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The so called patan nagar is inside Indian territory. The fact that Pakistanis managed to cross international border and came to Khem karan is a prove that your claim victory is bogus.

As for battle of burki. It is a small town right next to Indian border. Raja aziz bhatti successfully defended Lahore which was the primary and basic aim. If conquering a small border village like Burki is some victory then I can only laugh at you and your military. :lol:

When they conveniently forget reality;

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Result;

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This was the largest tank battle after the battle of Kursk.
 
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The so called patan nagar is inside Indian territory. The fact that Pakistanis managed to cross international border and came to Khem karan is a prove that your claim victory is bogus.

As for battle of burki. It is a small town right next to Indian border. Raja aziz bhatti successfully defended Lahore which was the primary and basic aim. If conquering a small border village like Burki is some victory then I can only laugh at you and your military. :lol:

See how much territory you lost

Raja aziz bhatti i died defending burki which you calling small village burki

It shows how you respect your matyr s

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You lost 518 KM2 before final halt chiwinda
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_Front
 
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dont reply to him..he like most of his countrymen suffer from Cognitive dissonance

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India was at the verge of loosing Amritsar and Panjab as a whole in 65.. Do you want me to quote you books by your own GOCs incharge.

You might even have had the command of General Malik not been changed during the war a strategic mistake and the ceasefire itself..

By the end of the war india had lost quarter of her airforce aswell... And solo Bombers were buzzing and doing sonic bombs over your capital..
 
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See how much territory you lost

Raja aziz bhatti in was different died defending burki which you calling small village

It shows how you respect your matyr s

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You lost 518 KM2 before final halt chiwinda
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_Front

Nobody is disrespecting Raja Aziz. He was a lion who defended his country unlike General Niranjan
Parsad who ran away.

But the fact is that Burki is a small border village that is present right next to Indian border. Its capture is not victory for an invader who enjoys complete numerical superiority.

As for Chawinda. All your advance came within 48 hours of the invasion. After battle of Chawinda your invasion was halted for next 9-10 days you couldn't move forward.

Even Indian journalist Shekhar Gupta accepted that your invasion of Sialkot was not moving any forward till the end of war.

In the other sector, Sialkot, where India committed its sword-arm, the 1 Armoured Division, fighting was intense but really a thoughtless "slogging match". By far the fi nest account on the Indian side has been written by late Lt Gen Harbaksh Singh who, as GOC-in-C of the Western Command, led almost the entire war. It is also the most searingly honest. He says in the conclusion of his book War Despatches (page 214) that "we did a lot of mutual back-thumping an objective assessment would have been frowned upon as unpatriotic". But "when dust settled...and stripped of the aura of sensation", he said, particularly of his main assault forces, "exaltation gave way to disillusionment".

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...tual-incompetence-shekhar-gupta/1/450369.html
 
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India was at the verge of loosing Amritsar and Panjab in 65.. Do you want me to quote you books by your own GOCs incharge.
there is a difference between verge of loosing & actual loosing & loss at assal uttar ended all hopes & gained territory for enemy but here the fact india still holding territory in sialkot sector after 3 month of ceasifire in pakistan punjab returning it after tashkent.
 
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there is a difference between verge of loosing & actual loosing & loss at assal uttar ended all hopes & gained territory for enemy but here the fact india still holding territory in sialkot sector after 3 month of ceasifire in pakistan punjab returning it after tashkent.

There is a difference between begging for a ceasefire in Tashkent aswell..

You have only one "utar asal" to boast of in the entire war which cost you quarter of your airforce double the number of tanks and arty and the threat of losing your entire province... Had it been the other case you wanted have begging for a ceasefire. Neither would have shashtri died of a heart attack.
 
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Nobody is disrespecting Raja Aziz. He was a lion who defended his country unlike General Niranjan
Parsad who ran away.

But the fact is that Burki is a small border village that is present right next to Indian border. Its capture is not victory for an invader who enjoys complete numerical superiority.

As for Chawinda. All your advance came within 48 hours of the invasion. After battle of Chawinda your invasion was halted for next 9-10 days you couldn't move forward.

Even Indian journalist Shekhar Gupta accepted that your invasion of Sialkot was not moving any forward till the end of war.

It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2(180 sq mi) of the Sialkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front.


