$100 Billion Chinese-made city near Singapore ‘scares everybody’

[Djinn]

It is so disappointing that Singapore (despite largely being a part of the Sinosphere) is acting like they need the U.S in the region. The Japs massacred hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese in Singapore during ww2 with a young Lee Kuan Yew barely escaping. Yet they have a hostile and condescending attitude towards the mainland Chinese from whence they are descended and have cordial relations with Japan.

@Lux de Veritas

Where the fcuk are you? We need colorful people in theses forums and would like your Singaporean input here.

Eventually they all in Asa Pacific will have to accept the fact that China is way more relevant for them than US. Wonderful project by China at Mallaca.......While aiming to enhance Malaysian geo strategic significance will serve Chinese interests too.

 

[Beast]

It is so disappointing that Singapore (despite largely being a part of the Sinosphere) is acting like they need the U.S in the region. The Japs massacred hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese in Singapore during ww2 with a young Lee Kuan Yew barely escaping. Yet they have a hostile and condescending attitude towards the mainland Chinese from whence they are descended and have cordial relations with Japan.

@Lux de Veritas

Where the fcuk are you? We need colorful people in theses forums and would like your Singaporean input here.

I heard LKY work for the Japanese during occupation time. He has zero root with China except looking like a Chinese. His mother tongue is Malay and English.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

It is so disappointing that Singapore (despite largely being a part of the Sinosphere) is acting like they need the U.S in the region. The Japs massacred hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese in Singapore during ww2 with a young Lee Kuan Yew barely escaping. Yet they have a hostile and condescending attitude towards the mainland Chinese from whence they are descended and have cordial relations with Japan.

@Lux de Veritas

Where the fcuk are you? We need colorful people in theses forums and would like your Singaporean input here.

For this the Chinese must ask themselves. Singapore as a nation state has been built on the basis of support of pax britannia, and then later pax americana. It cherishes an ideological and support system revolving around the current status quo.

China was not there to help Singapore or Singaporeans when they were in trouble.

China only threatens to upset the apple cart that the Singaporeans have known for decades.


As I say, for China to thrive, it must understand the intricacies of soft power. China is zero at soft power.

I heard LKY work for the Japanese during occupation time. He has zero root with China except looking like a Chinese. His mother tongue is Malay and English.

Lol. He needs no affirmation, especially not from you, for his Chinese roots.

That Chinese have defied and betrayed China is not a new thing. Look no further than Hong Kong, and Taiwan for the current versions of major treacheries in play.

Or you want to say that Hongkongers and Taiwanese are also not Chinese?

PS- Coming to what I said before, China needs to learn the arts of soft power before being able to do anything.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I heard LKY work for the Japanese during occupation time. He has zero root with China except looking like a Chinese. His mother tongue is Malay and English.

Just looked it up, he did work for the Japanese as a translater!

On another note, Sook Ching massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching

"Officially Japan claims that fewer than 5,000 deaths occurred, while Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first prime minister, said "verifiable numbers would be about 70,000". In 1966 Japan agreed to pay S$50 million in compensation, half of which was a grant and the rest as a loan. They did not make an official apology."

If the Singaporeans let this go for a measly 25 million they have sold their honor for a pittance.

For this the Chinese must ask themselves. Singapore as a nation state has been built on the basis of support of pax britannia, and then later pax americana. It cherishes an ideological and support system revolving around the current status quo.

China was not there to help Singapore or Singaporeans when they were in trouble.

China only threatens to upset the apple cart that the Singaporeans have known for decades.


As I say, for China to thrive, it must understand the intricacies of soft power. China is zero at soft power.



Lol. He needs no affirmation, especially not from you, for his Chinese roots.

That Chinese have defied and betrayed China is not a new thing. Look no further than Hong Kong, and Taiwan for the current versions of major treacheries in play.

Or you want to say that Hongkongers and Taiwanese are also not Chinese?

