10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

[PakSword]

Global times not coming slow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273367387321049089

 

[Musings]

India surely how to deal each one of them.
And will do it .

We will decide the course of action.

Not deciding very well are you? We saw that clearly yesterday - instead of talking sense and looking for de escalation - internet global warriors think they can beat China to a pulp.
Never seen such a delusional bunch in my life. Hope it’s just limited in the internet and not real life because you guys are in for a hell of a wake up of it gets even more serious..... won’t have enough body bags I’m afraid.

 

[Gul_Khan_Peshawar]

India surely how to deal each one of them.
And will do it .

We will decide the course of action.

Bhai koi isko pani pilao, yeh larka bohat ghussay mey lag raha hey.

 

[aziqbal]

Yes, they did. They used rods with nails to beat the pulp out of the Indians. This was a savage killing. Close up and personal.

Medieval fight to the death at the top of the world: Soldiers were impaled with iron rods, thrown off cliffs and left to freeze to death in border brawl between nuclear-armed India and China that killed up to 70 troops

• The fighting that killed up to 20 Indian soldiers and injured or killed at least 43 Chinese has shocked the world and led to fears of increased tensions between the two nuclear-armed countries

very rough indeed

but why this way, surely a bullet would be easier ?

I dont understand how neither had a gun or any other military weapon ? and this went for for 8 hours ?

 

[Sound Barrier]

I don't think Pakistan is gonna jump in this, because of the following reasons:

1. Saudi, US, etc. won't allow you guys.
2. Due to Covid19 and otherwise also, your economy is not in a state to get into a war with India.
3. If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

But of course it's 2020 and I maybe totally wrong.

 

[In arduis fidelis]

I don't think Pakistan is gonna jump in this, because of the following reasons:

1. Saudi, US, etc. won't allow you guys.
2. Due to Covid19 and otherwise also, your economy is not in a state to get into a war with India.
3. If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

But of course it's 2020 and I maybe totally wrong.

Not much of a choice left for us when your army starts shelling and killing Civilians on our side.

 

[Norwegian]

If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

Lol. Imran Khan ordered to shoot down your Abhinandan

 

[doorstar]

Global times not coming slow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273367387321049089

globaltimes.cn
China urges India to investigate border incident
Global Times



China urges India to investigate border incident
By Yang Sheng and Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/6/17 22:23:40 Last Updated: 2020/6/17 22:43:40

India’s heavy casualties show military vulnerability: expert

Photo: Xinhua

China demands that India carry out a thorough investigation into the incident, severely punish those who should be held accountable, strictly discipline Indian frontline troops, and immediately stop all provocative actions so as to ensure that such incidents do not happen again, Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi told the Indian foreign minister during a phone call on Wednesday regarding the Monday border confrontation that caused casualties on both sides in the Galwan Valley.

Under the circumstance that the current situation in the Galwan Valley has eased, the Indian troops once again crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC) for deliberate provocation, and even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went to the terrain for negotiation, Wang said to Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry's website.

"The hazardous move of the Indian army severely violated the agreement reached between the two countries on the border issue and the basic norms of international relations," Wang said.

India must ensure that such incidents do not happen again. India must not misjudge the current situation, or underestimate China's firm will to safeguard its territorial sovereignty.

The Indian foreign minister said India would like to ease the border tension through peaceful dialogue with China. Wang stressed that China and India, both emerging powers with a population of over 1 billion, bear the historic mission of accelerating their own development and rejuvenation. Hence, acts of mutual respect and mutual support are on the right track and conform to the long-term interests of both countries.

Chinese analysts noted that from the phone call between the top diplomats of the two countries, China showed its sincerity to ease tension and also sent tough signals and showed its firm stance on safeguarding its principle and bottom line, which means that whether India chooses to ease or escalate tensions, China is fully prepared.

