10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

[Mohsin A]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272850050583060481

Watch out for Indian media reporting a string of accidents in which it's soldiers have been killed. Truth is, PLA ripped them a new arsehole yesterday and as always Godi media is underestimating their causalities. Absolutely love it! Get the pop-corn ready because PLA will continue until it gets what it wants WITHOUT retreat! CPEC will succeed at ALL COSTS! So Randia should listen to Xi Ji Ping and create an atmosphere of unity in South Asia rather than be a Israel/USA Bitch. If not, prepare to face the music from the surrounding countries.

 

[American Pakistani]

For me the million dollar question is: why almost all neighbouring countires are unhappy with current indian regime & policy ?

Because the artificial British creation want to bully and gobble up neighbors territories.

India is a threat to world's peace. The sooner it is disintegrated the better for humanity.

 

[Protest_again]

You stand exposed.
Your double standards are plain to see.
You are a paper tiger.

Sure. Why not show us you are not? Kashmir is right next fo your country. Lol.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Let's go all Bollywood on this gents. Enter da dragon .... watch how the Indian colonel and his soldiers went down ... !

 

[Cash GK]

Indian media said they were killed in hand-to-hand combat LOL

You mean kun fu

 

[Dark1]

@Joe Shearer if you dont mind me asking that in past indian governments have balanced relationship with china. what events happened that make chinese so aggressive with india??

Wrong. Chinese have been creeping forward since 50s. But India had few options because of very weak economy. Time has changed now.

 

[koolio]

Okay then. Stay tuned for false hopes and red herrings.

- PRTP GWD

You have said it too soon, dont embarrass yourself anyway RIP to the dead.

 

[Longhorn]

Sure. Why not show us you are not? Kashmir is right next fo your country. Lol.

So is Gilgit Baltistan

 

[Protest_again]

So is Gilgit Baltistan

You already declared us paper tigers, so welcome to the club. Lol.

 

[Dark1]

2nd army statement anytime now.

 

[Zohair Alam]

2 PM which day? It's already 6 PM in India now.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Shahzade,

We need to take a detached view.... understandable the PakPosters reacting here as they do...since, we have been subjected to daily onsluaght of MightyIndianness .... and whatnotz... regardless...

Let us first build a picture based on available informaiton-

The Start:

The PLA moves in large numbers in different points accross the LAC... and more consolidated in Ladakh... Finger4 is now ChineseFinger!

There was practically a studied silence from the Chinese side...and the Indian side was quiet as a grave.... letting known through selected mouthpieces that there was NO Incursion in IndianOccupiedLadakh...and that it was just differing Perception of LAC....

Here on PDF we have countless threads to this effect...

The Middle:

We saw different AsocialMedia claims and counter-claims... with some OpenSourceIntel handle showing one or the other...

The PLA started their high altitude exercies in Tibet... also, showed alot of equipment and troops joining the 'exercises' ... the very Chinese way of Speaking without words...

There were talks held at the place which is under the PLA control...with military protocal employed to demonstrate displeasure i.e. senior IA officer meeting his counterpart one rank junior to himself... IA officer was also made to wait... the meeting was at the Request of the Indians....

Then whishpers of Diplomatic n Peaceful resolution of the 'dispute' emerged from the Indian side...which were echoed by the Chinese...

We saw the lynching of a single Chinese Solider at the hands of Indian troops... him being pushed under the riot-shield ...Indian troops excited... trying to smash the headlight of an armoured vehicle...

The next day the Chinese released picture of Indian troops tied up and 'provided care' by the PLA... with storyline that they fell from the hills and luckily the PLA was there to take-care of them... Framing!

The Indians also move equipment and troops to the front...and showed it via AsocialMedia... at least what I saw here on PDF... but Quiet as a Grave ModiRegime kept the Omerta Oath...

The BiggestDeomcracy Song... well, IndiaMoD gagged the IndianMedia about reporting ... 'heating up things' ...

Some reports of CAPs from both sides... so fair to conclude some level of aerial activity there....

The the Indian DM spoke to media... dropping slight hints of the ChineseIncursion in typical PoliticalDoubleSpeak.... adding that through Peaceful means ....

Then another Modi minister proclaimed peaceful nature of India adding that India doesn't lust after lands of its neighbours and wants Peace!

Then we hand the same Indian MD ... that India will stand firm in the standoff....

NOW:

IndianArmy offically claims that an high ranking officer and two soldiers are dead... and it did add that there are casualities on the Chinese side... it is probable...

Only question would be what were the instruements of engagement that caused deaths/casualities on both side?

Sticks n Stone?
Or something more 19th/20th Century?

Mr. Shukla is claiming that there are massive casualities...so far he has been sticking his neckout... please, remember that he is as much IndianNationalist as any RSSrz.... if not more!!!

