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10 countries led by UK seeks to end technological reliance on China.

The world can come 40 years back to live without China. Not to mention Chinese tech, Africa can go back to the time without Internet and mobiphone. Same to India. Even richer countries like the US will struggle and one mobiphone can cost $5000. Moat of Western giants, including tech, auto, machine and equipment manufacturers, may collapse and never revive.
India (with 1.4 billion population) being the biggest country but the weakest link and depending on those 9 nations (with combined less people than India) is a bigger embarrassment than Pakistan (200 million people) getting help from China (1.4 billion)

poor countries will be saved from enslavement of china , they won't be forced to surrender their lands to china as srilanka was forced to give it's port humbantota after failing to pay heavy debt trap of china .
 
UK badly lags in 5G R&D and here it is wanting to form a coalition of useless countries including the biggest beggar on the planet india. It is "Blind leading the blinds" what can go wrong! :omghaha:

Only the leaders can dictate protocols and Rules of the technological leadership, and China is the 5G leader with US in distant 2nd spot. UK doesn't even count. :lol:
 
UK badly lags in 5G R&D and here it is wanting to form a coalition of useless countries including the biggest beggar on the planet india. It is "Blind leading the blinds" what can go wrong! :omghaha:

Only the leaders can dictate protocols and Rules of the technological leadership, and China is the 5G leader with US in distant 2nd spot. UK doesn't even count. :lol:

chinese copy everything from america .
 
It will take years to catch up and by then Huawei will be on 7G

Seriously. I think a lot of people think this is sarcastic but it will probably end up being true. Odds are by the time 5G becomes mainstream, Huawei will already have turned 7G online.

Everything China has is stolen or copied from the West.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. West is copying China now.

A man does not fear someone who copies them, a man fears someone who can innovate better than them. The panic in the West about China was in the making for decades and now China is finally unsheathing its sword. For America, the day of reckoning has arrived.
 
The problem with this proposal is that China's domestic market for 4G stations is account for roughly 2/3 of the world, which means China along, has the 4G stations about 2X of the entire rest world.

And the ratio is likely to be maintained in the case of 5G, actually most likely expanding due to the late adoption of 5G of the rest world.

So basically you cannot beat China or Huawei is this particular case, in the field of 5G, at best you can keep your 5% or so market pie, and that's about it.
 
poor countries will be saved from enslavement of china , they won't be forced to surrender their lands to china as srilanka was forced to give it's port humbantota after failing to pay heavy debt trap of china .
India just didnt have in it to get any port or lease except chabahar which they want it to incircle Pakistan, whats wrong if China is doing the same thing.
one enemy and one best friend is better than living with 2 enemies. i believe india consider nepal as half threat aswell.
 
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New Delhi: The United Kingdom is pursuing an alliance of ten democracies in order to create an alternative pool of 5G equipment and technologies to avoid reliance on China and especially its telecom giant Huawei, reported UK daily The Times.

Dubbed as the D10 alliance, it would include India, Australia, and South Korea, in addition to G7 countries, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, Italy, the US, and the UK.

This comes just months after British Prime Minister Boris Johnson granted Huawei a limited role in supplying kits for the UK’s 5G networks and capped its market share to 35 per cent. Back then, the UK was one of those who stood out in the face of a US-led drive to ban Huawei from entering the 5G sector.


But by the third week of May, the Johnson government came under increasing pressure from its own Conservative party members, who demanded that Huawei’s equipment should not be allowed in UK’s 5G networks beyond 2023, owing to potential national security concerns.

Following these demands, reports emerged the government was drawing up a plan to phase out Huawei from UK’s 5G networks in the next three years. Last week, a review was launched by the country’s intelligence chiefs, who would look into Huawei’s role in UK’s 5G plans.

UK’s alliance meant to marginalise China
The UK government has already approached Washington about its plan to form the D10 alliance and briefed them about the possible ways to go about it.

Explaining why the UK had initially allowed Huawei, a source in Whitehall told The Times, “We need new entrants to the market. That was the reason we ended up having to go along with Huawei at the time.”