Unlikely to escalate

The China-India border confrontation that caused the deaths of 20 Indian military personnel will not escalate as the two sides share a consensus to solve the issue through communication, and if India cannot control its military forces in the border region, it would pay a heavy price as its economy has been damaged by COVID-19 and its undeveloped military power makes it incapable of escalating tension with China, Chinese analysts said.

The incident was very clear as it took place on the Chinese side of the LAC, and the responsibility does not lie with China, Zhao Lijian, spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, made the remarks at Wednesday's media briefing in response to questions raised on whether diplomats or military officers of the two sides were involved in resolving the issue.

Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Wednesday that China has no intention to change the border situation at all, and the incident happened on the Chinese side of the LAC, so the confrontation causing the deaths of 20 Indian military personnel was entirely provoked by the Indian side.

Currently, India is facing heavy domestic pressure as its unsuccessful measures to handle the coronavirus has brought huge damage to its economy, so it needs to make moves against its neighbors, to distract domestic attention and incite nationalism to reinforce Modi'sapproval rating, Hu noted.

US multinational investment bank Goldman Sachs predicts that the Indian economy will experience a recession after its already weakened state was further dragged down by the nationwide lockdown to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. This is the third time that Goldman Sachs has slashed its forecast for India's economic growth in 2020-21, CNBC reported in May.

Hu said India has engaged in border disputes with China, Pakistan and Nepal at the same time. As Pakistan is a reliable strategic partner of China, and Nepal also has close ties with China, and both of them are key partners under the China-proposed Belt and Road Initiative, if India escalates border tensions, it could face military pressure from two or even three fronts, which is far beyond India's military capability and this might lead to a disastrous defeat for India.

And a defeat right now would be disastrous as rising Hindu nationalism will not accept such a failed outcome and the Modi administration will lose power, Hu said. He noted that Indian policymakers should not miscalculate the situation as some of them believe that the worsening China-US ties would provide a chance for India to challenge China, because India is not an important topic for neither China nor the US.

Chinese experts noted that the Modi administration should control pro-US forces in India, as unwise movements to provoke China could bring about serious consequences.

Limited power

According to the number of casualties released by India, observers noted that this is the most severe border confrontation that China and India have experienced in decades, and the best choice for India is to cease provocations and settle down tensions with China through dialogue as soon as possible, and not miscalculate the situation just like what it did in 1962.

When addressing questions about Chinese casualties, Zhao didn't answer the question directly instead he said that border troops are jointly resolving the issue on the ground, and the overall situation at the China-India border remains stable.

A military expert at a Beijing-based military academy who requested anonymity told the Global Times that the reason behind China not releasing the number of casualties is that China does not want people in the two countries to get further impacted, as any comparison of casualties could incite nationalist sentiment on both sides, and such an event is totally unhelpful for the two to ease tensions.

"In other words, if Indian nationalists see the number of fatalities and find out that the Indian military lost more soldiers than China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) did, then the Modi administration and the Indian military would be under huge pressure to escalate and continue their provocations. So staying silent regarding this matter is very wise," he remarked.

Hu said the reason why India released the number of deaths is to gain sympathy from the international community, but at this moment, all major Western powers are busy handling their domestic problems such as nationwide riots and the pandemic, so no one would and could provide concrete support to India.

A PLA veteran who has experience conducting missions in plateau regions told the Global Times anonymously on Wednesday that freezing temperatures and altitude stress are indeed challenges for high-altitude operations, but 17 Indian soldiers having died after a violent encounter with no shots fired indicates their physical conditions were not fit for deployment to such a harsh environment.

It also showed the lackluster medical and logistics capabilities India has on the frontline. If treated quickly and properly, they would not have died, the veteran said. They might not have access to a qualified field hospital, and not have rapid transportation means, oxygen bags, or even warm clothes, the veteran said.

These details show that Indian troops' combat capabilities are limited, the veteran concluded.

