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$100 Billion Chinese-made city near Singapore ‘scares everybody’

Whether China like it or not, Singapore is going to do whatever for its own interest. Likewise, China should too.

The development of Melaka Gateway is in the interest of Malaysia and China. This project will bring jobs to the Malaysian and Chinese alike, further developments for the Malacca region, and competition and security for this whole strait.

According to the Strait Times, it seems the Singaporians really doesn't like or afraid of this development.
 
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Of cos, you are selective choosing your data to present what you want to present to readers for your agenda.

https://www.wionews.com/world/thousands-attend-pro-beijing-rally-in-hong-kong-8747

What has HongKonger do to mainland China?

Even Taiwan has soften their stance towards mainland China and more away from their newly elected Taiwanese president stance. Taiwan president so far has no say anything about isolating from mainland China.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/chin...an-tourism-suffering-amid-one-china-spat.html

Singapore is playing with fire and its policy is control solely by Lee family and not the majority wish.

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Singapore is controlled by the Lee Dynasty 李朝.

But then again, Im a Lee myself:D

For this the Chinese must ask themselves. Singapore as a nation state has been built on the basis of support of pax britannia, and then later pax americana. It cherishes an ideological and support system revolving around the current status quo.

China was not there to help Singapore or Singaporeans when they were in trouble.

China only threatens to upset the apple cart that the Singaporeans have known for decades.


As I say, for China to thrive, it must understand the intricacies of soft power. China is zero at soft power.



Lol. He needs no affirmation, especially not from you, for his Chinese roots.

That Chinese have defied and betrayed China is not a new thing. Look no further than Hong Kong, and Taiwan for the current versions of major treacheries in play.

Or you want to say that Hongkongers and Taiwanese are also not Chinese?

PS- Coming to what I said before, China needs to learn the arts of soft power before being able to do anything.

Babbling nonsensical China-bashing rhertorics as usual just because some of the posts here seems to fit in with your personal anti-Chinese agenda

How is their democracy is a sham when regular elections are held, and the result of those elections determine executive posts?

What about their civil rights? They seem to have quite a high degree of freedom of expression and other basic civil liberties.


See, China has to worry not only about US. It has to worry about the west (US + Europe + Canada + Australia) and Japan+India.

This is due to unique place of China in world affairs, isolated due to ideology and political system.

To trump them all, China must compete against NOT US, but the west+Japan+India.

Right now, all indications seem to suggest that China is not doing that. It is decreasing its population! There is a limit to how much a single individual will be able to give in terms of economic output.

U know shiit about the atual reality in Singapore to say all these.
 
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It is so disappointing that Singapore (despite largely being a part of the Sinosphere) is acting like they need the U.S in the region. The Japanese massacred hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese in Singapore during ww2 with a young Lee Kuan Yew barely escaping. Yet they have a hostile and condescending attitude towards the mainland Chinese from whence they are descended and have cordial relations with Japan.

@Lux de Veritas

Where are you? We need colorful people in theses forums and would like your Singaporean input here.

To understand Singapore's Behavior from Chinese perspective, it is important to distinguish Chinese and Chinese descendants. The founding father of Singapore, Li Guangyao 李光耀, is English culturally, just happen to have excellent understanding of China. English is the First Language, and Chinese is optional in Singapore, it did this intentionally. Singapore do not want to be in Sino-sphere. As a tiny country with excellent economy, it want to be as the voice of ASEAN. if it pegs to China, it won't get it because China is too close, places like Kunming or Nanning want to pivot to ASEAN.
But ASEAN countries does not like Singapore that much (you may check the history). The construction of Malaka gateway Port is an excellent move strategically, and Singapore government cannot say anything officially besides some murmuring by newspaper!
 
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My Singaporean colleagues were talking about this project, many of them lamented that SG shld be kept neutral in this Great Game, least they become "collateral damage", I guess their fears have come true.. Time for SG leadership to wise up!
 
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The new port hardly gives SG serious impacts in 20 years. In recent years, the global commercial shipping business are declining, for examples, Hanjin declared bankrupt two month ago. Singapore is prepared to envolve, when it meet challenges from mainland it can learn some experiences from Hongkong, haha
 
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BLOOMBERG NEWS NOVEMBER 22, 2016
This article was written by Pooja Thakur Mahrotri and En Han Choong. It appeared first on the Bloomberg Terminal.

The landscaped lawns and flowering shrubs of Country Garden Holdings Co.’s huge property showroom in southern Malaysia end abruptly at a small wire fence. Beyond, a desert of dirt stretches into the distance, filled with cranes and piling towers that the Chinese developer is using to build a $100 billion city in the sea.

While Chinese home buyers have sent prices soaring from Vancouver to Sydney, in this corner of Southeast Asia it’s China’s developers that are swamping the market, pushing prices lower with a glut of hundreds of thousands of new homes. They’re betting that the city of Johor Bahru, bordering Singapore, will eventually become the next Shenzhen.

“These Chinese players build by the thousands at one go, and they scare the hell out of everybody,” said Siva Shanker, head of investments at Axis-REIT Managers Bhd. and a former president of the Malaysian Institute of Estate Agents. “God only knows who is going to buy all these units, and when it’s completed, the bigger question is, who is going to stay in them?”