Intial assessment is the manner of Framing this incidence..

As I tried to convey earlier...the Chinese have been consistent in Framing that the IndianTroops illegally entered the Chinese territory ...and that India must stop its agressive behaviour... Peace n Harmony would be better.

The manner and scope of the PLA liberating parts of Ladakh and subsequent demands from ModiRegime to nullify the paper exercise of annexation of IoJK...for them Ladakh matters... proves that the PRC had planned this sometime back and its wasn't some locoal commander getting adventurous... such things don't happen in PLA....anyhow, not at such a scale!!!

Since, the IndianArmy has officially accepted the losses..this means some de-escalation needs to happen and Indians will be pushing for that...

Why?

Because, if the Indians were serious in taking back the Liberated parts of Ladakh it would have done airstrikes already... and not given the PLA time to amass troops near the LAC...

CrystalBallGazing.... one should avoid it... a small miscalculation from either side will result in a far bigger clash than 1962... with enormus price in men, material and political prestige!

Simply, because a loosing side will be out of The Greatest Game in Town!

The Stakes are NOT tactical but Strategic and ThirdActor related.... look at the MAP!

For now, from PakPerspective it is wisest to remain a DetachedStudent and keep very close feedback-loop with the Chinese...

What is Material Fact that the PLA has Changed Facts on the Ground... and Indians have defacto accepted some of those Facts...and not the other...and that is what this Peaceful Talks is all about!

Mangus

@Signalian @PanzerKiel @PakSword @RescueRanger @jaibi @BHarwana @Foxtrot Alpha @Blacklight @Slav Defence

Meanwhile LAC at Arunachal Pradesh is quiet, and in Kashmir, what's going on?

- PRTP GWD

 

[vi-va]

For me the million dollar question is: why almost all neighbouring countires are unhappy with current indian regime & policy ?

Because BJP, RSS and Modi 56 inch Chest Thumping.

 

[Zohair Alam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272850050583060481

Watch out for Indian media reporting a string of accidents in which it's soldiers have been killed. Truth is, PLA ripped them a new arsehole yesterday and as always Godi media is underestimating their causalities. Absolutely love it! Get the pop-corn ready because PLA will continue until it gets what it wants WITHOUT retreat! CPEC will succeed at ALL COSTS! So Randia should listen to Xi Ji Ping and create an atmosphere of unity in South Asia rather than be a Israel/USA Bitch. If not, prepare to face the music from the surrounding countries.

Remember the ol' rule?

Divide your loss by 10. Multiply of the enemy by a factor of 4.

Works every time!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Quite simply it is what I have said before. I repeat: this is a drama made up by China to relieve the regime of tension created by a number of internal dissensions, due to the lack of transparency about the management of the virus cases within China, due to increasing international criticism over China's role in the pandemic going on, due to tensions over the increasing intransigence of Taiwan, due to tensions about their failure to dominate the US in the South China Sea, and due to Indian moves to link up with other nations critical of China, such as Australia, to give Taiwan more prominence than before the 50s, and to continue to refuse to collaborate with China on its economic expansion measures, not to mention openly seeking to be an alternative to China for nations wishful of outsourcing their production.

This was bound to happen, either with us or elsewhere. The Chinese leadership is seeking a distraction, and it has created one.

Unfortunately, since we ourselves have an incompetent leadership, that thinks at abysmally limited levels of intelligence, the coming together of pinpricks by the Pakistan Army on the LOC, the sudden creation of a border issue where none existed with Nepal, and the expansion of military strength in Ladakh were not seen as a concerted move to create pressure on India.

Since 1967, there has been no gunfire on the boundaries between Chinese and Indian troops. It is unlikely, improbable that there will be any now. However, there will be provocation, there will be propaganda, and there will be loud criticism from Chinese allies put up to be provocative as well.

I expect that tension will increase until China obtains some kind of concession, but tension will increase only up to a point. If there is simply nothing to be gained, and China senses it, there will be a settlement, and allied elements will be informed that the settlement is entirely in China's favour, just as they were told in the case of Doklam, and presumably with the same results as in that case: these allies will overlook the original point of contention, and agree whole-heartedly with the Chinese explanation that a settlement is a brilliantly disguised Chinese victory.

There is a very small chance that actual fighting will break out. If it does, then we have to see what we have to see. Sabre-rattling does not lead to military advantage; for that matter, neither does the apish behaviour demonstrated on this forum by some members.

I hope that this adequately covers conveys my understanding of the situation.

So , the rhetoric that Chinese are not occupying any Indian territory specially in Galwan sector is still on?

Since Indians love their item songs, this will help in educating the Indian masses as to what is going on in LAC.

American whimpers are not even heard. Very awkward situation for Indian establishment.