Chinese and Indian border defense troops have a tacit understanding of not carrying lethal weapons and bullets, which is a precautionary measure aimed at preventing the escalation of any conflict, a source familiar with the matter told the Global Times under the condition of anonymity.

This tradition shows that China and India have always kept a clear and careful outlook, that even if such a violent encounter occurs, it should remain small-scale and controllable rather than an intensive one with gunfire that is bound to lead to more deaths, analysts said.

The PLA recently conducted a series of military drills in the plateau regions of Tibet bordering India. Some experts said this could also be a signal that Chinese military forces are preparing for the worst case scenario despite the two sides having agreed to solve the problem through negotiation.

 

[PakSword]

I don't think Pakistan is gonna jump in this, because of the following reasons:

1. Saudi, US, etc. won't allow you guys.
2. Due to Covid19 and otherwise also, your economy is not in a state to get into a war with India.
3. If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

But of course it's 2020 and I maybe totally wrong.

If a war breaks out between China and India, China will not need any outside support. India is too weak for China now. So Pakistan doesn't even need to jump in. However, if an opportunity arises, Pakistan will happily jump in.

For now, your days of peaceful skirmishes on northern border are over. You have to focus on both the borders simultaneously. Any front you open, you will find yourselves equal (if not inferior) in the contest. If you open both fronts.. well I don't even need to tell you what you should be expecting.

 

[Figaro]

I think this Global Times article sums it up very well on why China isn't going to release any casualty numbers. I think this source is probably the most reliable regarding Chinese casualty numbers ...

A military expert at a Beijing-based military academy who requested anonymity told the Global Times that the reason behind China not releasing the number of casualties is that China does not want people in the two countries to get further impacted, as any comparison of casualties could incite nationalist sentiment on both sides, and such an event is totally unhelpful for the two to ease tensions.

"In other words, if Indian nationalists see the number of fatalities and find out that the Indian military lost more soldiers than China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) did, then the Modi administration and the Indian military would be under huge pressure to escalate and continue their provocations. So staying silent regarding this matter is very wise," he remarked.

Hu said the reason why India released the number of deaths is to gain sympathy from the international community, but at this moment, all major Western powers are busy handling their domestic problems such as nationwide riots and the pandemic, so no one would and could provide concrete support to India.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191969.shtml

 

[truthseeker2010]

I don't think Pakistan is gonna jump in this, because of the following reasons:

1. Saudi, US, etc. won't allow you guys.
2. Due to Covid19 and otherwise also, your economy is not in a state to get into a war with India.
3. If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

But of course it's 2020 and I maybe totally wrong.

Pak won't jump but if annoyed by india, it won't stop bcoz of china, and than all the rest of things you mentioned become null and void.

 

[Sound Barrier]

Not much of a choice left for us when your army starts shelling and killing Civilians on our side.

That happens on our side as well. And that will continue. But it's on LOC and would be limited to LOC only. Don't really see Pakistan unnecessarily meddling in our affairs at the LAC.

 

[Aspen]

I don't think Pakistan is gonna jump in this, because of the following reasons:

1. Saudi, US, etc. won't allow you guys.
2. Due to Covid19 and otherwise also, your economy is not in a state to get into a war with India.
3. If Imran really has control over Pakistan and its military then he will not go for it, because he isn't a war mongering types.

But of course it's 2020 and I maybe totally wrong.

1. US has its own problems right now
2. Pakistan is always ready for a war with India
3. That is up to IK

Chinese are wasting their energies on the wrong nation. Indians take wish for peace as a sign of weakness. Should have learned it from our experience.

No, China should spank this rapid dog India and teach them a lesson

 

[Green Arrow]

 

[kingQamaR]

That happens on our side as well. And that will continue. But it's on LOC and would be limited to LOC only. Don't really see Pakistan unnecessarily meddling in our affairs at the LAC.

Occupied indian kashmir is not your affair China & Pakistan are now making it clear to all area is fully disputed. As your clobbered soldiers found out