian (Sikh). He used to be faculty chair @ University of Florida - Gainesville.

Well people thought that Soviet Russia was invinvible and its nukes will keep it safe. What happened ? The broke into pieces. Their population decreased.

Now imagine if you use one Nuke, what will world do ? Iran, North Korea is a good example before you.

Buddy, things are much complicated. US invaded Iraq over So called WMD and no one came to rescue Saddam. And here I am talking about Tactical Nukes.

Propaganda against Pakistan is already increasing. All you have to do is consider various scenarios.

The non-linearity of events and Chaotic dynamics of Conflict situation is a special branch in Mathematical modeling. Read about it.