The Chinese companies have come to Malaysia as growth in many of their home cities is slowing, forcing some of the world’s biggest builders to look abroad to keep erecting the giant residential complexes that sprouted across China during the boom years. They found a prime spot in this special economic zone, three times the size of Singapore, on the southern tip of the Asian mainland.

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Photographer: Ore Huiying/Bloomberg
The scale of the projects is dizzying. Country Garden’s Forest City, on four artificial islands, will house 700,000 people on an area four times the size of New York’s Central Park. It will have office towers, parks, hotels, shopping malls and an international school, all draped with greenery. Construction began in February and about 8,000 apartments have been sold, the company said.

It’s the biggest of about 60 projects in the Iskandar Malaysia zone around Johor Bahru, known as JB, that could add more than half-a-million homes. The influx has contributed to a drop of almost one-third in the value of residential sales in the state last year, with some developers offering discounts of 20 percent or more. Average resale prices per square foot for high-rise flats in JB fell 10 percent last year, according to property consultant CH Williams Talhar & Wong.

Country Garden, which has partnered with the investment arm of Johor state, launched another waterfront project down the coast in 2013 called Danga Bay, where it has sold all 9,539 apartments. China state-owned Greenland Group is building office towers, apartments and shops on 128 acres in Tebrau, about 20 minutes from the city center. Guangzhou R&F Properties Co. has begun construction on the first phase of Princess Cove, with about 3,000 homes.

Country Garden said in an e-mail it was “optimistic on the outlook of Forest City” because of the region’s growing economy and location next to Singapore. R&F didn’t respond to questions about the effects of so many new units and Greenland declined to comment.

Singapore draw

“The Chinese are attracted by lower prices and the proximity to Singapore,” said Alice Tan, Singapore-based head of consultancy and research at real-estate brokers Knight Frank LLP. “It remains to be seen if the upcoming supply of homes can be absorbed in the next five years.”

The influx of Chinese competition has affected local developers like UEM Sunrise Bhd., Sunway Bhd. and SP Setia Bhd., who have been building projects around JB for years as part of a government plan to promote the area. First-half profit slumped 58 percent at UEM, the largest landowner in JB.

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A decade ago, Malaysia decided to leverage Singapore’s success by building the Iskandar zone across the causeway that connects the two countries. It was modeled on Shenzhen, the neighbor of Hong Kong that grew from a fishing village to a city of 10 million people in three decades. Malaysian sovereign fund Khazanah Nasional Bhd. unveiled a 20-year plan in 2006 that required a total investment of 383 billion ringgit ($87 billion).

Singapore’s high costs and property prices encouraged some companies to relocate to Iskandar, while JB’s shopping malls and amusement parks have become a favorite for day-tripping Singaporeans. In the old city center, young Malaysians hang out in cafes and ice cream parlors on hipster street Jalan Dhoby, where the inflow of new money is refurbishing the colonial-era shophouses.

Outside the city, swathes of palm-oil plantations separate isolated gated developments like Horizon Hills, a 1,200-acre township with an 18-hole golf course.

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“The Chinese developers see this as an opportunity. A lot of them say Iskandar is just like Shenzhen was 10 years ago,” said Jonathan Lo, manager of valuations at CH Williams Talhar & Wong, a property broker based in Johor Bahru. “Overseas investors coming to Malaysia is a new phenomenon so it’s hard to predict.”

Construction soon outpaced demand. To sell the hundreds of new units being built every month, some companies took to flying in planeloads of potential buyers from China, prompting low-cost carrier AirAsia Bhd. to start direct flights in May connecting JB with the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou.

On the first such flight, 150 of the 180 seats were taken by a subsidized tour group organized by Country Garden. Almost half of them ended up buying a residence, the developer said in an e-mail.

Buses disgorging Chinese tourists at Forest City in November were met by dozens of sales agents, with the women dressed in traditional Sarong Kebaya outfits similar to those worn by Singapore Airlines Ltd. stewardesses.

The visitors filed into a vast sales gallery where agents explained the enormity of the project using a replica of the finished town, with model buildings as tall as people. They viewed show flats with marble floors and golden-trimmed furniture, dined on a buffet spread and were encouraged to sign on the spot. A two-bedroom apartment cost as little as 1.25 million yuan ($181,400), about one-fifth of the price of a similar-sized private apartment in central Singapore.

But JB is not Shenzhen. The billions poured into the economic zone in southern Guangdong in the 1980s and 1990s by Hong Kong and Taiwanese firms was soon dwarfed by Chinese investment as factories sprang up all along China’s coast.

In Malaysia, investment growth is slowing, slipping to 2 percent year on year in the third quarter, from more than 6 percent in the previous quarter. The value of residential sales in Malaysia fell almost 11 percent last year, while in Johor the drop was 32 percent, according to government data.

“I am very concerned because the market is joined at the hip, if Johor goes down, the rest of Malaysia would follow,” said Shanker, at Axis-REIT Managers, who estimates that about half the units in Iskandar may remain empty. “If the developers stop building today, I think it would take 10 years for the condos to fill up the current supply. But they won’t stop.”