PS- Coming to what I said before, China needs to learn the arts of soft power before being able to do anything.

Soft power is too loose and general a term. What about power through common ancestry and lineage. Common culture and language?

There are other ways to win the game. Just make a lot of money and everything will eventually fall into place.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Soft power is too loose and general a term. What about power through common ancestry and lineage. Common culture and language?

There are other ways to win the game. Just make a lot of money and everything will eventually fall into place.

Soft Power is the ability to get others to do stuff without exhausting any resource, be it economic, military, or diplomatic. It is influencing people.

See yes, there is common ancestry between Singaporeans and Chinese. But Singaporeans believe in the common ideology of the west, that individualism trumps everything, and that one has their own right to change nationalities, and choose countries. Plus they also believe the supremacy of human rights and democracy.

When one is born and raised in that ideology, his/her common ancestry with Chinese means nothing infront of his/her duty to Singapore, liberal world order, etc.

Just looked it up, he did work for the Japanese as a translater!

On another note, Sook Ching massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching

"Officially Japan claims that fewer than 5,000 deaths occurred, while Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first prime minister, said "verifiable numbers would be about 70,000". In 1966 Japan agreed to pay S$50 million in compensation, half of which was a grant and the rest as a loan. They did not make an official apology."

If the Singaporeans let this go for a measly 25 million they have sold their honor for a pittance.



Soft power is too loose and general a term. What about power through common ancestry and lineage. Common culture and language?

There are other ways to win the game. Just make a lot of money and everything will eventually fall into place.

There is a limit to money, or you will have to drown in money to influence everyone.

If China has an economy that is half the world economy, and 4 times that of the United States, then perhaps money will shut everything up. But that is not likely to be the case. China's economy is already slowing, and once it reaches US economy, it will be very hard to keep growing. (Given, that China is decreasing its population. That is why I recommend a high population for China)

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Soft Power is the ability to get others to do stuff without exhausting any resource, be it economic, military, or diplomatic. It is influencing people.

See yes, there is common ancestry between Singaporeans and Chinese. But Singaporeans believe in the common ideology of the west, that individualism trumps everything, and that one has their own right to change nationalities, and choose countries. Plus they also believe the supremacy of human rights and democracy.

When one is born and raised in that ideology, his/her common ancestry with Chinese means nothing infront of his/her duty to Singapore, liberal world order, etc.

You dont know shit about the Singaporeans. Their democracy is a sham and they are a authoritarian administration. Which is fine.

Singapore follows the money and a prosperous China will see Singapore align to the PRC in time.

Ever play the old SNES game 'Jones in the fast lane'? Just keep making money and everything falls into place.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

You dont know shit about the Singaporeans. Their democracy is a sham and they are a authoritarian administration. Which is fine.

Singapore follows the money and a prosperous China will see Singapore align to the PRC in time.

Ever play the old SNES game 'Jones in the fast lane'? Just keep making money and everything falls into place.

How is their democracy is a sham when regular elections are held, and the result of those elections determine executive posts?

What about their civil rights? They seem to have quite a high degree of freedom of expression and other basic civil liberties.


See, China has to worry not only about US. It has to worry about the west (US + Europe + Canada + Australia) and Japan+India.

This is due to unique place of China in world affairs, isolated due to ideology and political system.

To trump them all, China must compete against NOT US, but the west+Japan+India.

Right now, all indications seem to suggest that China is not doing that. It is decreasing its population! There is a limit to how much a single individual will be able to give in terms of economic output.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

How is their democracy is a sham when regular elections are held, and the result of those elections determine executive posts?

What about their civil rights? They seem to have quite a high degree of freedom of expression and other basic civil liberties.


See, China has to worry not only about US. It has to worry about the west (US + Europe + Canada + Australia) and Japan+India.

This is due to unique place of China in world affairs, isolated due to ideology and political system.

To trump them all, China must compete against NOT US, but the west+Japan+India.