The key thrust behind this alliance is to allow more and more 5G equipment and technology providers to come up. At the same time, ensure that these new entrants belong to like-minded democratic regimes, thus alleviating any security concerns.

“One option would see the club channel investment to technology companies based within its member states. Nokia and Ericsson are the only European suppliers of 5G infrastructure and experts say that they cannot provide 5G kit as quickly or as cheaply as Huawei,” stated the report in The Times.

The plan to form a democratic alliance in order to marginalise the Chinese tech giant Huawei comes at a time when there is rising global backlash against China for its initial handling of the coronavirus outbreak. There is also growing consensus among the British political class regarding resetting relations with Beijing, following the global pandemic and the havoc it has caused in the UK.

Moreover, there has been a concerted effort by the US and several other countries to keep Huawei away from their countries’ 5G networks. These countries have raised concerns regarding potential surveillance and breach of their national security by China using the state-run Huawei.

US sanctions against Huawei & UK intelligence review
Earlier this month, the US government announced its decision to impose more sanctions against Huawei, doubling down its effort to marginalise the Chinese state-owned tech giant. The new round of sanction, which is set to be introduced in September, would restrict Huawei from using US-produced software and semiconductors in the manufacturing of 5G equipment.

This would force Huawei to seek semiconductors and software from alternative sources.

Following this announcement, the British government decided to launch an emergency review into how these sanctions would affect Huawei’s ability to supply 5G technology to the UK. The review being conducted by the UK’s National Cyber Security Centre is expected to conclude that the US’s sanctions would make it impossible for the UK to use Huawei’s 5G technology.

“Whitehall sources said the threatened US restrictions meant that any review would almost certainly say that Huawei posed a security risk. A particular concern was that Huawei would become reliant on unfamiliar and untested components, which could be exploited,” noted a report in The Guardian.

Meanwhile, Huawei has denied all the allegations made by the US and other countries, and said the US ban would “damage the trust and collaboration within the global semiconductor industry”.

https://theprint.in/world/uk-wants-...a-to-avoid-reliance-on-chinese-huawei/431735/
I will say, don't get into this trap.
Britain plays weired games.
At one side, they are providing China with latest processors tech. On the other hands, they are making these alliances.
I simply don't understand what is the actual goal of Britain? Really puzzled.
May be, they want to eat everything, alone. Not sure though.
 
India just didnt have in it to get any port or lease except chabahar which they want it to incircle Pakistan, whats wrong if China is doing the same thing.
one enemy and one best friend is better than living with 2 enemies. i believe india consider nepal as half threat aswell.

indian navy has access to duqam port in oman to ensure safety of oman in gulf region .

china purposely invests in projects at such terms by bribing corrupt heads of poor nations that they end up surrendering the piece of land to china , this is happening with poor nations , it will happen with pakistan also , no employment for pakistani people in construction of cpec project , all chinese are working in construction , chinese vehicles are free from toll tax .
 
I will say, don't get into this trap.
Britain plays weired games.
At one side, they are providing China with latest processors tech. On the other hands, they are making these alliances.
I simply don't understand what is the actual goal of Britain? Really puzzled.
May be, they want to eat everything, alone. Not sure though.

ARM is not a processor design, it is an instruction set architecture (ISA). It's essentially a proprietary standard, not a specific technology.
 
ARM is not a processor design, it is an instruction set architecture (ISA). It's essentially a proprietary standard, not a specific technology.
But its not open-source, so it's definitely a commercial product.
And BTW, it's my profession, so I actually know what I saying.
 
But its not open-source, so it's definitely a commercial product.
And BTW, it's my profession, so I actually know what I saying.

Yes, it is closed source, but that doesn't mean it is irreplacable. it can be substituted with open source alternatives such as RISC-V. in addition, many companies have already purchased a permanent license to certain ARM standards.

If you indeed work in this area and you stand by your statement that it is indeed a key, irreplacable processor technology - how come Britain doesn't have any fabless design companies working around ARM to capture more of the value chain?
 

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