Property pipeline

Developers have a pipeline of more than 350,000 private homes planned or under construction in Johor state, according to data from Malaysia’s National Property Information Centre. That’s more than all the privately built homes in Singapore. Forest City could add another 160,000 over its 30-year construction period, according to Bloomberg estimates, based on the projected population.

“Land is plentiful and cheap,” said Alan Cheong, senior director of research & consultancy at Savills Singapore. “But buyers don’t understand how real estate values play out when there is no shortage of land.”

The developers haven’t been helped by government measures designed to prevent overseas investors pushing up prices. In 2014, Malaysia doubled the minimum price of homes that foreigners can buy to 1 million ringgit, and raised capital gains tax to as much as 30 per cent for most properties resold by foreigners within five years.

The stream of new developments has scared away some investors, pushing developers to concentrate more on finding families who will live in the apartments, said Lo at CH Williams. Profit margins have fallen to around 20 percent, from 30 percent when land was cheap a few years ago, according to his firm.

Singapore billionaire Peter Lim’s Rowsley Ltd. said last year it will no longer build homes in Iskandar and will instead turn its Vantage Bay site into a healthcare and wellness center.

“The Chinese players have deep financial resources and are building residential projects ahead of demand,” Ho Kiam Kheong, managing director of real estate at Rowsley said in an interview. “If we do residential in Iskandar, we would be only a drop in the ocean. We can’t compete with them on such a large scale.”

UEM Group Bhd., the biggest landowner in Iskandar, is selling plots to manufacturers to boost economic activity in the area.

“Industries are the queen bee,” creating jobs and wealth for local residents, said Chief Executive Officer Izzaddin Idris. “That will bring a demand for the houses we are building.”

U.S.-based chocolate maker Hershey Co. is among those building a plant in Iskandar, joining tenants such as amusement park Legoland Malaysia and Pinewood Iskandar Malaysia Studios—a franchise of the U.K.-based movie studio.

Meanwhile, sales reps sell a Utopian dream—a city of the future with smart, leafy buildings and offices full of happy, rich residents.

“It will take a while for all the parts to fall into place: infrastructure, manufacturing, education, healthcare and growth in population,” said Ho at Rowsley. “But I have no doubt it will happen eventually.”
 
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The new port hardly gives SG serious impacts in 20 years. In recent years, the global commercial shipping business are declining, for examples, Hanjin declared bankrupt two month ago. Singapore is prepared to envolve, when it meet challenges from mainland it can learn some experiences from Hongkong, haha
The problem is all the major ports in China forms an ally with all the 6 major ports with Malaysia, what the benefits of these ally in details is not clear yet. But I guess it mean something, and can be changed if necessary. Imaging if all the ships to Chinese has to choose Malaysia ports, what will happen?
Singapore has good economy, but it is tiny. moreover, its surrounding countries does not like it, partly because it is condescending to those countries.
Singapore's problem with China, when it talked business, it always shows that they are Chinese, When it goes to Politics, it says I am Singaporean. that is fine to some degree, but its position in American's recent game certainly makes Beijing angry. moreover, It has NO Lee GuangYao 李光耀 anymore, don't think Singapore can still be a great player in this big games. Lee GuangYao 李光耀 is truly unique!
 
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Singaporeans should be on alert if you continue to be counter China with a pro US policy, then you are losing oppurtunities with Chinese. China could spend billions just to make you feel difficult and shameful.
 
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Its true Chinese dominate Singapore. But is it fair to threaten Singapore? China has not done anything to protect the interest of SG anywhere in the past, but now wants SG in their pocket due to their new found wealth and development. Doesnt the Chinese members talk reek of sheer arrogance?
 
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Its true Chinese dominate Singapore. But is it fair to threaten Singapore? China has not done anything to protect the interest of SG anywhere in the past, but now wants SG in their pocket due to their new found wealth and development. Doesnt the Chinese members talk reek of sheer arrogance?
China is angry, of course. but threaten? doubtful. China is building ports, good for Malaysia, China. Arrogance? when SG is condescending to other countries arround, why did they think about arrogance!
 
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Its true Chinese dominate Singapore. But is it fair to threaten Singapore? China has not done anything to protect the interest of SG anywhere in the past, but now wants SG in their pocket due to their new found wealth and development. Doesnt the Chinese members talk reek of sheer arrogance?

So China investing in Malaysia is called threatening now? :eek:
 
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China is angry, of course. but threaten? doubtful. China is building ports, good for Malaysia, China. Arrogance? when SG is condescending to other countries arround, why did they think about arrogance!
So China investing in Malaysia is called threatening now? :eek:

I mentioned the attitude of Chinese members here. Go through the posts of your comrades threatening Singapore. They want SG to join them cos China is a rich country now. According to them.
 
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But Singaporeans believe in the common ideology of the west, that individualism trumps everything, and that one has their own right to change nationalities, and choose countries. Plus they also believe the supremacy of human rights and democracy.

I'm guessing you have never met a Singaporean person before in your life.

Or even read the first page of the Wikipedia article on the Singaporean political system.
 
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