  1. India Won 3 Tank battles out of Four Major tank Battles in 1965
  2. Battle of Assal uttar (KhemKaran)
  3. Battle of Phillora
  4. Battle of Burki
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1)Battle of Chawinda(Although they already Lost
Over 518 km2 (218 mi2) of territory lost )


There is a difference between begging for a ceasefire in Tashkent aswell..

You have only one "utar asal" to boast of in the entire war which cost you quarter of your airforce double the number of tanks and arty and the threat of losing your entire province... Had it been the other case you wanted have begging for a ceasefire. Neither would have shashtri died of a heart attack.
After the war, a total of 16 battle honours and 3 theatre honours were awarded to units of the Indian Army, the notable amongst which are: Jammu and Kashmir 1965 (theatre honour) Punjab 1965 (theatre honour) Rajasthan 1965 (theatre honour) Assal Uttar Burki Dograi Hajipir Kalidhar OP Hill Phillora

See the Declaration Child See how Much You Terrority Lost

you Lost 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2(180 sq mi) of the Sialkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front.

Stated Launching Op Gibraltar Attacked Taking Kashmir
End up Defending Lahore :lol:

Yeah you won
 
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This was the largest tank battle after the battle of Kursk.
great victory indeed india still holding more than 500 sq km in sialkot after battle :D
There is a difference between begging for a ceasefire in Tashkent aswell..

You have only one "utar asal" to boast of in the entire war which cost you quarter of your airforce double the number of tanks and arty and the threat of losing your entire province... Had it been the other case you wanted have begging for a ceasefire. Neither would have shashtri died of a heart attack.
india is a begger now happy :D...now lets stay on topic before i get banned
 
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News paper Articles Hhaha
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Since you mentioned capturing "Burki" a border village on wahga border .. Here is the aftermath ;

This jeep belonged to the Indian GOC commanding Lahore sector .. General Prasad who left his jeep and radio and maps for Pak.. He was found in sugarcane fields hiding with his ranks stripped and face darkened after the counter attack by Pak;

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Some other memorabilia.. You left;

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great victory indeed india still holding more than 500 sq km in sialkot after battle :D

india is a begger now happy :D...now lets stay on topic before i get banned
I Can Post Countless Images

They claim they destroyed 100 Indian Tanks Of India

But all they have in there Archives is
Single Picture of Single Chieftain tank

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And News Paper cutting to show they Won battle

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great victory indeed india still holding more than 500 sq km in sialkot after battle :D

india is a begger now happy :D...now lets stay on topic before i get banned



"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:


In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.
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Last pic is of longewala after its capture.


I Can Post Countless Images

They claim they destroyed 100 Indian Tanks Of India

But all they have in there Archives is
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And News Paper cutting to show they Won battle

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Enjoy puttar.. The quotes are from your own generals and international observers.
 

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Since you mentioned capturing "Burki" a border village on wahga border .. Here is the aftermath ;

This jeep belonged to the Indian GOC commanding Lahore sector .. General Prasad who left his jeep and radio and maps for Pak.. He was found in sugarcane fields hiding with his ranks stripped and face darkened after the counter attack by Pak;

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Some other memorabilia.. You left;

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Single Chieftain tank :rofl:

See this Tanks And Tanks where Ever you see


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A knocked out Pak Army tank in the Phillora Sector in Pakistan, being inspected by Indian Jawans.

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Mighty SSG Commandos :lol:

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The Taste of Defeat

The superiority of Pakistan's western aid armament could not match the skill & valour of the Indian jawans. In this image the bodies of Pak Army soldiers lie in front of a captured Pakistani Sherman tank.

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Who crossed international border and started full scale war?

India


Who claimed

What was India's objective?

To capture main Pakistani cities near border to humiliate Pakistan

What was the outcome?

India failed in its objectives

So didn't India lose the war ?

Lol, and Op Gibraltar had nothing to do with all this ? Indian objective was to grab as much Pakistani land as possible as retaliation until someone brokers a ceasefire.

Here are some neutral assessments. References are given in wikipedia article

. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

  • Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[117]
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

  • In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[118] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

  • In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[8]
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2(250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2(150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

  • Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[120]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

  • "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[9]
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

  • An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[121]
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

  • English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[122]
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

  • Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[123]
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.
 
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