Right now, all indications seem to suggest that China is not doing that. It is decreasing its population! There is a limit to how much a single individual will be able to give in terms of economic output.

Here we go again, the population nonsense you keep droning on about.

One word is all I need to counter your argument.

INDIA

Make of it what you will

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Here we go again, the population nonsense you keep droning on about.

One word is all I need to counter your argument.

INDIA

Make of it what you will

What India? India is a massive country with a continuously growing GDP. What about it?

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

What India? India is a massive country with a continuously growing GDP. What about it?

Are we talking about the same India? the real one or the fictional one invented by delusional Indian elite?

 

[Beast]

For this the Chinese must ask themselves. Singapore as a nation state has been built on the basis of support of pax britannia, and then later pax americana. It cherishes an ideological and support system revolving around the current status quo.

China was not there to help Singapore or Singaporeans when they were in trouble.

China only threatens to upset the apple cart that the Singaporeans have known for decades.


As I say, for China to thrive, it must understand the intricacies of soft power. China is zero at soft power.



Lol. He needs no affirmation, especially not from you, for his Chinese roots.

That Chinese have defied and betrayed China is not a new thing. Look no further than Hong Kong, and Taiwan for the current versions of major treacheries in play.

Or you want to say that Hongkongers and Taiwanese are also not Chinese?

PS- Coming to what I said before, China needs to learn the arts of soft power before being able to do anything.

Of cos, you are selective choosing your data to present what you want to present to readers for your agenda.

https://www.wionews.com/world/thousands-attend-pro-beijing-rally-in-hong-kong-8747

What has HongKonger do to mainland China?

Even Taiwan has soften their stance towards mainland China and more away from their newly elected Taiwanese president stance. Taiwan president so far has no say anything about isolating from mainland China.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/chin...an-tourism-suffering-amid-one-china-spat.html

Singapore is playing with fire and its policy is control solely by Lee family and not the majority wish.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Are we talking about the same India? the real one or the fictional one invented by delusional Indian elite?

The same India, a country of 2 trillion dollars economy, growing at 7+ % real rate annually, with millions out of poverty, and millions set to come out in future.

India is slightly behind China, doesn't mean that it will always remain so.

Of cos, you are selective choosing your data to present what you want to present to readers for your agenda.

https://www.wionews.com/world/thousands-attend-pro-beijing-rally-in-hong-kong-8747

What has HongKonger do to mainland China?

Even Taiwan has soften their stance towards mainland China and more away from their newly elected Taiwanese president stance. Taiwan president so far has no say anything about isolating from mainland China.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/chin...an-tourism-suffering-amid-one-china-spat.html

Singapore is playing with fire and its policy is control solely by Lee family and not the majority wish.

It is you who are choosing facts selectively.

Over half of Taiwanese favor Independence:
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/afav/201605270005.aspx

One in Six support independence from China (in Hong Kong) :
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-china-survey-idUSKCN1050GT


I am a well wisher of China, and I despise these people, but not facing reality is even more dangerous.

 

[Beast]

The same India, a country of 2 trillion dollars economy, growing at 7+ % real rate annually, with millions out of poverty, and millions set to come out in future.

India is slightly behind China, doesn't mean that it will always remain so.




It is you who are choosing facts selectively.

Over half of Taiwanese favor Independence:
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/afav/201605270005.aspx

One in Six support independence from China (in Hong Kong) :
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-china-survey-idUSKCN1050GT


I am a well wisher of China, and I despise these people, but not facing reality is even more dangerous.

Why not you quote from CNN and that once again show your selective posting and suit your agenda?

 

[Shotgunner51]

Members, please stay on topic.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

You dont know shit about the Singaporeans. Their democracy is a sham and they are a authoritarian administration. Which is fine.

Singapore follows the money and a prosperous China will see Singapore align to the PRC in time.

Ever play the old SNES game 'Jones in the fast lane'? Just keep making money and everything falls into place.

This post is correct. We are a democracy in name only.

The time will come when our country has to make a decision.